Originally posted by Time Immemorial
l'll have to find the book and upload it tomorrow while he was in the Rockafeller research facility.Till then, what do you consider his mars feat then? And how do you understand what he did iyo?
Of course you do, we've had this debate for how long and youve produced what...zero scans?
Anyway
He manipulated the matter that was present, similar to the way sandman manipulates sand or iceman ice. I dont recall him transmuting anything. I remember him saying he could but characters say alotta shit they cant do.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Of course you do, we've had this debate for how long and youve produced what...zero scans?Anyway
He manipulated the matter that was present, similar to the way sandman manipulates sand or iceman ice. I dont recall him transmuting anything. I remember him saying he could but characters say alotta shit they cant do.
Im actually in the middle of a move, and all my comics and books are stashed in a box somewhere among the other 50 boxes..
Sand or Iceman manipulate their perspective elements, but do they combine elements and make solid buildings. DM does not have a specific element he has to stick to like sandman or iceman.
The mars feat was him making a structure from nothing.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Im actually in the middle of a move, and all my comics and books are stashed in a box somewhere among the other 50 boxes..Sand or Iceman manipulate their perspective elements, but do they combine elements and make solid buildings. DM does not have a specific element he has to stick to like sandman or iceman.
The mars feat was him making a structure from nothing.
You're worse than carver. I was giving you examples. Matter manipulation is a broad term it could mean manipulation of a single element or multiple. Iceman CAN create animated structures as intricate as the one Manhattan created. Surfer can manipulate a wide array of elements to achieve a desired effect. Reality warping was not within Manhattans powerset, otherwise he'd have warped reality so that the monster never attacked. Manhattan showed limitations, whether self imposed or not he did not display what you're suggesting. That's what we are trying to teach u here. Just cuz i say i can make pigs fly don't mean i can. And without hard evidence you're not convincing anyone
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Yes TK was involved but he formed a working superstructure with nothing but empty space on Mars.TK can't just do that. It has to be above that. Matter manipulation and transmutation. That to me is reality warping.
A lot of characters have created things that move on their own using nothing but TK, though I suppose at some point there's not really much of a line between high-end TK and MM.
Originally posted by h1a8
god is magical. That's where souls come from right?I did my homework this time. Watchmen are not part of pre 52 at all. Nowhere does it state this. In earth 4 there are variations of them that look similar and have different names with somewhat different story lines.
The definition is not flawed. Without a creator souls can't exist. In the watchmen universe, it is a universe of pure science, no heaven, no hell, no God. Only what most scientist believe today.
I change my mind. Surfer doesn't have offensive tp. That was a plot device. He used the channel of those aliens and sent them back his cosmic power. He never shown the ability to attack someone telepathically using only his own power. We can only speculate that he can. I can then speculate that DM can teleport Surfers head off. I'll argue that Durability doesn't protect against that tactic.
Then where in your definition did the words 'magical' 'God' 'supernatural' creep in? This is why I asked YOU to define it, not me - because I wanted to see what your understanding of the word soul meant. Only when you realised what I was doing, did you try to move the goalposts and claim something else.
With regards to TP - again, I asked YOU what was happening. You said Surfer CAN create TP links to someone. Fine, I agree. Your words, not mine. I then showed how once a link is established, he can flow his power down that route. YOU'RE the one who is arguing he can create links. Not me. I merely shows what he can do with the links, which is what you were asking in the first place. Now you change your mind, again, when you realise you have backed yourself into a corner.
Lol aren't all of your arguments speculation anyway, as Manhattan has not done any of that to someone of Surfer's calibre?
Originally posted by BeyonderGod
Reality warping is basically disruptions of time and space and the main power of imagination fueled by the users own mind.
Reality warping is a superpower in superhero fiction. It is the ability to reshape matter and energy, create or alter life forms, turn a person's thoughts or desires into reality, simulate any and all other powers and abilities, bend time and space, and possibly even rewrite the laws of physics.
All things are possible for a reality-warper, making them seem omnipotent with the only limit on reality warping being the user's imagination.
That leaves DM out right there, as he couldnt protect the US from 100% of a nuclear attack.
Speaking of 100% of a nuke attack - here's Surfer doing something similar:
Looks rather casual, too.
With thanks to the Watcher. You know who you are. Watching from afar.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Can the Silver Surfer really do this?Although temporary, that's a pretty badass global feat, ... quite meticulous.
He's demonstrated global level TP a few times, like this:
http://i.imgur.com/JpcUMIf.jpg
And this:
http://i.imgur.com/uIGILkv.jpg
Or this (this planet has a population in the trillions):
http://postimg.org/image/5ejm2czll/
And offensively he's easily mind-froze the FF4:
http://i.imgur.com/scC4siZ.jpg
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
We know that he recreated his power for man and it was used to blow up every major city in the world. Is that up for debate now?We know he can go anywhere he wants, and create a complex moving structure from nothing but thin air and control it with his mind without any trouble.
We know he can change elements on the fly, turing metal to glass, and air to gold
Manipulate anything he chooses, create air in Mars, create forcefield.
Has near limitless TK ability.
Psionic control
Blast control
Particle and molecule control
Walk the surface of the sun.
Not only has Surfer done everything you've listed, he's done it at a level a few orders of magnitude greater than Dr. Manhattan, both in terms of scope and power.
Originally posted by thingy150
Said the threads were trash. But the reason is he gets blown out of proportion, people made up a power level for him that has simply not been shown on panel.
