Originally posted by Magnon
As numerous as Surfer creating kryptonite.But seriously speaking... Manhattan has created complex devices, structures, and even living cells just by manifesting the parts and joining them together. There's no reason why he couldn't create the necessary parts for a power-drainer.. something Doom, Reed, and HE have no problems in creating.
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But he hasn't.
Originally posted by iceman24567
Pretty sure she disagrees with "nearly limitless tk" and "can go anywhere he wants" i also disagree
This.
He's displayed neither. Plus he's confusing matter manipulation with transmutation but meh. He's the expert. Iirc dont remember any air to gold or water to metal. But i could be wrong its been awhile
Originally posted by Sin I AM
This.He's displayed neither. Plus he's confusing matter manipulation with transmutation but meh. He's the expert. Iirc dont remember any air to gold or water to metal. But i could be wrong its been awhile
Actually not confusing it, he did transmutation and matter manipulation on the fly.
While he was building the machine on earth he was changing matter.
While on mars he turned air to gold to build the super structure.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Actually not confusing it, he did transmutation and matter manipulation on the fly.While he was building the machine on earth he was changing matter.
While on mars he turned air to gold to build the super structure.
I never said he didn't manipulate matter. I said he never transmuted anything. And he can't go anywhere he wants his time travel is limited unless you're referring to teleportation.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
I never said he didn't manipulate matter. I said he never transmuted anything. And he can't go anywhere he wants his time travel is limited unless you're referring to teleportation.
He did transmute, when he was building the machine on earth he turned metal to glass.
He also threatened to do the same to Ozy's Artic base.
"You can't run, you know I can turn the walls to glass"
Originally posted by DarkSaint85god is magical. That's where souls come from right?
Well, it doesn't end in a stalemate because I was using soul rip and/or telepathy, which were the original tactics.You then defined a soul, then suddenly, inserted the word 'magical'. Even though your original definition didn't have that word anywhere. Why did you then use that original definition, flawed as it was?
You then somehow argue that the Watchmen universe wasn't part of the DC multiverse. Check pre-52, I'm not doing your homework for you. But it is indeed part of it.
Then you tried saying Surfer has no offensive telepathy, and can only read minds. I show that once he creates a psychic link, he can channel all of the power cosmic down it.
Then....yeah. You're just grasping at straws now. Using the character argument, when your own signature argues against using it, lol.
I did my homework this time. Watchmen are not part of pre 52 at all. Nowhere does it state this. In earth 4 there are variations of them that look similar and have different names with somewhat different story lines.
The definition is not flawed. Without a creator souls can't exist. In the watchmen universe, it is a universe of pure science, no heaven, no hell, no God. Only what most scientist believe today.
I change my mind. Surfer doesn't have offensive tp. That was a plot device. He used the channel of those aliens and sent them back his cosmic power. He never shown the ability to attack someone telepathically using only his own power. We can only speculate that he can. I can then speculate that DM can teleport Surfers head off. I'll argue that Durability doesn't protect against that tactic.
