Originally posted by CorderaMitchellThen why bring him into this?
I don't think he can beat him period.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellThe building the explosion and potentially outside circumstances that we didn't see. For all we know Galactus sneezed, or yawned or something and for a split second accidently revoked all of his herald's (ex and otherwise) powers, allowing spiderman to hit firelord and knock him out.
Where'd you quote that, get the entire quote, as I probably went against that.
What was outside help, the avengers hadn't ariived yet.
Originally posted by Creshosk
But it triggers right upon someone deciding what they're going to do?But did it warn him when the bomb maker was making the bomb? Or planting it?
Problem is people overestimate his spidersense. Because he has been hit before while trying to figure out what the danger is. It's not a true precog.
So Sue planing on projectiong a forcefeild wouldn't set it off? Or reed planning on grabbing him, or thing throwing something?
Come on, as soon as torch decides to do something, spiderman is well aware of everything the torch is going to do?
It triggers before danger begins, it's intensity tells him the level of danger, and he also senses what direction the danger is coming from.
I never implied that he is reading anyones mind....If someone points a weapon at you don't you make the assumption that they might use it? Does that make you a mind reader when they use it and you defend yourself? Or does it mean that you are just aware of what your opponent is capable of? Spider-man knows what Johnnys capable of and the Spidersense is aware of all danger and has been noted for that many times.
And how is Storm the only threat? Wolverine can put Mr. Fantastic out of the fight and has cut the thing before.
Are there any more questions?
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Where did I bring him into this?
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell On Today @ 03:08 PM
Colossus and Ben are a stalemate.Wolverine can keep reed busy.
Spiderman can barely beat firelord.
Storm can keep sue busy, IMO.
Originally posted by The MISTERSo if they point it at you with no intent to fire the spidersense won't go off?
It triggers before danger begins, it's intensity tells him the level of danger, and he also senses what direction the danger is coming from.I never implied that he is reading anyones mind....If someone points a weapon at you don't you make the assumption that they might use it? Does that make you a mind reader when they use it and you defend yourself? Or does it mean that you are just aware of what your opponent is capable of? Spider-man knows what Johnnys capable of and the Spidersense is aware of all danger and has been noted for that many times.
And then they twitch and accidently pull the trigger. . . well obviously there was no danger as the spidersense reads "intent".
Originally posted by The MISTERWhat can any of the others do to HT?
And how is Storm the only threat? Wolverine can put Mr. Fantastic out of the fight and has cut the thing before.
Are there any more questions?
Originally posted by Creshosk
Okay then. . how does spiderman beat Hothead?
Its not how, its by the fact that spiderman is the greater strategic thinker, and more experienced with foes than Torch. If this opponent had the intelligence of reed, he would easily win, but he only has offense and a maneuverability advantage.
His character: Torch is more of a saucy type, he rushes into fights withough thinking of the situation too well. That being said, he often gets beaten by guys he has no right to, like Kraven's son. If torch's best move is nova which is obsolete, then he has no chances of reliably hitting spiderman from a great distance, because the further and safer a way he is, than the less likely he is to hit.
With that being said, spiderman has reflected his stronger attacks away, and a sufficient blow would knock him out. This is where a distraction would come in handy. Colossus uses a speedball special or something of that nature with logan-, and whap!! Torch can be hit from behind from a well place attack.
I'm assuming this is in New York city, because of the location of the hero's naturally, so this is spiderman's playground many instruments can be used to his advantage, and he is the master of his environment.
Spidey vs. torch6/10, depending on thought.
The entire match 5/10, the FF work well together, but have no leader. Xmen work well together, but who is leading? I would lean towards FF,simply because wolverine hasn't a good use, but storm is there, so it makes up for it.
If we leave aside the predictable match-ups. One possible scenario...
Torch can burn the flesh off Wolverine's skeleton straight at the start making him a non-factor. IW traps Spidey and blocks off Spideys throat with a forcefield until he passes out.
A nova flame is unnecessary according to Metalmanx Colossus melts at 12,000 F which is roughly 1% of a nova flame.
Storm is the major threat. Reed take her out of the skies. Thing taps her on the back of the head and she'd be down.
I'm still thinking overall 5/10 either way. Replace Wolverine with someone useful and I give it to the X/Spidey team.
Originally posted by Creshosk
So if they point it at you with no intent to fire the spidersense won't go off?And then they twitch and accidently pull the trigger. . . well obviously there was no danger as the spidersense reads "intent".
What can any of the others do to HT?
You got it man, the Spider-sense does let him know when someone's not going to fire because it has different levels of intensity...and it warn's him of all danger so that includes intent to harm but doesn't exclude stray projectiles (which he's dodged before) and any type of danger that is in his immediate vicinity.
His Spider-sense once went off when he passed an unfamiliar door and when he got closer it got stronger. Nothing that posed an imminent threat was inside, but he sensed the danger regardless because of the fact that it was one of the goblins secret supply rooms....What was inside WAS dangerous so he sensed it.
If storm puts the torch out what can HE do to anyone on the team? HT had better go nova but that doesn't guarantee the FF a win but it does guarantee that he's out of the fight.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Its not how, its by the fact that spiderman is the greater strategic thinker, and more experienced with foes than Torch. If this opponent had the intelligence of reed, he would easily win, but he only has offense and a maneuverability advantage.His character: Torch is more of a saucy type, he rushes into fights withough thinking of the situation too well. That being said, he often gets beaten by guys he has no right to, like Kraven's son. If torch's best move is nova which is obsolete, then he has no chances of reliably hitting spiderman from a great distance, because the further and safer a way he is, than the less likely he is to hit.
With that being said, spiderman has reflected his stronger attacks away, and a sufficient blow would knock him out. This is where a distraction would come in handy. Colossus uses a speedball special or something of that nature with logan-, and whap!! Torch can be hit from behind from a well place attack.
I'm assuming this is in New York city, because of the location of the hero's naturally, so this is spiderman's playground many instruments can be used to his advantage, and he is the master of his environment.
Spidey vs. torch6/10, depending on thought.
The entire match 5/10, the FF work well together, but have no leader. Xmen work well together, but who is leading? I would lean towards FF,simply because wolverine hasn't a good use, but storm is there, so it makes up for it.
Blah blah, you got nothing as to how Spiderman is even going to touch torch.
Spiderman verses Torch, How does spiderman even touch him?
Webbing? So now that stuff is inflamible?
OR how about with his fists? Because Spiderman is inflamable. . .
Originally posted by stormfront13
X, you know i respect you and everything, but how exactley will fantastic get storm out of the skies?
Iunno stretching. 😛 It was just a potential scenario. Storm wouldn't start in the sky anyway it's not an automatic power.
I like X-Men better than FF. But I know if the Fantastic Four didn't hold back then they'd win. Even if they do hold back like normal I still think it's a 5/10.
Originally posted by The MISTEROther dangers? Like Ben, sue or reed?
You got it man, the Spider-sense does let him know when someone's not going to fire because it has different levels of intensity...and it warn's him of all danger so that includes intent to harm but doesn't exclude stray projectiles (which he's dodged before) and any type of danger that is in his immediate vicinity.
Because he'll know exactly who is planing something and exactly what they're planning.
Originally posted by The MISTERSo because something inside is dangerous he senses it, must suck to walk past weopon shops or. . hell cars can be dangerous so his sense must be going off all the time. . . or is it only things that are dangerous plotwise?
His Spider-sense once went off when he passed an unfamiliar door and when he got closer it got stronger. Nothing that posed an imminent threat was inside, but he sensed the danger regardless because of the fact that it was one of the goblins secret supply rooms....What was inside WAS dangerous so he sensed it.
Originally posted by The MISTERSee? that's why storm is the key, she takes out hot head, who was the biggest threat.
If storm puts the torch out what can HE do to anyone on the team?
Originally posted by The MISTERIf he has the time to go nova then by last man standing the FF wins because HT will go down, but last. I don't think anyone would survive to see HT pass out. . . as I don't think any of them can be within close proximity to the sun. . .
HT had better go nova but that doesn't guarantee the FF a win but it does guarantee that he's out of the fight.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotWolverine will not just stand still while the torch fires at him and Storm can negate the torches powers immediately by causing a simple downpour. Sue is the wild card here so the Thing and Reed had better protect her while she plants forcefields in her enemies brains.
If we leave aside the predictable match-ups. One possible scenario...Torch can burn the flesh off Wolverine's skeleton straight at the start making him a non-factor. IW traps Spidey and blocks off Spideys throat with a forcefield until he passes out.
A nova flame is unnecessary according to Metalmanx Colossus melts at 12,000 F which is roughly 1% of a nova flame.
Storm is the major threat. Reed take her out of the skies. Thing taps her on the back of the head and she'd be down.
I'm still thinking overall 5/10 either way. Replace Wolverine with someone useful and I give it to the X/Spidey team.
I personally think that Reed gets sliced by Wolvy and the Thing had better focus on what Collosus is up to, but if Sue is too busy protecting Reed from getting sliced and the drenched powerless torch from death from any one of the excess team, how will she protect herself?