k, storm is the key to wimming this battle. more than likely colossus and grimm wil fight, so storm doesn't need to worry about ben right now. storm will p[rolly go after torch because they have fought before and she knows how to beat him. she easily has blown out his flame twice so at the same time she snuffs his flame then summons a bolt to take him out. once torch os out storm will probably go after sue. al storm has to do is electrify the air inside sues forcefield to take her out because sue it still human. then that leaves reed, storm will call a pocket of extreme cold, snow, and rain around, literally freezing him. hell if she wanted to she could just flash-0freeze his entire body.
I just have a few things to say.
I think that if Sue puts Storm in a bubble, that takes her out. Why? Because Storm still has her claustraphobic(sp?) weakness. If noone can get her out in time, shes out plain and simple.
Theres no way that Torche's fire blasts can hit Spidey. Spiderman is way to fast to get hit by projectiles from Torch. Torch would have to come down and possibly get a bit closer in order to be effective. Webbing will have NO effect at all without prep from Spiderman. If they can use surroundings, a resourceful Spidey can get some water from a hydrant of something. Hes way smarter that Torchy. Hed surely find a way to take him out. Unless Torch goes nova ofcourse and ends the whole dam fight.
Thing beats Colossus. I like Colossus, but Thing would have his number. They are very close in strength, so thats not a factor. Thing has the superior fighting ability which gives him the advantage. Would he be able to knock Rasputin out? I think so.
Wolverine aint going to be able to hurt Reed and vise versa. If he can tie him in a knot, Reed is out. Otherwise, they'll fight forever.
Human Torch/Mr. Fantastic/The Thing/Invisible Woman
vs
Spider-Man/Wolverine/Storm/Colossus
No chance, F4 loses. Mr. Fantastic isn't gonna last long against anyone, Human Torch is screwed by Storm, Colossus could most likely take The Thing and Invisible Woman can be beaten by Spider-Man. How? He can sense the danger so her being invisible isn't as useful as it seems.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Other dangers? Like Ben, sue or reed?Because he'll know exactly who is planing something and exactly what they're planning.
So because something inside is dangerous he senses it, must suck to walk past weopon shops or. . hell cars can be dangerous so his sense must be going off all the time. . . or is it only things that are dangerous plotwise?
See? that's why storm is the key, she takes out hot head, who was the biggest threat.
If he has the time to go nova then by last man standing the FF wins because HT will go down, but last. I don't think anyone would survive to see HT pass out. . . as I don't think any of them can be within close proximity to the sun. . .
Truly which one can emit a blast of all-encompassing power capable of destroying a city block or two Ben, Sue, or Reed?
You're trying to be funny but I know you know I'm not implying that he can read minds. However he is well aware of what each member of the four is capable of.
In the origin of Spider-man a car set the Spider-sense off and he avoided it without even being aware of why he was dodging. Yeah cars set it off when they're DANGEROUS but why would things that aren't dangerous set it off? The Goblins weapons are not typical weapons and the Spider-sense lets him know when he's being watched while he changes. It's extremely sensative and it's explained even more in the cosmic Spidey saga.
I think that if Sue puts Storm in a bubble, that takes her out. Why? Because Storm still has her claustraphobic(sp?) weakness. If noone can get her out in time, shes out plain and simple.
^^yes, storm will be scared of being in an invisable bubble where she can see what she is doing, and can see she sky, and can still use her powers and see her teammates. if somehow storm was scared(won't happen) then storm will become the same person she did when doom did the same thing. did you see that? she was a dark-phoenix with weather powers.
Originally posted by jrodslamThank you you'r the first one to say how spiderman can threaten HT. . however you overlook how difficult it'd be to hiot torch with the water from a hydrant while dodging his attacks.
Theres no way that Torche's fire blasts can hit Spidey. Spiderman is way to fast to get hit by projectiles from Torch. Torch would have to come down and possibly get a bit closer in order to be effective. Webbing will have NO effect at all without prep from Spiderman. If they can use surroundings, a resourceful Spidey can get some water from a hydrant of something. Hes way smarter that Torchy. Hed surely find a way to take him out. Unless Torch goes nova ofcourse and ends the whole dam fight.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Thank you you'r the first one to say how spiderman can threaten HT. . however you overlook how difficult it'd be to hiot torch with the water from a hydrant while dodging his attacks.
and how difficult he will have a time of hitting spiderman, if he's not close, and spiderman would dodge it all day.
Originally posted by The MISTERDepends on if they've been powered up. Like the other bricks (no pun intended) Ben might be able to do a shockwave. . . sue I'm not sure if she's been powered up to be able to take out a block.
Truly which one can emit a blast of all-encompassing power capable of destroying a city block or two Ben, Sue, or Reed?
Originally posted by The MISTERAnd he instantly knows who's planing what from the severity of the spidersense?
You're trying to be funny but I know you know I'm not implying that he can read minds. However he is well aware of what each member of the four is capable of.
Originally posted by The MISTERCars are always dangerous. as bombs or grenades are always dangerous.
In the origin of Spider-man a car set the Spider-sense off and he avoided it without even being aware of why he was dodging. Yeah cars set it off when they're DANGEROUS but why would things that aren't dangerous set it off?
Originally posted by The MISTERBecause they're attacking all the time? OR are capable of destroying large buildings?
The Goblins weapons are not typical weapons and the Spider-sense lets him know when he's being watched while he changes. It's extremely sensative and it's explained even more in the cosmic Spidey saga.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellOops, you forgot spidey was sitting by the hydrant trying to make it hit torch, Spiderman isn't dodging at this point in time.
and how difficult he will have a time of hitting spiderman, if he's not close, and spiderman would dodge it all day.
Fwoosh, roast spider.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
and how difficult he will have a time of hitting spiderman, if he's not close, and spiderman would dodge it all day.
Thats the point i was trying to bring up. Torch's long range attacts wont be fast enough to hit Spidey, therefore hes gonna have to get alot closer to be somewhat effective.
Spideys a genius, he lure Torch close to a hydrant without Torchy even realizing. All of a sudden WHAM! Spidey kicks the hydrant, releasing a ton of water all over Torch. Im sure we've all seen a hydrant when turned on all the way. Imagine it at full blast. Its very wide spread. Doucing Torch's flame imo. Just a theory i had.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellIf you're not going to take in all of a conversation string stay out of it, k? 😉
I said nothing of a hydrant, he could use new york to his advantage lightyears better than torch, he's been using the environment more.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Thats the point i was trying to bring up. Torch's long range attacts wont be fast enough to hit Spidey, therefore hes gonna have to get alot closer to be somewhat effective.Spideys a genius, he lure Torch close to a hydrant without Torchy even realizing. All of a sudden WHAM! Spidey kicks the hydrant, releasing a ton of water all over Torch. Im sure we've all seen a hydrant when turned on all the way. Imagine it at full blast. Its very wide spread. Doucing Torch's flame imo. Just a theory i had.
Spidey smart, Torch so dumb he not use eyes.
And it's not that great and would still have to be directed at a person not directly overhead. which means sitting by the hydrant and trying to aim it, thus not dodging. 😉