Grey Jedi:True masters of the force

One cannot sever gimself compleatly from conflict. If you chose to be neutral to one fight, that doesn`t mean you will thrown off the board. (this can also be interpreted symbolically)

e.g. There is a rebelion and you chose to be neutral. But what if you see somebody in dire need of help? Do you walk by or stop to assist him/her? Do you CHOOSE to be Good or Evil?

And let us not forget about the internal struggles which shape us greatly. Such as fears and doubts - you cannot be grey in the face of fright - either you silence it or it silences you...

hmm good point

so a balance can never be achived there is always good or evil but the path you walk the road you take is always up to you ill think on this hmm

Originally posted by dgeniu
One cannot sever gimself compleatly from conflict. If you chose to be neutral to one fight, that doesn`t mean you will thrown off the board. (this can also be interpreted symbolically)

e.g. There is a rebelion and you chose to be neutral. But what if you see somebody in dire need of help? Do you walk by or stop to assist him/her? Do you CHOOSE to be Good or Evil?

And let us not forget about the internal struggles which shape us greatly. Such as fears and doubts - you cannot be grey in the face of fright - either you silence it or it silences you...

I couldn't have said it better. Well... I probably could have, but not in under 90000 words. Well said.

iot was pretty good wasnt it im trying to think off a come back

hold on slow ur roll....all that is in decision making which is, i will admit, a very important of who we are, but of course ur going to fight to defend urself any jedi or sith or non force user for that matter knows that. and second if that post is some indirect way of talking about the clone wars your still wrong. because that war was a revoloution against a weak and failing instituion. the jedi order has never had their more important priorities together. the force like this other guy said before is liek nature isnt dosent take sides. its good sometimes and bad sometimes (actually id say it was bad most of the time). something thats good and bad cnat inherntly be judged good or evil like you said before. because its never a constant like the force is.

EG. Jango Fett, he was a bounty hunter(a damn good one too), in attack of the clones he is portrayed as a villain, but if you had played Star Wars: Bounty Hunter, he was a actually nice levelheaded person with a heart. but he never was really a good guy but never really a bad guy, he was just on a bad team in AOTC, and you cant say he was evil and selfish cuz he was a bounty hunter. that is a common job in the star wars galaxy, you cant call somone evil for doing their job, unless its flat out obvious..............so what wuld you call him exactly?
Light or Dark?

remeber the force effects evryone not jus jedi and sith.

Fishy-

True jolee was inherently good along with qui gon, and kreia had questionable morality but they didnt adhere to either the foolishness of the jedi restrictions or the sith mad lust for power, they allowed themselves to go beyond white and black in an attempt for real truth.

dgeniu-

Grey jedi arent free from all conflict, they just try to stay out of the eternal battle between jedi and sith. Qui gon wasnt really a grey jedi but he did follow some grey jedi ideals, instead of serving the dogmatic jedi teachings, he served the force.

to janus

if u were walking down a strret and some one was kicking a man on the floor what would i do well good would be save the man bad picking a fight with the man beating him up and killing him demanding a reward for savibng the mans life if you dont get one you kill him

walking bye not paying attention letting life take its course and not getting involved i see that as nuetral

grey jedi aree true masters of the force using darkpowers force choke ect lead to darkness if you can master the abbilerty to use them and not be courrupted you desever the title master of the force

look, in order to see to see and undersand the true nature of the force, one has to put away the limitations and restrictions the jedi and sith put on each other. light and dark, to me those are just limits, to stay one belief and one ideal, and not even expirement a little with a few dark or light practices, thas a weakness, and to serve and protect a weak instituion that has no control over what goes on in the galaxy, is also a weakness.
To be honest, the sith are closer to true mastery of the force then the jedi are. even if their power is dark, unatural, and almost supernatural, they dont want to weaken themselves. they embrace a much larger view of the force then jedi do. the jedi encourage you to learn and embracea large of the force, when the ironic thing is they set up all kinds of barierrs.

mind your feelings and emotion

no love, the jedi in some cases have even exiled their ranks for falling in love.

always hounding you telling you the dark side is ever present.

they say that concentration and focus it the key to obtaining true power.
the sith have focus, they have more focus than the jedi do, in times of fear the jedi crack(Grievous), they prefer to medidtate rather than take action before a threat gets worse(Mandalorian Wars), and the jedi are arrogant, master yoda and mace windu even admitted this.

and whats wrong with being a little brash and impulsive. to much thinking and less acting will let the moment pass you by.

As for the sith, there to focused on their power and themselves to see the true nature of the force. their passionate hatred for the jedi is what blinds them to understanding their cehif desire, power. which can be obtained when meditating and concetrating like the jedi do, but thats not the only way.

Each side, Jedi and Sith, have extemely powerful practices and techniques, and if those could be merged the possibilties are endless. with power like that the saying "nothing is impossible with the force," has a completely new meaing. the ability to create and preserve life, or the power to strip away the ability to use the force, those are masterful abilities. using practicies from one side while taking neither is mastery.

Bruce Lee: If you always put limit on everything you do, physical or anything else. It will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them.

Originally posted by Great Vengeance
[B]Fishy-

True jolee was inherently good along with qui gon, and kreia had questionable morality but they didnt adhere to either the foolishness of the jedi restrictions or the sith mad lust for power, they allowed themselves to go beyond white and black in an attempt for real truth.

The Sith are not necessarily all that is Dark and the Jedi all that is good, not following the code of either two does not make you neutral. It makes you you, but you are still on one of the two sides.

I think he's only just read Skywalker's talk from the NJO series.

Each side, Jedi and Sith, have extemely powerful practices and techniques, and if those could be merged the possibilties are endless.

The only possibility with a Light Side user including Dark Side practices and techniques is that said LSer will fall to the Dark Side. The Dark Side inherently corrupts its users towards evil.

There is no in-between - there is the Light and Dark Sides. Straddling the fence (which is insanely difficult, supposedly) will merely prolong the inevitable choice the individual Force user must make. Tempting the Dark Side such as that only allows its pull to become stronger over time.

"All that remains for evil to prosper is for good men to do nothing."

Yoda, if that is your version of neutrality, it is moral cowardice, not indifference. Inaction does not save you from the wrong action if inaction in itself is wrong. If I know that a boy is about to be hit by a truck and you do nothing, that is passive evil, it is not neutral. Neutrality is, really, a myth when it comes to morality. Even Lucas believes as much. The man read some fifty books on morality before he made the first movie.

janus
i think that every thing happens for a reason i live my life and let other peoples lives take the corse so i i live this life i belive it to nuetral not cowardly i also think that mastering the dark force powers and marsting the abbilerty to use them without bein corrupted is mastering the force itself

Well, you believe that. I'm happy for you, even if you are sorely misguided.

But rationally, reasonablly, such an attitude borders on ethical egoism and is fundamentally unsound. If everyone acted as you did and didn't care a whit about the next guy, this world and civilization itself would fall apart. You would not be sitting before a computer debating science fiction.

As for mastering the darkside without being corrupted that is nonsense. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. If that were ever not the case, we would have dozens if not millions of enlightened despots in our time. And guess what? We don't.

Also, in regards to Bruce Lee... I hardly doubt his words apply to the Force. Bruce Lee was a martial artist. His art requires dedication and talent that comes with a built-in self-control mechanism. You do not see "Kung fu star murders dozens" in the headlines, because they have control. They have come far to achieve such power and control. However, much like a gun, the Force itself can be rather cheap power. Less cheap than a gun, for sure, but no less effective or deadly. With such an overwhelming ability one cannot simply say "I will dabble in all aspects, regardless to morality, and pass it off as testing myself and expanding on my limits." This is horrible self-rationalisation and it reeks of carelessness, something that should never possess such power.

you may be janus one of if not the smartest people iv ever talked to and your completly right i have enjoyed this debate and hope to have more also my respect for you has sky rocketed i just dont no what to day bak to what you jsut said but i am not unhappy i lost iv looked at it as learning u are also 8 yrs older than me so you have got a slight advantage

Thank you for your kind words, but remember age isn't always wisdom in itself. It is a factor in wisdom but never the sole factor. How we find things out is by asking AND accepting the truth once we stumble across it.

Damn this thread got philosophical. Well, I gues that wraps that up kids . . .

You missed all the fun, too.