Grey Jedi:True masters of the force

They are different.

You can see Grey Jedi in two ways neither Dark nor Light or neither Jedi nor Sith. The last one exists, the robe in Kotor II have only purpose to show that there are Jedi that join no side and to make you balanced.

You have robes for Dark and Light only you needed some good robes for the people that wanted to be neither as well. Obsidiian gave it to them. Still those Jedi are still Dark or Light at the end they still make a choice and that makes them dark or light. There is no avoiding it.

look maybe r talkin out the baran do aqnd the matukai robes but i doubt dont see how that post argues the validity of grey jedi and that fact that robes in they game does support there exsistence

No it doesn't, can you stay grey in the end of the game? No you can't.

Jolee was grey in Kotor 1 and you could be grey, but in the end you had to choose light or dark. Making the Exile and/or Revan light or Dark.

Originally posted by Darth Calladus
i say anyone that anyone who agress with him either refuses to grasp the concept of a median or is just flat out narrow-minded

I did read that Calladus, and you are basically accusing people who completely disagree with you a bunch of maroons.

thats a video game for a central character with a set story line, meaning he was supposed to pick a side.

lol ok look mac i also said ealier in the thread if ur gonna downcast the thread like that then dont post. sayin crap like anyone who likes grey jedi loses my respect and its adolescent crap, man im jus gonna throw shit like that rite back at you.

im asking you to be like fishy here and agrue with me about the grey jedi and i wuld like to thank you fishy for not being a jerk about the thread even though we have diferent opinons about the matter.

Well thats because I can understand where you are coming from.

But you are simply wrong,

you see you think of Dark as Dark and light as Light. But look at Anakin why did he turn Dark? Because he wanted to do something good.

That does not mean he is bad or that he is good just that he follows the Dark Side. He was in perfect control, people on the Dark Side can still do good things and seem to follow the Light Side, but in the end they will choose themselves over everything else. They will rather laugh then help somebody. They would rather eat or sleep then help people.

Thats the Dark Side the light side is the other way. Jolee for instance always felt that people should figure it out for themselves he gave advice and helped when he knew it was necessary but for the most time he just sat around. Still when something happened and his helpw as needed he would give it.

He looked to be grey but was still on the light side. Ultimately you still follow one of the two sides, even if your actions sometimes contradict it.

Well...

There are no "grey" Jedi as well as there aren't "grey" things in life. Everything can be devided into "good" and "evil", "right" and "wrong" at least in an individual point of view.

Now talking about the SW universe people aren't considered "light side" or "dark side" because of the powers they use they are judged by the things they do with their powers. Take Mace Windu (Vapaad - channeling "dark side" feelings and use it as a weapon for the light side) or NJO Luke...both "light side" characters that used "dark side" powers or emotinons to serve the force.

And you base that "grey" Jedi stuff on wrong assumptions. "Serving the force" means being light side and that is clearly stated in the films as well as in the books. A Jedi uses the force by letting the force control his actions. The Sith are the opposite. They manipulate the force according to their goals.

So there is simply no space between "dark side" and "light side" to fit something like "grey Jedi" into it. You can say that people that use powers coming from both sides of the force are stronger than people who only use the powers of one side but still even those people can be devided into "Jedi" or "Sith / Dark Jedi".

I thought I already clarified this. READ WHAT I POSTED.

This issue is a non-issue. Grey Jedi, whether they exist or not, are anathema to GL's eternal conflict as in Star Wars, and they can not be masters of the Force, only its tools. Now, let this debate die.

well i was done with the debate not because of what you said, i didnt even know you said that, but..... now im gonna keep going because to "tools of the force" and "grey dosent apply to life," ohhhh yeah this debate lives on.

Now wait a minute. Life itself can not be divided into black and white, good and bad. there are a lot of grey aspects in life. However I'm not sure on the whole grey jeedai thing. We know there are the "lost twenty" who removed themselves from the jeedai order. now they could still be lightside force users, or have turned to the darkside. But what if theres a force user, who just doesnt care either way. Isn't out to help people, but isn't out to hurt them either. Wouldn't they be considered grey jeedai? It's kind of confusing for me.

man have you guys thought to actually look at it from a different point of veiw im mean really, how can you ever understand somthin if you go of one particualr perspective,(the Jedi) which is not always right. the jedi are not all good regardless if GL makes it look, i dont even think GL has it so that the Jedi look like God's angels. and im not talkin ohh they have a little darkside in them.what about the Sith huh? the sith are really not that bad. ive heard almost all of you say that sevring darkside means ur bad. but how is it bad when ur doing what u think is right? the jedi try to serve the republic when the republic is really not all that great. its not a democracy, its full of corrupted and power hungry politicians.why do you think therer was a seperatist movment. they werent bad either they were doing what they thought was right. because the republic obviously werent making things better. jus because you have dark powers does that mean you have to be evil? what if somone fell to the darkside beacause they had no choice? (Anakin,Revan)

Originally posted by Human Vader
Now wait a minute. Life itself can not be divided into black and white, good and bad. there are a lot of grey aspects in life. However I'm not sure on the whole grey jeedai thing. We know there are the "lost twenty" who removed themselves from the jeedai order. now they could still be lightside force users, or have turned to the darkside. But what if theres a force user, who just doesnt care either way. Isn't out to help people, but isn't out to hurt them either. Wouldn't they be considered grey jeedai? It's kind of confusing for me.

THAT IS IT THIS THREAD IS DONE YOU HAVE YOUR OPINOIN I HAVE MINE NONE OF USE KNOWS WHAT THE FORCE IS LIKE. AND NO BOOK OR VIDEO GAME OR MOVIE IS GONNA MAKE US UNDERSTAND IT ANY EASIER BECAUSE THERE WILL ALWAYS BE SOME BOOK OR VIDEO GAME OR MOVIE THAT WILL RAISE EVEN MORE QUESTIONS

Please this thread is done no more posts please no more
whether im wrong or right, like i said ur opinoin vs. mine but this topic is done

Originally posted by Human Vader
Now wait a minute. Life itself can not be divided into black and white, good and bad. there are a lot of grey aspects in life. However I'm not sure on the whole grey jeedai thing. We know there are the "lost twenty" who removed themselves from the jeedai order. now they could still be lightside force users, or have turned to the darkside. But what if theres a force user, who just doesnt care either way. Isn't out to help people, but isn't out to hurt them either. Wouldn't they be considered grey jeedai? It's kind of confusing for me.

For a single person there are no "grey" things in live. When you take multiple individuals (with their own views) there are "grey" things...but for a single human beings it's only "black" and "white" or "I don't care / I don't know". You always have to decide your oppinion because nobody has the ability to play Advocatus Diaboli and Advocatus Dei at once.

For the grey Jedi: There might be people like the "lost twenty" who aren't Jedi or Sith and there might be people that simply don't care about if they are "light side" or "dark side" and just do what they do or have another view on the force. I don't want to contradict that BUT they can be still judged by their actions and I don't mean "single events" but their overall behavior.
You don't have to go to the extreme positions to be "light side" or "dark side"...

so what is it then huh? you guys siad theres only light and dark

so how does that apply life huh? hmmmmmmmmm

ok lets do me then

im generally a nice person im a christian, i can make people laugh, im a good friend who has ur back, and im somone you wuld typically like to hang around, but some people think that im mean, im annoying, i take things to lightly, i take things to seriously, and that im just a jerk sometimes...........

well like some of you said before light or dark depends on judgement of behavior so what am I excatly, because like you said fohl there is only light and dark in our world whter they are extreme or not..........?

im done talking about the grey jedi as im hoping evryone else is but plz tell me how there is only light and dark in life? im talkin to you Fohl and you only i really want to know....

ok this thread is over me and janus solved it you an not be gray and if you cannot a force user cannot right whatever you do in life is good or bad the example janus used was a man is gettin kicked in and you see if you walk past you are bad end of if you help him you are good end off this applys to force users they can not be grey every choich they make is good or bad in example a trader is getting bullied you walk past u=you are bad you help you are good

"All that remains for evil to prosper is for good men to do nothing."

Darth Yoda, if that is your version of neutrality, it is moral cowardice, not indifference. Inaction does not save you from the wrong action if inaction in itself is wrong. If I know that a boy is about to be hit by a truck and you do nothing, that is passive evil, it is not neutral. Neutrality is, really, a myth when it comes to morality. Even Lucas believes as much. The man read some fifty books on morality before he made the first movie.

But rationally, reasonablly, such an attitude borders on ethical egoism and is fundamentally unsound. If everyone acted as you did and didn't care a whit about the next guy, this world and civilization itself would fall apart. You would not be sitting before a computer debating science fiction.

As for mastering the darkside without being corrupted that is nonsense. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. If that were ever not the case, we would have dozens if not millions of enlightened despots in our time. And guess what? We don't.

READ WHAT I SAY GUYS. I MIGHT ACTUALLY HAVE THE ANSWER. There is no grey, as Nai said and I have said. People only make grey to give themselves leeway. But morality IS black and white. The grey comes from not having the knowledge to see the black and white.

heh, your opinoin bro