he slpet because he thought his job was done done and I'm sorry many people feel they are comparable feats and your idea that Creation is more powerful than destruction is only a point of veiw in mant cultures they are both looked at as powerful forces with no one stronger than the other. so don't give me that. Now please do not reply to this poat as a more in depth one is coming that you can break down.
Originally posted by newjak86
he slpet because he thought his job was done done and I'm sorry many people feel they are comparable feats and your idea that Creation is more powerful than destruction is only a point of veiw in mant cultures they are both looked at as powerful forces with no one stronger than the other. so don't give me that. Now please do not reply to this poat as a more in depth one is coming that you can break down.
lol ok sir
Sorry NJ lol.
Also its not opinion that the power to create is greater. Only cosnic beings can create life, that involves matter and energy manipulation of the highest order. Any old energy wielder can destroy stuff, blow up buildings and so on. That doesnt take refinement or high tier manipulation.
Unicron destroyed a multiverse and was left with nothingness. He rampaged through it and absorbed energy. That is not as impresseive as putting together a multiverse from scratch molecule by molecule manipulating matter and energy matrices to form life, planets etc. Sorry NJ but no way.
He's just a cosmically pumped up Pacman.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
[B]Sorry NJ lol.Also its not opinion that the power to create is greater. Only cosnic beings can create life, that involves matter and energy manipulation of the highest order.
Dude, roaches can create life; so can some asexual lizards. You don't need a cosmic being to create life.
Any old energy wielder can destroy stuff, blow up buildings and so on. That doesnt take refinement or high tier manipulation.
Please add...IMO to this post of yours - cause it's just your opinion. Like I said, it doesn't take a cosmic to create life. Sentinels are considered artificial LIFE.
Originally posted by Beyonder
Dude, roaches can create life; so can some asexual lizards. You don't need a cosmic being to create life.Please add...IMO to this post of yours - cause it's just your opinion. Like I said, it doesn't take a cosmic to create life. Sentinels are considered artificial LIFE.
Beyonder you're lame. That is sexual reproduction. Slight difference. 😮 Sorry to tell you this but we're talking about creating life from scratch through energy and matter. 😮
Btw id luv to see how a giant robot would go about making babies
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Please add a post-it-note to your monitor to remind you to read threads before you contribute. Ok?
Originally posted by Creshosk
That's in one of those divergeing on grey area's . . . debating weather or not a robot even has a soul. . . and just what exactly life is. . .
At present A.I systems arent capable of the full range of thought processes and emotions and bodily functions that we have are they.
Whats the robot equivalent of a metabolism, respiration system, growth, reproduction, and response to stimuli or adaptation to the environment originating from within the organism.
There are equivalents to some of those things but not to all of those things. We know for example phoenix can create human bodys, with human thought processes, we know it can create abstracts which can embody themselves, but what can Unicron do in those areas? Make robots?
Originally posted by GalacticStormWell, you're mixing what's real and what's fictional there.
At present A.I systems arent capable of the full range of thought processes and emotions and bodily functions that we have are they.Whats the robot equivalent of a metabolism, respiration system, growth, reproduction, and response to stimuli or adaptation to the environment originating from within the organism.
There are equivalents to some of those things but not to all of those things. We know for example phoenix can create human bodys, with human thought processes, we know it can create abstracts which can embody themselves, but what can Unicron do in those areas? Make robots?
We don't have any robots that are on par with Transformers . . those are robots that have souls. . or sparks as they're called.
Metabolism would be a fuel source. oil or batteries etc.
Respiration, and growth I don't know.
Reproduction could be like insect species, a central reproductive system with drones that can't, response to stimuli would be reacting to input, from sensors and the like. and I don't know about the last two. . .
Metabolism and reproduction. . other than that. . .
But phoenix can create mechanical species as well as organic. . not sure about Unicron.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Well, you're mixing what's real and what's fictional there.We don't have any robots that are on par with Transformers . . those are robots that have souls. . or sparks as they're called.
Metabolism would be a fuel source. oil or batteries etc.
Respiration, and growth I don't know.
Reproduction could be like insect species, a central reproductive system with drones that can't, response to stimuli would be reacting to input, from sensors and the like. and I don't know about the last two. . .Metabolism and reproduction. . other than that. . .
But phoenix can create mechanical species as well as organic. . not sure about Unicron.
Good good very true.
But that was my point, Unicron was never shown to be able to create life. He was a destroyer. If he could create life i doubt its on the same scale.
(Unicron destroyed a universe as stated by yourself. A universe does not equal creation im afraid. Destroying a universe results in nothingmess it does not make you beyond creation. To be beyond creation unicron would have had to have been either in the white hot room (marvel) or heaven. (dc) He was in neither. Unicron was still in creation but he survived in the nothingness that was a result of his destruction of the universe.)
I hate to tell you this Galactic Unicron is described as destroying everything everything including space time and was living without it in the Nothingness which is nothing. He has also gone to the Astral Plane which only Primus and Unicron have ever been mentioned as going to meaning this could very well be their White Hot room. It could very well be the Transformers version of the White Hot Room but there is no argueing about the fact that he destroyed everything the only reason this is a mute point to you is becasue you feel threathened now so your trying to dimenish Unicron's power but there is no deabting it he destroyed EVERYTHING IN HIS COMICS.
(Unicron never made life, he resurrected someone. Theres a difference. When Unicron makes brand new life from scratch then you can have that point in your case, as of now it is withdrawn.)
Yes he resurrected someone but it was nothing more than to show a point. That Unicron's powers aren't beyond the aspect of creating something himself and therefore his powers aren't just destruction. Also he has made ships seeminglessly out nothing meaning he can manipualte molecules which is how Phoenix in your words made Creation. Now he has never shown it on that scale but it is something he probably chooses not to do since he seems to hate creation and therefore why would he make one of his own.
(None of those things are reasons why unicron is comparable to Phoenix. Phoenix existst beyond creation within the white hot room. Out of nothing phoenix begins creation, phoenixes essence supports life, is one with life. Life is dependent on phoenix not the other way around id like to point out NJ if that was the case then dont you think it would be a tiny bit problematic when phoenix has to destroy all of creation as her god given role? Phoenix then goes on to end the multiverse resulting in nothingness. Phoenix then returns to the white hot room beyond creation. Phoenix achieves cyclically unicrons greatest claim to fame except she actually exits creation afterwards and she doesnt crash out for a few million years afterwards.)
Well as stated before Unicron can exist outside of Creation in either the Nothingness or the Astral Plane which ever one you choose to except. Yes the Phoenix is the begining and end of Creation in Marvel I have never argued this. Unicron slept after he destroyed Creation becasue he didn't plan on making a new one so he was done and wished to go into slumber so to speak. I still argue though that the only reason Phoneix can detroy this creation is that it is apart of her and that she has never shown any influence outside of creation. I still think that were she to try and destroy a creation outside of her own then she would fail because that Creation is not her own and is not apart of her. Unicron did do this though he destroyed something so grand that he had no influence on.
(Phoenix will hurt Unicron because as aforementioned unicron fears the power behind creation, phoenix is the primal force of creation.Ok?)
Unicron as aforementioned Unicron only fears the Matrix because it contains ALL the POWER of CREATION. The Matrix in Marvel would be a bomb that is capable of realeasing all the power of the Phoenix in one gigantic explosion and it is concealed in one little orb. Unicron took creation head one before and was destroying it again but only failed because Primus tricked him. An example I could use is this say that someone has bullet proof armor covering there entire body normally Creation can only shoot bullets but creation then decides to throw out it's biggest weapon all of it's power in the form of a gernade Unicron would normally be immune to it but instead is now faced with a new challenge can he survive the blast of a gernade with bullet proof armor. Well guess what he has he was injured in the fight but survived when it was used on him in his weakened state never the less. Now I know your going to say that Phoneix will just simply pull all of her power together to hurt him but that I will cover later.
(((((((((((((Phoenix possesses telekinetic godhood which gives her power over all matter, reality, time and space down to a molecular level. It is the ultimate power her consciousness permeates all. Destroying a universe happens every few months in comics im really not impressed by unicron. Any half decent cosmic could do that. Im betting there wasnt a load of cosmic beings akin to marvels abstracts to oppose him either? His feat is now seeming less and less impressive by the minute. Destrying it just doesnt say much and for obvious reasons.))))))))))))))
As stated above it was Creation not a simple Universe. I says that he killed all the gods of this old creation so I'm pretty sure that people tried to oppse him and I bet that the Gods of the Old Creation were a lot like the abstracts of Marvel except that they were probably made bt Creation itself since Creation seems to be the all powerful being in Transformers except for Unicron of course. Wow his feat is seeming more and more impressive the more I right.
(Id like to see how unicron fares destroying Marvel creation with its trillions of cosmic beings and living universes who can actually fight back.)
Um Unicron did destroy a Creation with cosmic beings GODS so it wasn't like he was unoppsed and he destroyed them all. He wasn't exausted fr a million years he was simply done with what he wanted to do so he slumbered. Oh Phoenix does it cyclically because she makes a new Unicron had no intention of making a new one.
(She telekinetically amputated a whole future and stitched up the injured universe left behind. That is ultimate power just try and fathom working with all of those molecules telekinetically. Phoenix from the white hot room sees universes as insignificant spheres of energy which she can hold in her hand.)
Yes but once again this is her manipulating something that is a part of her which isn't as impressive. So anything she does inside of Creation is worthless because she controls everything there. Still how would she fair trying to destroy or rearrange something she wasn't apart of. The Universe thing again he destroyed Creation my friend.
(It is Unicron who has never displayed powers beyond creation.)
The samething you said before but in a different format. He destroyed Creation not just a universe but everything this is seeming like a last ditch from you the more I read this post.
(Phoenix cannot die it reprsents life, death and rebirth.)
Say what you will Unicron has already devoured the same power that Phoenix uses to make everything. She manipulates matter Unicron eats it so to speak. So the power she wields is nothing to Unicron as he already faced those same powers and ate them.
You have no idea just how strong Unicron is and this is starting to annoy me my friend. You keep speaking in ways that try to place Unicron in a Marvel aspect but you can't do that Unicron isn't Marvel. You keep trying to place him in a religious setting while Transforemers only recently in the newer comics are doing that. Unicron in the orginal is nothing more than Idealistic setting of good vs Evil and Good was loosing until it found a way to trick Unicron. To place him in the Marvel Hiearchy isn't the way he is portrayed and doesn't do him justice he is an unstoppable force that destroys everything he wants time space molecules Gods nothing is beyond him. Phoneix is included as well and you trying to place her beyond Unicron is laughable. His feats aren'y compareable please everyone on here agrees that they are comparable everyone that is except you. You refuse to agree that they are and it is becomeing pathetic. Everyone agrees that the feats I have stated are just as powerful as Phoenix. All you have done is sit there and said over and over that what Phoenix what Phoenix is what this and that is PHOENIX and no one can touch her. While trying to place Unicron on a universal scale which has been proven fasle and that he is a creation destroyer. You also claim that the Phoenix can not be destroyed well once again that is only true inside of Creation. You say that her powers are unlimited well that is untrue she is only a part of TOAA therefore not all powerful her powers have limits since she isn't the Source only part of it meaning that she can be overpowered since she has a power limit. She can not be reborn outside of Creation since she exerts no power ouside of it and has a power limit that can be exceeded. The only way she can possibly win is by summoning all of her power and destroy herself realiseing an explosin of all her being which still has never completely destroyed Unicron so that probably won't work. On the other hand Unicron will simply devour the Phoenix until she is nothing. Don't tell me she can resurrect herslef. The only time this has ever happened is when a part of the Phoenix is destroyed inside of Creation which means that there is still more left of her bu this fight isn't in Creation this fight would be beyond creation where all of the Phonex can be destroyed just think about it even when she destroys Creation she leaves it and destroys it from the White Hot Room where she is in no harm so to me that means she can be destroyed.
YOU SIT HERE AND TALK ABOT HOW PHOENIX GETS NO CREDIT ON THIS BOARD AND THAT OTHER PEOPLE AREN'T WILLING TO EXCEPT HER POWER PERHAPS IT'S TIME TO PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH AND GIVE CREDIT WHERE CREDIT IS DUE. UNICRON CAN BEAT THE PHOENIX AND IS MORE LIKELY TO BEAT HER THEN THE PHONEIX IS UNICRON.