Phoenix vs Unicron (Full power)

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
I enjoy civil threads like this. I learned, a couple of things about phoenix, Galac learned some things about unicron. Others learned about both.

You've made good points across the board, and I can tell you've read the comic. I was on 33rd street (next to the empire state building) yesterday and found a hardcover collection of the OG transformers series...flipped through it to make sure I remembered my facts correctly and most of what you have said is correct.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Basically, as a part of the natural cycle of creation, humanity evolves to a point of ultimate mutation(phoenix). When this happens all the abstracts are replaced by by these higher beings and humanity and creation is destroyed and these beings dissolved into the white hot room. Phoenix then begins the cycle of creation again.

Interesting, but in that theory wouldnt that mean that something (presence) was still above her?

In unicrons void..there was nothing. The presence was born out of his own carelessness leaving a bare sentient trace of reality. This in turn became primus who was one with all creation.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Does it say there is only one or is that what you're assumming? What company makes these comics?

The original series was by Marvel.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Interesting, but in that theory wouldnt that mean that something (presence) was still above her?

In unicrons void..there was nothing. The presence was born out of his own carelessness leaving a bare sentient trace of reality. This in turn became primus who was one with all creation.

TOAA is above Phoenix but thats to be expected because its God lol.

What company makes the comic unicron is in?

Is the Unicron we're talking about from the original series that Marvel made

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
The original series was by Marvel.

If the series is made by Marvel then its in another reality from the 616 universe. Unicron destroyed a universe leaving nothing behind. Because of this new revelation, while thats powerful, he doesnt compare to phoenix im afraid. Theyre in the same comic book company, he's within her multiverse.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
If the series is made by Marvel then its in another reality from the 616 universe. Unicron destroyed a universe leaving nothing behind. Because of this new revelation, while thats powerful, he doesnt compare to phoenix im afraid. Theyre in the same comic book company, he's within her multiverse.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
If the series is made by Marvel then its in another reality from the 616 universe. Unicron destroyed a universe leaving nothing behind. Because of this new revelation, while thats powerful, he doesnt compare to phoenix im afraid. Theyre in the same comic book company, he's within her multiverse.

While Marvel published the Transformers comics..there whole multiverse (yes thre was one...unicron himself proved it) it was totally separate from Marvels due to licensing restrictions.

She would be extremely toned down in their reality similar to the infinity gauntlet in DC's reality.

Hell, I wish they could have actually crossed over... Grimlock vs HULK!!! yea yeaaa!!! lol

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
While Marvel published the Transformers comics..there whole multiverse (yes thre was one...unicron himself proved it) it was totally separate from Marvels due to licensing restrictions.

She would be extremely toned down in their reality similar to the infinity gauntlet in DC's reality.

Hell, I wish they could have actually crossed over... Grimlock vs HULK!!! yea yeaaa!!! lol

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
While Marvel published the Transformers comics..there whole multiverse (yes thre was one...unicron himself proved it) it was totally separate from Marvels due to licensing restrictions.

She would be extremely toned down in their reality similar to the infinity gauntlet in DC's reality.

Hell, I wish they could have actually crossed over... Grimlock vs HULK!!! yea yeaaa!!! lol

How did Unicron prove it Av? At the end of the day he still just destroyed a reality leaving nothing behind. Impressive yes, but its not on the same level.

He proved by wiping out creation and being the only one left.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
How did Unicron prove it Av? At the end of the day he still just destroyed a reality leaving nothing behind. Impressive yes, but its not on the same level.

He looked through different realities as well as different timelines and was able to effortlessly travel between them. Of course he wasnt able to travel to regular marvel earth again to to licensing restrictions, just as phoenix cant go to any realities in the transformers universe.

I guess Hasbro is TOAA!! 😆

Originally posted by newjak86
He proved by wiping out creation and being the only one left.

That too.

Yeah but i like what you said to Av

Originally posted by newjak86
Yeah but i like what you said to Av

Technically, Marvel was part of the creation that was destroyed as well, since in Transformers issue#3 Spiderman (tried to) battle Megatron and had no chance.

Unfortunately, we have to forget that issue cause Marvel caught some heat for that one and the universes were seperated totally.

well then we have to disregard it then oh well. Unicron still detroyed his creation.

The universes might have been separated but the unicron you are talking about was from a time before that happened. He was a part of the Marvel multiverse, he destroyed a universe and was the sole thing left in that reality. Very powerful, that places Uni above Galactus and Eternity but theres nothing there to suggest he's more powerful than Phoenix.

Listen they were separated into different realities because the owner to the transformer rights didn't want them connected so they are two different Creations realilies meaning Unicron did destroy his creation before. the transformers world is sperate from Marvel and are only connected because Marvel published it but had no control over the characters and thats it. Marvel besides making the comics and possibly helping to come up with the stories have no power in Transformers realm. The transformer's comic could have easilt been done by DC as well and they have moved unto other publishers as well.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The universes might have been separated but the unicron you are talking about was from a time before that happened. He was a part of the Marvel multiverse, he destroyed a universe and was the sole thing left in that reality. Very powerful, that places Uni above Galactus and Eternity but theres nothing there to suggest he's more powerful than Phoenix.

By this theory, since its claimed he destroyed everything, then Marvel universe would have been included, since their was no multi/space/timelines left....thus birthing whatever being birthed phoenix and all the other abstracts.

Imagine all the inconsistencies that would have created. Problably why hasbro told them to pull out. Marvel did want the transformers in there originally though.

With all the current powering up, galvatron may have had the infinity gauntlet/matrix.