Phoenix vs Unicron (Full power)

Unicron can probably transform into an alternate form the while Phoenix can probably transform into a car, though Unicron is the consumer of everything he does not have have the control of matter, energy, time, and space at his disposal, though he can seemingly construct stuff through beams of energy. If Jean disassembles Unicron and then battles his conciousness on the astral plane, that might be a more interesting battle, since that was unicron's first existence, an astral life form, though she can alter her clothing like <snap> and make bigger boobs, she probably doesn't want to, ( she wouldn't want to be weighed down while flying) Just like if someone has the ability to do origami, it doesnt mean the want to

Thats the Unicron I've been argueing not the Robot but the Unicron at his strongest.
The boobs part was funny.

yea lol, I mean no one has delved into that fact that Unicron has an astral form, that adds so many facets to this battle. His mental powers were never really shown to their full extent so how would we know If what most of what these people are talking about is actually Unicron's full power, ha, BOOBS 😆

actually his Astral form was the same in the begining as his other one. He only exists as a robot now because he was tricked into a planet and was trapped even though he was winning Primus then sacrificed himself.
Yeah though many Phoenix people thought that Unicron had no chance right Phoenix Avatar9lol

Hey newjak, I didn't find the book but i went onto wikipedia and found this

Here, elements of the Fleer and Botcon stories are added and more new information is created to create another new origin for Primus and Unicron. The book again presents Primus and Unicron as brother heralds, existing as metal planetoids, here created by "The One", rather than the Allspark, sent into the new universe to explore. When Unicron fell to evil, he adapted his body to transform into a robot mode, and Primus was given the power to do so as well by the Allspark, but Primus preferred to remain in planet mode, connected to the universe on a planetary level. To operate his planetary-mode defenses and weapons, he created the first 13 Transformers, but one of them turned on the remaining twelve and sided with Unicron. In the final battle, Unicron and the traitor - The Fallen - were sucked through a black hole into another dimension. Subsequently, Primus settled his planet mode into orbit around Alpha Centauri, and bore the entire race of Transformers. Primus is alleged to have seeded many worlds across the multiverse (an explanation for his existence in assorted continuities), while Unicron is considered to be one singular being, who travels from universe to universe. While not a repellent concept, the story requires the adjustment of and dismissal of some facts from earlier stories (particularly the G1 cartoon) to make it universally correct.

I think that is where most of the confusion came from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primus_(Transformers) hope that helps, Oh, what would I do without my beloved wikipedia <hug>

But it says Fleer and Botcon stories are added and more new information is created to create another new origin for Primus and Unicron. Meaning that this is a new story and not the orginal. The original is more like this:
Unicron was a "fallen god" possessed of "power beyond measure," whose main drive was his near-insatiable hunger. Feeding on entire star systems, he continued his task unhindered until he eventually succeeded in devouring the entire universe. At this point, he fell into a sleep, his hunger finally appeased.

However, a single fragment of that universe was able to escape the destruction, and, being sentient, this fragment was able to use Unicron's sleep to its advantage. During this time, it rebuilt the universe without waking Unicron, and transformed its sentient core into a protector for the new universe: Primus. Unicron eventually woke and immediately began destroying the universe again. Primus fought back, but it became clear that brute force was insufficient against him. Primus then took the battle into the astral plain, but Unicron overwhelmed him there as well. In an act of desperation, Primus suddenly left the astral plain with Unicron in close pursuit. Intent as he was on destroying Primus, Unicron didn't realize that he was being led into a trap. As a result of the act, both minds were trapped inside planetoids.

Soon, Unicron realized that he could psionically shape the metallic mass of the planet he occupied. In time, he changed it into a planet with the following capabilities: devouring whole planets and processing them into energy, independent space flight, nonlinear timestream access, psionic manipulation of metallic masses in the immediate vicinity (down to an atomic level), and transformation into a humanoid mode. Once able to do so, he again journeyed the universe devouring everything in his way.

Meanwhile, Primus had converted his own planet into Cybertron, on which he created the Transformers, intended to be the universe's last line of defense against Unicron. He then allowed them to evolve naturally while he shut himself down to avoid detection from Unicron.
There is never mention of the Allspark ever in the orginal story.
This could just be another stroy tothe newer transformers like trnasmorfers energon which have gotten a lot more religious like over the years. I still go by the orginal. Altough I do feel that the newer one is better since it is a view I think transformers should have been like all along.

I hate continuity and retcon issues! 😠 , they're soo confusing, especially if u hav threads like these

I know especially when your argueing over different cosmic beings that are considered possibly the most powerfull creatures in thier respective universes.

I know, It's like the football, soccer, and basketball captains are painting a mural, whose is the best? 1. uneven playing fields 2. different scales make it hard to compare. I just wanna adopt a Cambodian child named Maddox and call it a day 🍺 😖leep:

You do that I hope I at least made you think that the possibility of Phoenix being beaten was an option

Originally posted by newjak86
You do that I hope I at least made you think that the possibility of Phoenix being beaten was an option

You've done well Newjak... worked damn hard in this thread... 💃

Unicrons feat is one I've never seen in a comic. He killed everything...including every other being/god/essence and existed in nearly pure nothingness.

I've never seen any other being do that.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
You've done well Newjak... worked damn hard in this thread... 💃

Unicrons feat is one I've never seen in a comic. He killed everything...including every other being/god/essence and existed in nearly pure nothingness.

I've never seen any other being do that.

Its something that Phoenix does all the time as part of the cycle of creation.

Thank you sir for awhile there i thought I was fighting a loosing battle but i never lost faith.
Anyway yeah I did work hard trying to hold the fort so do I get a promotion.
Oh man when I first saw that someone replied to this thread i was like Galatic Storm again time to take action again but I'm glad it was just you. 😆 💃

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Its something that Phoenix does all the time as part of the cycle of creation.

Wait a minute. Unicron as stated by yourself devoured the entire universe. Thats different to devouring creation im afraid.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Its something that Phoenix does all the time as part of the cycle of creation.

Does she kill LT and all the other cosmics while doing so?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Wait a minute. Unicron as stated by yourself devoured the entire universe. Thats different to devouring creation im afraid.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Does she kill LT and all the other cosmics while doing so?

Basically, as a part of the natural cycle of creation, humanity evolves to a point of ultimate mutation(phoenix). When this happens all the abstracts are replaced by by these higher beings and humanity and creation is destroyed and these beings dissolved into the white hot room. Phoenix then begins the cycle of creation again.

Originally posted by newjak86
Thank you sir for awhile there i thought I was fighting a loosing battle but i never lost faith.
Anyway yeah I did work hard trying to hold the fort so do I get a promotion.
Oh man when I first saw that someone replied to this thread i was like Galatic Storm again time to take action again but I'm glad it was just you. 😆 💃

I enjoy civil threads like this. I learned, a couple of things about phoenix, Galac learned some things about unicron. Others learned about both.

You've made good points across the board, and I can tell you've read the comic. I was on 33rd street (next to the empire state building) yesterday and found a hardcover collection of the OG transformers series...flipped through it to make sure I remembered my facts correctly and most of what you have said is correct.

Originally posted by newjak86
In Unicron's world that equals Creation there are no parallel univeres there is only the one. And the cycle continues

Does it say there is only one or is that what you're assumming? What company makes these comics?