Speculation: Who is R.A.B. ????? (Spoiler Alert)

Originally posted by zombieman
I think Dumbledore instructed Snape to kill him, in the tower after he had drunk the potion he asks Harry to fetch Snape. I think Dumbledore wanted Snape to kill him to save Draco Malfoy, Dumbledore could see that Malfoy was innocent and didn't want to become a killer. I think Dumbledore knew his time was up soon anyway, and when he heard how Voldemort was using Malfoy, he instructed Snape to make the unbreakable bond.

I cant believe how many people are saying that Snape is still a good guy, and that he killed Dumbledore for Harry. Come on, he killed dumbledore, he is a death eater, he tipped off voldemort about the prophecy, and everything.

I'm surprised no one has noticed a key factor in this. My mum noticed it before I did. Does anyone recall the conversation Harry overheard between Dumbledore and Snape? The one stating something along the lines of, "I don't want to do this....." "You must see it through Severus"
This leads me to believe that Snape is indeed still working for Dumbledore. Dumbledore already knew what Malfoy was up to long before he reached the boy. Not to mention the intense amount of stalling he had done to just sit and wait for Snape and the Death Eaters rather than go after them, or find some other way to stop Malfoy. Not to mention the fact that he immobilized Harry. To say that he had immobilized him because of the other DE is ridiculous. Dumbledore has seen Harry face DE before, he knows that Harry could have held his own. However, if Dumbledore did not want Harry to stop Snape, there would have been a very good reason for him immobilizing him. He knew that Harry would want to kill Snape, knew that Harry would not understand fully, and thus, stopped him from making the attempt.
Also, make note of the mini-duel between Snape and Harry when Snape was running away. True, Snape was not allowed to kill Harry, but that is not to say he was not allowed to injure him or cause any form of harm to him. Why didn't he then? Why did he just block everything Harry threw at him, and then in a last ditch effort, just tossed him backwards without any real harm? I think Dumbledore did indeed want to save Malfoy, I also think there was mroe to why he would have planned his own death. Another quick point, this being about the vow, if you noticed, Snape was very hesitant to make it anyway. This could be because of what it entailed, but it could also be because he was still working for Dumbledore. I don't think it's safe to rule him out as a good guy yet.

All these are good ideas.. but i still think Snape is bad.

oops. I messed up. It was Hagrid whom overheard the conversation. Anyway, here's the exact line

"Well, I jus' heard Snape sayin' Dumbledore took too much fer granted an' maybe he- Snape- didn' wan' ter do it anymore... Dumbledore told him flat out he'd agreed ter do it an' that was all there was to it."

Hi, anyone remember the scene in OotP where they're cleaning out Sirius' house, and they mention a large gold locket that no one can open? It's in the scene with the megical music box that lulls everyone into a stuper before Ginny closes it.

Sorry if this has been mentioned before, but I didn't read through all the posts.

Yeah I remember... I think that just might be the horcrux...

😄 oh yeah 😉

It isn't the horcrux. Sirius would have mentioned it didn't belong to family or something. He despised his family, and would have gotten rid of it right away. And Kreatcher would take it, but Sirius would have eventully found it and thrown it away. What I'm getting at is the locket belongs to the Blacks, not the Slytherin's, and that Black isn't related to Slytherin, the Dark Lord is. The locket had an S it think on it, and Sirius would have said that it wasn't his, and I doubt he would have it thrown out. It would have looked suspicous if it didn't have the Black family crest on it.

Originally posted by Saratn
It isn't the horcrux. Sirius would have mentioned it didn't belong to family or something. He despised his family, and would have gotten rid of it right away. And Kreatcher would take it, but Sirius would have eventully found it and thrown it away. What I'm getting at is the locket belongs to the Blacks, not the Slytherin's, and that Black isn't related to Slytherin, the Dark Lord is. The locket had an S it think on it, and Sirius would have said that it wasn't his, and I doubt he would have it thrown out. It would have looked suspicous if it didn't have the Black family crest on it.

^ for the first time ever i agree with you there

< sirius had been locked away fr 13 yrs so how would he know what his relative where bringing into the house and for wot reason and dont think ever item of value in the black family household has o have the cresent on

ya i totally agree with that whole locket thing, its definitly suspicious. and Himo Kun, the actual quote from Lupin is "im suprised he stayed alive for even a year after deserting the death eaters; sirius' brothers regulus only managed a few days as far as i can remember." its on page 103. i definitly think that theres more to snape than what we know. JK's definitly going to throw in some twists about him before the end.

Originally posted by TheSun
Totally disagree, if Regulus stole the locket, it's obviously going to end up in his house. Sirius was only here for a shory whie, and he didn't know what was being thrown out, he missed loads of things.

i agree

I thought, as i was reading the book, that harry is one of the final horcurx and i also belive snap is still good and that DD knew couldn't help Harry anymore

Not true. He's been stuck their since Dumbledore told Mcgonnagal about getting the old people back together, until he died. I'm sure he would have noticed if something was their that didn't belong, and he would have told somebody if he thought it was suspicious. My point being, is that Regulus wouldn't be that stupid to put the horcrux their (if it was him that is) the Dark Lord would be able to get to it easily. Surely he would have some connection to the horcruxes if he split his soul into them.

If it is in Sirius's house, i bet Mundangus stole it.

I doubt he did. Harry made it clear that he'll kill him if he was to steal anything else. If anyone was to steal it, it would have been Kreatcher.

I dunno Mundugus might have been stealing things for a long time before Harry found out. For all we know he might have already sold it to someone. and if Mundungus already sold it, it could already be back in the dark lords hands. and if kreatcher stole it, it might be back in voldie's hands too.

Good theory but I don't think that's possible. Someone would have noticed if he was stealing something from the house. And Kreatcher wouldn't give up anything that was in the Black's house.

Originally posted by ladygrim
^ for the first time ever i agree with you there

< sirius had been locked away fr 13 yrs so how would he know what his relative where bringing into the house and for wot reason and dont think ever item of value in the black family household has o have the cresent on

Originally posted by Saratn
[mundungus] didn't steal [sirius'] things until he was dead.

I agree with you there, but do we know how long until after sirius was dead that mundungus started stealing stuff?