Doc Ock Vs Wolverine

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Wolverine can't move faster than the eye can see though, thats one bad example.

"snatch the pebble from my hand."

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Ock grabs wolverine and he loses, he's not dodging four tentacles.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
And to beat you at your own game, spiderman has trouble with them.

"Spiderman can dodge machine gun fire, but doc Oc's tenticles that have a described speed less than bullets."

Sounds kind of contrived doesn't it?

Considering he has to get close... no.

Wolverine isn't faster than the tentacles, he can be outdistanced, and he can be smashed with cars, one grab, and wolvies done...

You can make ock stupid, but he's not...

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Considering he has to get close... no.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Wolverine isn't faster than the tentacles, he can be outdistanced, and he can be smashed with cars, one grab, and wolvies done...

How about if Doc oc starts out with his tenticles and himself bound in Adamantium chains. . . hows that for an environmental advantage?

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
You can make ock stupid, but he's not...

Originally posted by Creshosk
No he doesn't. He doesn't have to come within grabbing range of the tenticles. . . the tenticles have to come within clawing range of wolverine though.

Oh, so now there are cars, giveing doc the enviromental advantage?

How about if Doc oc starts out with his tenticles and himself bound in Adamantium chains. . . hows that for an environmental advantage?

You can make Wolverine stupid, but he's not...

No to fully disable them wolverine's getting close, too bad ock has range.

Stop giving wolverine new powers, cars are just ONE of the many options, including being on a wall, its okay to see wolverine lose to a spiderman foe.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
No to fully disable them wolverine's getting close, too bad ock has range.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Stop giving wolverine new powers, cars are just ONE of the many options, including being on a wall, its okay to see wolverine lose to a spiderman foe.

Please like thats happening, when wolverine SLASHES, he puts his weight on one side of his body to ready himself, he HAS to recover from his previous attack.

Guess whats happening then in that moment? I'll leave that up to you to figure out, because you and I both know he can fake him with one, then grab, one tentacle is a modest sacrifice.

you know ......I started looking at this fight from a martial artist perspective...I just realized something....if doctor octopus grabs wolverine , his chances of winning go down, not up.
stay with me here a sec. Think of grabbing someone....you grab , say their hand....you have instantly given up one of your weapons yet they still have all of theirs, because that limb is not completly immobilized...now imagine grabbing a guy with knives in each hand with one of your hands.....all you have done is stop one of you limbs from moving and made it a stationary target for the other knife hand......virtually guaranteeing a hit.....

anyway not that it matters , just pointing out doc would do better trying to pummel him than grapple him despite being stronger...

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Please like thats happening, when wolverine SLASHES, he puts his weight on one side of his body to ready himself, he HAS to recover from his previous attack.

Guess whats happening then in that moment? I'll leave that up to you to figure out, because you and I both know he can fake him with one, then grab, one tentacle is a modest sacrifice.

He can still keep at a distence and slash away at the tenticles, slashing chunks off. . once he's destroyed the "hands"/"claws" then Doc oc can't grab him. . .

Originally posted by Lord-of-Dreams
I's funny... you don't really need to say it. Logan has human level speed, agility, etc... He is physically human. How is he gonna even didge two cars?? I see him rolling away from one car... into another!! Also, what if Ock is smart and runs up (on his superfast tentys, of course) and just slams Logan into the ground. And even if you refuse to accept that Dock moves faster, in order to get away fast enough, he'd have to turn his back. Now, if he turns around, it's over. Ock just whips the car at his back. The second Wolverine hits the ground, it's done.

again where are all these cars coming from?

anyways...hulk threw half a dozen cars at logan all where in midair before hitting the ground.....logan avoided all of them.....hulk threw a handful of tree truncks at logan at one time...logan avoided all of them....get the pattern?

Originally posted by Lord-of-Dreams
when did wolverine beat galactus?? when did he become a harold?? when did he even enter Ock's league??

probably about the same time he beat ock....

Originally posted by Lord-of-Dreams
No...
1. The tentacles are faster than Wolverine's HUMAN arms.
2. Ock's not just sticking out his Tent's and sitting there watching
3. What if they all go at the same time?? Logan can only chop so fast, man.

based on what?

the time wolverine beat him?

Originally posted by LGodamus
hmm one more post for the hell of it.

you guys say that docs tentacles are way to fast to dodge ,right? And somewhere waaaaaaay back in this thread I posted that the listed speed for docs tentacles isnt all you are making it out to be....as a matter or fact there are REAL people, pro kickboxers , that can kick almost 25-30% faster than Ocks tentacles...hmmm weird ....So what you are sayin is a guy like Logan, a peak human, cant dodge attacks that are technically slower than a fit man can thow? I am failing to see the logic here... Yes Wolverine will be hurt if he gets hit, but he is not gonna be gettin hit all that much if you look at the figures...also Doc Ock is not a trained fighter which means, among other things that unless he is a truly gifted natural fighter then he will fall into the same pitfalls that all mediocre talented fighters do.....pressing false advantages, falling into repetative pattern, failing to take into account angling of attacks and falling for deceptive movements.....all of which a person of logans combat experience will capitalize upon...BECAUSE he knows he is physically outmatched.....wolverine knows he cant do his usual sloppy crap and fall back on healing factor here....this is a dangerous opponent that holds alot of cards on him...he would step it back up to his old level where he actually moved out of the way of attacks rather than taking them on the chin.

i like this guy....

Originally posted by Creshosk
In Wolverine #182, half a dozen guys were pointing guns at Logan. Logan moved his arm so quickly that they couldn't see it; a few seconds later, the guns fell apart.

this is exactly the example I was talking about cord...the guys didn't even see logans arm swipe the guns....

Originally posted by LGodamus
you know ......I started looking at this fight from a martial artist perspective...I just realized something....if doctor octopus grabs wolverine , his chances of winning go down, not up.
stay with me here a sec. Think of grabbing someone....you grab , say their hand....you have instantly given up one of your weapons yet they still have all of theirs, because that limb is not completly immobilized...now imagine grabbing a guy with knives in each hand with one of your hands.....all you have done is stop one of you limbs from moving and made it a stationary target for the other knife hand......virtually guaranteeing a hit.....

anyway not that it matters , just pointing out doc would do better trying to pummel him than grapple him despite being stronger...

yeah, me too!

punk

Originally posted by LGodamus
you know ......I started looking at this fight from a martial artist perspective...I just realized something....if doctor octopus grabs wolverine , his chances of winning go down, not up.
stay with me here a sec. Think of grabbing someone....you grab , say their hand....you have instantly given up one of your weapons yet they still have all of theirs, because that limb is not completly immobilized...now imagine grabbing a guy with knives in each hand with one of your hands.....all you have done is stop one of you limbs from moving and made it a stationary target for the other knife hand......virtually guaranteeing a hit.....

anyway not that it matters , just pointing out doc would do better trying to pummel him than grapple him despite being stronger...

If he grabs him from the wrists, how is he going to slash the tentacles? He has no leverage. 😕

Originally posted by jinzin
i like this guy....

Yeah, me too, he makes good points, not just: "Wolverine has defeated Hulk, he can automatically defeat anybody" points.

Or "Wolverine can move with the speed of sound" points.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Because wolverine can't fight two people at once. Only spiderman can do that!

He can still keep at a distence and slash away at the tenticles, slashing chunks off. . once he's destroyed the "hands"/"claws" then Doc oc can't grab him. . .

You are still bitter about spiderman being superior to wolverine in every way, and your assumptions are on crap writing.

When did wolverine sit back and start fighting defensively like batman?
Oh I get it, he does now to suit your argument.

Why in the hell would Ock sit back, and just attack when he can wait for wolverine to get close? He HAS the priority.

Originally posted by LGodamus
you know ......I started looking at this fight from a martial artist perspective...I just realized something....if doctor octopus grabs wolverine , his chances of winning go down, not up.
stay with me here a sec. Think of grabbing someone....you grab , say their hand....you have instantly given up one of your weapons yet they still have all of theirs, because that limb is not completly immobilized...now imagine grabbing a guy with knives in each hand with one of your hands.....all you have done is stop one of you limbs from moving and made it a stationary target for the other knife hand......virtually guaranteeing a hit.....

anyway not that it matters , just pointing out doc would do better trying to pummel him than grapple him despite being stronger...

Of course, we must realize that ock loses no balance or anything when he grabs, he does so freely.

Aslo once wolverine's leverage is gone, then he loses, he HAS almost no control, he's like a flailing child.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Yeah, me too, he makes good points, not just: "Wolverine has defeated Hulk, he can automatically defeat anybody" points.

Or "Wolverine can move with the speed of sound" points.

I agree, he actually uses logic in a hypothetical argument, reminds me of me and MMX and xmarksthespot, and darkcrawler.