The so called "Most Powerful Sith Lord Ever"

Originally posted by Aduruth
id say Vader becuase without anakin/vader sidious would be nothing, so id say they are tied for first, vader more intune w/the force (d side though) ans sidious with the saber, or visca versa, depending what generation fought wich one. like anny vs old sid, or old vader vs young sid.

Originally posted by Clawed The Bum
first of all the person that said that--- marknos ragnos > tulak hord> ......... exar kun> revan....... > sidiuos--- dont know crap. acording to that scale if you continue on it it would be--- exar kun> revan > malak > all the other sith lords after it including revan. so that is crap and you should slap your self for saying that.

You should better read postings before giving some comment, idiot. You should slap yourself for not doing so.

And by the way: Ask some people if Revan is the strongest Sith Lord ever. If they actualy posess a little bit of knowledge they will tell you that Ragnos, Sadow, Nadd, Hord (for sure) and Exar Kun (maybe) will kill Revan in a duel.

secoundly when has sidiuos showed us that he is weak in dueling? he may not be as good dueling as force user but he is only posibly the best force user that ever lived. that is why he tried to use the force against yoda and he knew that he would win. ( which of course he did)

a) He feared Yoda.
b) He won because he was lucky.
c) The best force user that ever lived ? Muhaha... NJO Luke would destroy him and any of the ancient Sith Lords would do that too.

first of all the person that said that--- marknos ragnos > tulak hord> ......... exar kun> revan....... > sidiuos--- dont know crap. acording to that scale if you continue on it it would be--- exar kun> revan > malak > all the other sith lords after it including revan. so that is crap and you should slap your self for saying that.

Wow, you sure dish out the insults fast.

It's not a scale. It's the chronology of the Sith line.

And what's wrong if it is Kun>Revan>Malak>Revan? It just means that Revan had two tries at being Sith Lord with an intermission; hardly anything to blow a fuse about.

secoundly when has sidiuos showed us that he is weak in dueling? he may not be as good dueling as force user but he is only posibly the best force user that ever lived. that is why he tried to use the force against yoda and he knew that he would win. ( which of course he did)

The guy that needs to build a damn death start to blow up Aldaraan is somehow greater in the force than a guy that can crush stars (Sadow), or a guy that can change worlds (Nadd), or a guy that can freeze the Senate (Kun). You sure seem to have your priorities mixed up.

Exar Kun? And sorry for Leia. She could have been. Take her out. BUt Exar Kun? Do you know he is? Out of all the people on the list, you choose to argue about Kun?

Oh don't worry, Darth Windu, he obviously doesn't seem to consider making stars go supernova and walking into places and freezing hundreds of people a nice feat with the force.

Definately. Hm. Back to regarding Revan's crowning... Nai, you are including only the Sith lords we know. The Sith Empire is, last time I checked, 100,000 years old. In reference to what, I don't quite remember at this point. But the point is the line of Sith lords (Quoted from the Star Wars Encyclopedia as being "unbroken until the time of Sadow"😉 must have been long. Any resting Sith lord with enough clout could recognize Revan as a successor. And since the Sith have a habit of building tombs for their greatest, to preserve their spirit, it's very likely that at least a fraction of those sith lords still exist.

Janus makes a very good point.

On the other hand Janus unless the knowledge was lost (very possible) The sith Lord that would have crowned Revan would not have been that amazing, I mean he sure as hell isn't known off to well. That hardly means anything he could have been far more powerful then Marka Ragnos but just forgotten about or the records of his history destroyed but still.

Why does everyone underestimate Sids I mean he could even beat Yoda. I know Yoda can't beat Revan but we all know that fight would go on for a long time. So if he can do that well against Revan then he might even win againt Exar Kun.

No. He would never beat Exar. Ever.

Did you see how well Yoda fights against Count Dooku one of the greatset Duelists of all time? Also I believe Yoda could defeat Ulic who fought Exar Kun to a standstill. So if Yoda is that powerful do you think Sids is if he can defeat him?

You overestimate Yoda and Sidious. Yoda is not a Sith Lord. Yes, he would defeat Ulic, maybe. But Exar? Never a chance in hell.

Exar became far more powerful after that fight, after he became DLOS. Yoda and Sidious might be able to kill a pre-Sith version of him, but after his crowning by Marka Ragnos? NO.

Originally posted by Fishy
Janus makes a very good point.

On the other hand Janus unless the knowledge was lost (very possible) The sith Lord that would have crowned Revan would not have been that amazing, I mean he sure as hell isn't known off to well. That hardly means anything he could have been far more powerful then Marka Ragnos but just forgotten about or the records of his history destroyed but still.

I had a whole response typed out and I hit some button and it poofed. I hate that.

Anyways, like real history, EU history is predominately scattered accounts, often from one source. I won't go so far as to say Revan was a legit Sith lord, but I will say one cannot rule it out based on what we know.

I mean, the list of Sith lords during this extended time period was lprobably larger than the entire roster of PT jedi. Consider that much.

OK.. this is how you end this Discussion.. Sidious is not SITH!

Sith is a Race! NOt stupid people like Count Dickhead and Sidious.
I hate Darth Bane for that Rule by two thing... because it's dumb.. there are not Sith lords... There are Dark Jedi who study sith Teachings but that's it...

Naga Sadow was the Greatest SITH ever.

Thats hardly how you end a discussion thats just a foolish statement.

Originally posted by Darth_Janus
I had a whole response typed out and I hit some button and it poofed. I hate that.

Anyways, like real history, EU history is predominately scattered accounts, often from one source. I won't go so far as to say Revan was a legit Sith lord, but I will say one cannot rule it out based on what we know.

I mean, the list of Sith lords during this extended time period was lprobably larger than the entire roster of PT jedi. Consider that much.

Oh I know that, and I know that he could very well be declared a Sith Lord by a Lord of the Sith, i'm just doubting the power of one that could have possibly done it.

Well, since all we have is hearsay and half-accounts of the others, who's to say the Dark Lord or Lady who gave Revan the title wasn't the strongest? Perhaps Revan was given the title and sent back from the Unknown Regions to conquer the Republic for a still-living Sith lord or lady? We might never know.

Could very well be. Like I said it could be that he was more powerful then Ragnos but still we have no proof on any of it, just assumptions.

And making assumptions to make other assumptions seem more possible isn't really a good thing to do.

Originally posted by Nai Fohl
You should better read postings before giving some comment, idiot. You should slap yourself for not doing so.

And by the way: Ask some people if Revan is the strongest Sith Lord ever. If they actualy posess a little bit of knowledge they will tell you that Ragnos, Sadow, Nadd, Hord (for sure) and Exar Kun (maybe) will kill Revan in a duel.

a) He [b]feared Yoda.
b) He won because he was lucky.
c) The best force user that ever lived ? Muhaha... NJO Luke would destroy him and any of the ancient Sith Lords would do that too. [/B]

A) Yes he feared Yoda. Darth Sidious is a manipulative coward. He just took over the damn galaxy and had the Jedi Order wiped out. And then you see the granddaddy Jedi Master himself walk into your throne room - why stay and fight when you can risk dying? But Sidious did and both were evenly matched. Otherwise Yoda would've owned him and killed him. He did neither.

B) Nope. He wasn't lucky. It was a move made by Yoda which caused Sidious's victory. Yoda threw the lightning back at Sidious, and was thrown in return. It was actually stupidity on Yoda's part.

C) NJO Luke would obliterate just about everyone in one-on-one combat. Revan, Yoda, Sidious, Malak, Windu. All would bite the big one if they tried to take Luke on.

A) He feared Yoda because he knew he would lose from him in a fair fight, he tried to gain the upper hand in the fight and did.

B) That whats I would call lucky Yoda obviously did not expect the results, Sidious was lucky that it happened.

C) Based on absolutely nothing but loving him. Luke would not obliterate anybody, he would probably lose from a shit load of people.

Originally posted by Talos Naga
OK.. this is how you end this Discussion.. Sidious is not SITH!

Sith is a Race! NOt stupid people like Count Dickhead and Sidious.
I hate Darth Bane for that Rule by two thing... because it's dumb.. there are not Sith lords... There are Dark Jedi who study sith Teachings but that's it...

Naga Sadow was the Greatest SITH ever.

Originally posted by Darth Somebody
A) Yes he feared Yoda. Darth Sidious is a manipulative coward. He just took over the damn galaxy and had the Jedi Order wiped out. And then you see the granddaddy Jedi Master himself walk into your throne room - why stay and fight when you can risk dying? But Sidious did and both were evenly matched. Otherwise Yoda would've owned him and killed him. He did neither.

B) Nope. He wasn't lucky. It was a move made by Yoda which caused Sidious's victory. Yoda threw the lightning back at Sidious, and was thrown in return. It was actually stupidity on Yoda's part.

C) NJO Luke would obliterate just about everyone in one-on-one combat. Revan, Yoda, Sidious, Malak, Windu. All would bite the big one if they tried to take Luke on.

A) Yeah, he feared Yoda. Who wouldn't in that time period. He'd just spent his entire life taking over the galaxy and bringing back the Sith. I don't think he'd want to die right away.

B) He wasn't lucky, really. He was smart. He sought the high ground and used it to his advantage. And you're right. Yoda was stupid. The smart thing to do would have been to stand there, get electrocuted, and get thrown a few hundred meters to his death. Oh yeah, that'd be great.

C) And Luke would not obliterate anyone. Revan would give him the fight of his life, Exar would probably kill him, and Ragnos would pummel him.

Originally posted by Fishy
Janus makes a very good point.

On the other hand Janus unless the knowledge was lost (very possible) The sith Lord that would have crowned Revan would not have been that amazing, I mean he sure as hell isn't known off to well. That hardly means anything he could have been far more powerful then Marka Ragnos but just forgotten about or the records of his history destroyed but still.

The thing is, you don't know. We have our very limited account of SW history by virtue of a few EU writers, but that's just that, until we have the entire compendium written, or until they create an actively immersed SW universe, you don't know. Simply because the author's haven't written about a past Sith Lord, doesn't mean he wasn't great. In that same whim, simply because a novel has not been written detailing Marka Ragnos and Naga Sadow, does not mean they are not powerful.

You have to realize that our knowledge of the SW universe is extremely limited and fragmented, what we DON'T know can not be used to assume something. We can not assume that since we don't know other Sith Lord's names, they were not important or powerful.

Who knew about Revan before KotOR? Exactly.