Nai, I'd just like to point out: Revan's acquiring of the Sith title isn't verified. He left known space and returned a full-fledged Sith lord. For all we know, he wrested the title from some Sith ruler beyond the Outer Rim. Point being, with him, the validity of his title as being handed down or "properly" awarded is in question, but is not unrealistic.
Tyranus is my personal favorite followed by maul..... but i wont give them the title of most powerful sith. but i dont think they get enough credit......they all died because of really bad reasons so we dont excatly know of what wuld happen if they were still alive. but heres my view on the matter of maul and tyranus(feel free to disagree):
Maul
if he hadnt been arrogant at the end of the battle and jus finished obi-wan off when he had the chance, i belive there is a slight possiblity that anakin perhaps wuld have never been trained, but then again because of his wonderous exploits on naboo i belive he wuld been trained by who i dont know....and if any better than obiwan wuld have it jus depends. as the future of the sith with maul and sidious.....well he wuld have continued maul's training but. im not sure of his plans for a clone army. when maul was killed, sidious had to improvise. so the questions of the sith is: what were sidious plans before maul was killed?
Count Dooku
well not many agree but thats only because they havent read the book on the movie, but it is true that Dooku lost to anakin on purpose, he was told by his master to only kill obi wan. i suppose he thought he had him down when he threw him across the throne room and made a balcony collapse on him. im not sure about that. as for his death, Palpatine's plans were different than what he had told dooku the. the real plan was to have him killed of by anakin. palpatine knew he was powerful but not enough to beat dooku with all his age and experience. the thought of having the choosen one on the dark side is probably btter than having an 80 yr old dark jedi master. Well why make the trade for anakin and dooku when dooku is still better? well anakin's exploits are many and he was very powerful at such a young age. all he need was more time training and experience and he wuld be great. palpatine said himself that dooku was a necessary loss, and that anakin wuld become more powerful then himself.and besides if the prophecy is true about anakin then he had to turn him to the dark side, for the fate of himself and the sith.
but now heres the thing. what wuld happen if dooku didnt hold back and jus killed both of them off. with the choosen one dead and the great general obi wan gone. all palpatine has to do is iniatie order 66. and lets be real palpatine can take on the enitre jedi council. no sweat... as can dooku can kill of all the jedi in the temple, of course with the help of the clones.
(takes a breath) ok now i know some if not most of you are gonna disagree but what im saying from all of this is that dooku and maul havent really had a big chance to shine, or just flat out blew it (maul)
and well we havent really seen them enough, so i think i wuld throw maul and dooku a bone and say that there up there with the anicent sith lords. it even said in wikipedia that dooku and/or NJO luke were second to Tulak hord in sheer lightsaber skill. it really makes me mad because i thought maul was great.....but is seems as though nobody likes him anymore, and his name jus gets tossed around like trash.
Originally posted by Darth_Janus
Nai, I'd just like to point out: Revan's acquiring of the Sith title isn't verified. He left known space and returned a full-fledged Sith lord. For all we know, he wrested the title from some Sith ruler beyond the Outer Rim. Point being, with him, the validity of his title as being handed down or "properly" awarded is in question, but is not unrealistic.
Well...
It's quite debateable. Who should have given him the title of a Dark Lord ? Sadow is dead, Nadd also (and his spirit is destroyed) and Exar Kuns spirit is on Yavin 4. That leaves Ragnos.
But we know that Ajunta Pall didn't recognize Revan to be the Dark Lord when he came across Ajuntas tomb. And Revan came to visit Ragnos tomb also, and I guess Ragnos should have given him a hint that he is the Dark Lord there if that title was "officialy" given to him.
For all we know Revan only visited Korriban and Malachor V. At this point the capital of the Sith Empire is already moved to Ziost. And the only Dark Lord who ever visited that place (as far as we know) was Sidious.
Originally posted by Fishy
Actually Pall seems to remember Revan when Revan comes to the tomb probably for the second time. Its very possible that Ajunta gave Revan the title of Dark Lord of the Sith. If he did is another thing however.
Hmm...possible but very unlikely. Pall had the wish to become one with the force and he wanted Revan to remove his sword from the tomb to do so. If Revan did come across the tomb earlier, why shouldn't he have taken the sword or (other possibility) why didn't Ajunta attack him that time. I don't think that Ajunta developed the wish to become one with the force in the two years from Revans first search for the Star Forge to the second one in KotoR.
And for the other theory: If Revan ever visited the real Sith Empire before he lost his memories why should he go and "search" for it, already knowing where it was (since he recovered his memories in the end of KotoR) ? And why should he fight it, when he - officialy - already has the title of the Dark Lord. He could command the Sith around as he likes.
Maybe thats what we did, we know he went to the real Sith what he did there is unknown. But yeah its pretty unlikely that somebody gave Revan the title of Dark Lord. Still its far from imposible they were gone for a very long time. And Ragnos could have done it, he did it before. Kun could have done it although I doubt it. Its kinda hard to debate about this however because we just can not know.
And about Ajunta he looked confused as hell, he hardly has a memory. He can't even remember two years ago just barely. I don't really think it thats unlikely that he changed the way he feels in such a short time.
Originally posted by Darth_Janus
Nai, I'd just like to point out: Revan's acquiring of the Sith title isn't verified. He left known space and returned a full-fledged Sith lord. For all we know, he wrested the title from some Sith ruler beyond the Outer Rim. Point being, with him, the validity of his title as being handed down or "properly" awarded is in question, but is not unrealistic.
Revan is a self-proclaimed Sith Lord, but well deserving of the title, having plundered tons of Sith knowledge from Malachor V and being more than powerful enough.
I do believe Sidious was the greatest, and one of the most powerful Sith lords ever. I believe he could have shown the might that Revan and Malak did back in their times, however, Sidious knew that a direct assault on the Republic would not likely be successful. Therefore, he used the corruption and conquered the Republic from within. Only this way could the Sith bring down the Republic. Had Palpatine have raised an army and attacked, it would have been quite a fight, but ultimately it would have ended up like KOTOR with the Sith being defeated and the Republic triumphant.
first of all the person that said that--- marknos ragnos > tulak hord> ......... exar kun> revan....... > sidiuos--- dont know crap. acording to that scale if you continue on it it would be--- exar kun> revan > malak > all the other sith lords after it including revan. so that is crap and you should slap your self for saying that.
secoundly when has sidiuos showed us that he is weak in dueling? he may not be as good dueling as force user but he is only posibly the best force user that ever lived. that is why he tried to use the force against yoda and he knew that he would win. ( which of course he did)
thirdly no not everyone here bieleves that sidiuos is a coward( p.s. probably you will say every with a brain agrees like you did before , yes i mean you fishy)
Originally posted by beedubayaYou're not the first to say this. Most people have noticed this, it was the basis for the entire prequel, including Naboo's invasion, if you work it out.
I do believe Sidious was the greatest, and one of the most powerful Sith lords ever. I believe he could have shown the might that Revan and Malak did back in their times, however, Sidious knew that a direct assault on the Republic would not likely be successful. Therefore, he used the corruption and conquered the Republic from within. Only this way could the Sith bring down the Republic. Had Palpatine have raised an army and attacked, it would have been quite a fight, but ultimately it would have ended up like KOTOR with the Sith being defeated and the Republic triumphant.