Originally posted by long pig
Strange:Namor-yep
Spiderman-yep
Venom-yep
Carnage-yep
Taskmaster-yep
Elecktra-yep
Daredevil-yep
Dock Ock-yep
Sandman-yep
Hydroman-yep
Omega Red-yep
Sabretooth-yep
Mr. x-yep
Cyclops-yep
Xavier-yep
Magneto-yep
Nightcrawler-yep
Ryu-yep
Ken-yep
Bison-yep
Akuma-yep
Iron Man-yep
Hulk-yep done it a lot too
Shang Chi-yep
Karate Kid-yep
Apocalypse-yep...curse ye being too reliant on tech!
Storm-yep
Shadowcat-yep
Green Goblin-yep
Hobgoblin-yep
Godzilla-yep
Silver Surfer-w/prep yep. w/o no
Firelord-same as above
Human Torch-yep
Dr. Doom-yep
Thing-yep
Tyrant-nooo, not without an ass load of prep
Zarathos-I dunno, probably...I'll say no
Dormammu-Already has, but dunno bout a rematch
Dr. Strange-Noo too powerful
Deathstroke-yep
Batman-yep
Gambit-yurp
Deadpool-yurp
Superman-probably
Wonder Woman-probably
Green Arrow-yep
Hawkeye-yep
Wasp-yep
Thor-They faught briefly, Strange won. Dunno bout the rematch
Odin-no
TOAA-no
Living Tribunal-no
Galactus-no
Krypto-yep
Supergirl-probably
Tombstone-yep
Morlun-yep
Kraven-yep
Invisible Woman-yep
Magneto-yep, again.
Quicksiver-yep
Scarlet Witch-already has, but this new one is too much
Havok-yep
Jean Grey-yep w/o PF
Phoenix-no
Mickey Mouse-no
Cable-yep
She Hulk-yep
damn straight!! no one beats MM.
I see... So the feat of Akuma walking underwater and demolishing that sub is gone... That leaves... The island breakin punch and the Ayres rock feats in for Akuma Both of which have been done before by quite a number of Marvel Characters...
What about the feats in the movies and cartoon series (SF2V series) Are those still admissable? because the recent Alpha movie shows Ryu Dodging bullets, and Akuma exploding training dummies with mere thought...
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Not to sound nitpicky, but isn't a series of feats allowed if they are in the same line?
Yes, if you were to say, "What If Wolverine vs. Silver Surfer" or "SF Alpha 2 Akuma vs. Cyclops". But otherwise, it's misleading, because you're talking about multiple versions of a character, and you can't pin down strengths and weaknesses accurately.
Namor:
Spiderman-yep
Venom-yep
Carnage-yep
Taskmaster-yep
Elecktra-yep
Daredevil-yep
Dock Ock-yep
Sandman-no
Hydroman-no
Omega Red-yep
Sabretooth-yep
Mr. x-yep
Cyclops-yep
Xavier-no
Magneto-no
Nightcrawler-yep
Ryu-Don't know
Ken-Don't know
Bison-Don't know
Akuma-Don't know
Iron Man-has done it already
Hulk-has done it already
Shang Chi-yep
Karate Kid-maybe...
Apocalypse-yep...has done it already
Storm-yep
Shadowcat-tie
Green Goblin-yep
Hobgoblin-yep
Godzilla-maybe...
Silver Surfer-no
Firelord-maybe...
Human Torch-yep, has done it already
Dr. Doom-yep, has done it already
Thing-yep, has done it already
Tyrant-No
Zarathos-No
Dormammu-No
Dr. Strange-No
Deathstroke-yep
Batman-yep
Gambit-yep
Deadpool-yep
Superman-No
Wonder Woman-Maybe
Green Arrow-yep
Hawkeye-yep
Wasp-yep
Thor-Nope
Odin-no
TOAA-no
Living Tribunal-no
Galactus-no
Krypto-yep
Supergirl-no
Tombstone-yep
Morlun-yep
Kraven-yep
Invisible Woman-yep, has done it already
Magneto-no again.
Quicksiver-yep
Scarlet Witch-nope
Havok-yep
Jean Grey-bo
Phoenix-no
Mickey Mouse-no way in hell
Cable-no
She Hulk-yep
And this is where comparing feats for Videogame characters tro Comic characters gets very difficult.
I for one would think that there would be a rule that only versions of the character taken from the comics nd movies/tv series should be used in a comic versus forum, that way we avoid the hassle.
It becomes a real problem when we bring in Videogame feats (Unless it's in a characters ending) because, as stated by Cordera and many others) Videogame techniques are watered down considerably (I mean I would think hulk would kill someone like Dan in a single hit in the games...)
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Wolverine doesn't have the speed to just leap at cyke, with a much faster blast.
Wolverine has enhanced speed, and you're forgetting that it's not just Wolverine vs. Cyclop's blast...it's Wolverine vs. Cyclops. Cyclops isn't fast enough to react to someone with metahuman speed getting the jump on him, getting his bearings, and opening his visor and firing fast enough to not get tagged. Storm, who is much slower than Wolverine, got the jump on Cyke.
Hardly is, because even if what you said was so, then that indirectly implies that if akuma has done better feats, he can do the lesser ones.
I wouldn't call the submarine feat to be better than the others. But either way, it's a better feat than anyone else in the SF universe has done according to Capcom.
Have you seen WHAT these projectiles do?!?!?Not the ones that break tidal waves, not the ones that go across cities and such, and are non concussive.
They are still MUCH better fighters than wolverine, and to say otherwise is IGNORANCE, they know the vital points and everything, DD stands a good chance against wolverine, you can beat your ass ryu and bison do too.
Ah, so you see, we've now switched from the game version back to the cartoon version. Do you see that? You're using composite characters.
Like I said higher showings, the sf characters would give wolverine a run for his money.
ok, so it really all comes down to this, which I can accept - using their higher composite showings, they give Wolverine a run for his money, which I can agree with. I go by canon showings, which is quite a different story. All I'm asking is that you mention which version you're using, to avoid confusion. That's all I'm asking.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
I see... So the feat of Akuma walking underwater and demolishing that sub is gone... That leaves... The island breakin punch and the Ayres rock feats in for Akuma Both of which have been done before by quite a number of Marvel Characters...What about the feats in the movies and cartoon series (SF2V series) Are those still admissable? because the recent Alpha movie shows Ryu Dodging bullets, and Akuma exploding training dummies with mere thought...
SF3: 3rd Strike (Akuma destroying the sub, that's the latest one), SF3:2nd Impact is also cannon, SFA2-3 are cannon, and SF2. 🙂
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
And this is where comparing feats for Videogame characters tro Comic characters gets very difficult.I for one would think that there would be a rule that only versions of the character taken from the comics nd movies/tv series should be used in a comic versus forum, that way we avoid the hassle.
It becomes a real problem when we bring in Videogame feats (Unless it's in a characters ending) because, as stated by Cordera and many others) Videogame techniques are watered down considerably (I mean I would think hulk would kill someone like Dan in a single hit in the games...)
I agree that only comic versions of characters should be used on a comic vs. board. Likewise, I believe that animated versions should be used on the cartoon vs board (if such a thing exists). I'm all for unofficially endorsing that rule. But the problem is, even then, there are multiple comics by multiple publishers. There's DDP SF, there's the japenese manga, there's the old 90s version. Supporters will pick and choose the best feats from all of these, detractors will pick and choose the worst from all of these, and nobody can agree because nobody is on the same page.
That goes back to my last sentence of my last post - all I'm asking is that he mention which version he's using so we can debate it intelligently and accurately. No more and no less.
Originally posted by demigawd
Just to be certain, I'm looking up the official "All About" source from Capcom right now. If I'm wrong, I'll own up. Hold on a sec...
They all are from the video games, but if you want offical source, check out Street Fighter: Eternal Challenge book made by UDON or head to www.capcomcomics.com or www.shoryuken.com for more info. 🙂
ok, this is what they said the order is:
Slam masters/Muscle Bomber (1981, probably. Haggar was a wrestler.)
Slam Masters 2: Ring of Destruction (1982. Haggar is still a wrestler)
Street Fighter/Final Fight (1987: Haggar is now the Mayor.)
Final Fight Revenge (Epilogue to Final Fight)
Final Fight 2/Street Fighter Alpha 2 (1988: Guy wasn't in FF2 because he was training and chasing down Bison.)
Street Fighter Alpha 3 (1990)
Final Fight 3 (1991)
Street Fighter 2 Super Turbo (with Cammy, T. Hawk, Fei Long and Dee Jay) (1993)
Street Fighter 3 Double Impact (1998. Double Impact replaces New Generation)
Street Fighter 3 Third Strike (Probably 1998, and possibly 1999. This
is SF3DI's epilogue)
So, it appears you're correct, Dvampyre. My bad. However, also according to Capcom, Sagat beat Ryu after he was possessed by Bison, and Ken and Sakura actually defeated Bison the first time. Charlie, Chun-Li and Guile beat him the second time. Also, only Akuma breaking the sub and destroying the island are part of the canon story for Akuma according to Capcom. That's impressive, but Wolverine has fought people capable of doing the same thing. And there are no major canon feats for any other characters. Either way, I already said that Akuma could take a majority, but not Ryu or Ken.
A street and a novice beating Bison once and three streets beating Bison a second time isn't all that great. IMO.
Originally posted by demigawd
ok, this is what they said the order is:Slam masters/Muscle Bomber (1981, probably. Haggar was a wrestler.)
Slam Masters 2: Ring of Destruction (1982. Haggar is still a wrestler)
Street Fighter/Final Fight (1987: Haggar is now the Mayor.)
Final Fight Revenge (Epilogue to Final Fight)
Final Fight 2/Street Fighter Alpha 2 (1988: Guy wasn't in FF2 because he was training and chasing down Bison.)
Street Fighter Alpha 3 (1990)
Final Fight 3 (1991)
Street Fighter 2 Super Turbo (with Cammy, T. Hawk, Fei Long and Dee Jay) (1993)
Street Fighter 3 Double Impact (1998. Double Impact replaces New Generation)
Street Fighter 3 Third Strike (Probably 1998, and possibly 1999. This
is SF3DI's epilogue)So, it appears you're correct, Dvampyre. My bad. However, also according to Capcom, Sagat beat Ryu after he was possessed by Bison, and Ken and Sakura actually defeated Bison the first time. Charlie, Chun-Li and Guile beat him the second time. Also, only Akuma breaking the sub and destroying the island are part of the canon story for Akuma according to Capcom. That's impressive, but Wolverine has fought people capable of doing the same thing. And there are no major canon feats for any other characters. Either way, I already said that Akuma could take a majority, but not Ryu or Ken.
A street and a novice beating Bison once and three streets beating Bison a second time isn't all that great. IMO.
It's cool! But nobody beat M.Bison but Ryu (in SFA3) that's official, and Akuma killed him in SF2. Sagat never deafeated Ryu, and Ryu was Evil Sagat back down, because Ryu wasn't the same person that defeated him.
According to the canon source from Capcom, in SFA2, Bison took over Ryu, and Sagat, Ken and Sakura formed a task force to take them down. Ken and Bison teamed up against Bison, and Sagat went up against "Evil" Ryu. Sagat won, and Ryu was restored. Ken and Sakura successfully held off Bison, but it was Ryu who landed the final blow. This came straight from "All About" guide from Capcom itself, which is how I confirmed your original statement.
Originally posted by demigawd
According to the canon source from Capcom, in SFA2, Bison took over Ryu, and Sagat, Ken and Sakura formed a task force to take them down. Ken and Bison teamed up against Bison, and Sagat went up against "Evil" Ryu. Sagat won, and Ryu was restored. Ken and Sakura successfully held off Bison, but it was Ryu who landed the final blow. This came straight from "All About" guide from Capcom itself, which is how I confirmed your original statement.
Sagat never fought Evil Ryu (Bison did mind control him) because it wasn't the same person who defeated him. Later Ryu was restored, while Bison was beating everybody, until Ryu fought and defeated him.
So the Waterwalking and Sub demolishing feats are back?
Ok, I think that the reason Cordera combined the feats of the games was because they all exist as canon in the same timeline, the very same version of the character actually performed all the feats from those games.
Anywho, I still think that only the comic and toon versions of the characters should be admissable here, because they are the only ones that can be compare to the comic characters with any digree of accuracy...
A bit like this "Dan Can kick all their asses because I beat everyon with him!" Sound familiar? Sure Dan can be a kickass character in the hands of the right player, but it's not accurate to his storyline, and more importantly, you can't compare hgow you play a character compared to something that is official.
Originally posted by dvampire
Sagat never fought Evil Ryu (Bison did mind control him) because it wasn't the same person who defeated him. Later Ryu was restored, while Bison was beating everybody, until Ryu fought and defeated him.
What's your source for this? My Capcom "All About" canon guide says otherwise. According to this guide (put out by Capcom), the reason Ryu's brainwashing was broken is because Sagat broke it by beating sense back into him. Sagat chose to fight this Evil Ryu not so much for revenge (which is why you seem to be implying) but because he thought it was wrong for Bison to treat Ryu that way.
Again, this is from a published Capcom source, so I put faith in it. What's your source and what does it say broke Evil Ryu's programming?