Take the versus fanboy test....

Started by dvampire43 pages

Originally posted by demigawd
He just used great prep and stealth in his own book over the past half year when he took on the X-men and Fantastic Four and others. Then there was the Avengers imitation I mentioned. Then there was his silent infiltration of Mandarin's headquarters and then outsmarted him during acts of vengeance by playing dead to get up close. And that's just to start you off. There's a pretty good history of him fighting smart in his own book, especially when in Madripoor, Old Genosha, Japan and Hammer Bay storylines. I could give more extensive accounts, but I think you get the point.

Cyclops is unbelievably accurate, which is why I give him the majority. But he's also human and prone to mistakes, like anybody else. Cyclops would have to play things perfectly. I believe he can do it more than not, but I also think that Wolverine, because of his healing, has a lot more room for tactical error, despite the fact that he's also a tactician. That's why I put him solidly at taking 4/10 from Cyclops. No visors = horrible mistake by Cyclops.

Where/when has Ryu dodged a bullet before? It's not in any of your links, and you still haven't revealed your source for these extreme powers you're saying they have.

yes, god tier, cosmic gill, etc. But what are his FEATS? What has he done to make me think that he'd do more than collapse and die when stabbed once by adamantium claws? What impossible things has he survived? What impossible things have any of these people withstood? Gunshots? Buildings falling on their heads? Explosions? Grenades? Because Wolverine has, without missing a beat. Ditto with "Cosmic" Gill. Again, I have yet to see or hear of a source or reference for anything in the street fighter universe aside from destroying an island, done by one character.

I don't want to turn it into a feat war...I just want to know that these feats actually happened, lol. It's all I ask. Pretty please tell me! With ice cream on top!

Then what is your evidence that he could beat Wolverine? What's Ryu's best canon feat?

WHEN?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Reference, please! It's not in any of the links you gave.

And yet, the only reference for any of this is Ayer's Rock, the island...which we already know about. Where's the rest???

Wolverine beat both Thing and Iron Fist, who have similar feats of pure power, and hung with Hulk, who destroyed a planet-sized asteroid. It takes more than offense, it takes durability to hang in there. What's Akuma's durability feats? And what is the reference for anything beyond the usual Ayer's Rock, which is the only feat you've listed backed by any evidence you yourself provided?

resurrection is backed by canon. Moving the ocean? No reference. All that proves is that Gill has a healing factor too, lol.

But the difference is, if you were to compare Goku to Wolverine, you have strength feats backed by the actual episodes, speed feats, durability feats, etc. to make the comparison. We have your word that Akuma did these things, but they're not in any canon guides you or anyone else has provided. I *can't* count them in good conscience without that anymore so than I can count Logan 87 saying, "Wolverine once gutted Galactus, but I don't have an issue number, scans, or storyline to prove it".

You're so mysterious. I'm an avid Street Fighter fan. I played the game for years, and followed the official story in both Japan and the US. The feats you've listed are the first time I've heard any of it, and it naturally causes me to question what your source is. The links other people have posted and the links you've posted don't show anything that you're talking about. So what "storyline" am I not knowing, and where do I get this storyline?

Fireball? It only takes, like, 20 of them to knock Chun Li out, lol.

Urien is the brother of Gill, he's very powerful, his skin is made out iron and he controls fire and lighting energy. Gill is a god like being, because he can't die, controls fire/ice and has angel powers, has mastered all secret 66 techniques in his orginization, and both of them know a secret MA. They both come from SF3. Gill has spread the ocean by just raising his hand in SF3:3rd strike. Akuma has punched an Island with one hand (SFA2), smashed Ayer Rock Moutain with one punch (SF3:2nd Impact), survived at 150 miles under the ocean and destroyed a ship (SF3:3rd Strike, he's quit fast to get out there in the middle of the ocean), and destroyed a meteor without being fased (CFE). I hope that helps. ๐Ÿ™‚

Re: Take the versus fanboy test....

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
This test should be used in KMC, if a person fails, they only get to watch, and are entertained with a video of their favorite character getting sodomized. ๐Ÿ™‚

The test has many parts:

Part 1:

The fanboy test, classic. Everyone should take it before joining.
Who can wolveirne beat?

Namor not a prayer for logan.
Spiderman in a real fight spidey wins
Venom same as spidey
Carnage same as venom
Taskmaster if task keeps a good distance and stays on him and does not get stabbed wolvie goes down though task may break his foot or hand if so wolvie wins
Elecktra tough call
Daredevil yep wolvie wins
Dock Ock wolvie loses
Sandman how is wolvie gonna hurt him does he even have internal organs.
Hydroman same as sandman
Omega Red unsure
Sabretooth either way really
Mr. x is he from x-files??
Cyclops if cyke hit him first wolvie goes down.
Xavier only if xavier forgets that he is telepathic
Magneto if mag wanted to he could kill wolverine in the blink of an eye
Nightcrawleer well apparently he can teleport your head off. but i say wolvie could kill him
Ryu wolvie is beatdown
Ken same as ryu
Bison same as ken
Akuma same as bison
Iron Man repulsar ray to the stomach wolvie goes down
Hulk if they ever kill off wolverine i say hulk should do it
Shang Chi unsure
Karate Kid one punch and his adamantium skeleton is shattered
Apocalypse if apocalypse suddenly became stupid
Storm storm wins
Shadowcat wolverine wins
Green Goblin i say in a real fight goblin wins if he has the glider
Hobgoblin same as above.
Godzilla adamantium toothpick
Silver Surfer adamantium skeleton is now cookie dough skeleton
Firelord same as surfer
Human Torch i vote for torch
Dr. Doom doom for wolvie
Thing thing wins
Tyrant wolvie so destroys this putz (not really)
Zarathos demon wins
Dormammu evil sorceror wins
Dr. Strange heroic sorceror wins
Deathstroke slade takes him down quickly and with little effort
Batman tough call really but i'm leaning towards bats
Gambit gambit wins he could easily charge the skelton to blow up
Deadpool wade all the way
Superman wolverine has no chance
Wonder Woman same as supes
Green Arrow two arrows to the eye sockets
Hawkeye same as above
Wasp wasp would own this fight
Thor wolverine has no prayer in heaven
Odin same as above
TOAA same as above
Living Tribunal same as sbove
Galactus same as above
Krypto wolverine gets doggie styled
Supergirl wolvie goes down
Tombstone unsure
Morlun unsure
Kraven wolverine
Invisible Woman sue wins easily
Magneto he's on here twice
Quicksiver tough call
Scarlet Witch wanda wins
Havok havok could easily kill him
Jean Grey jean destroys him
Phoenix wolvie ceases to exist
Mickey Mouse do not know the stats on mickey is'nt he the original herald of galctus
Cable cable wins
She Hulk jenny wins

I expect an answer for 80% of these.

Re: Re: Take the versus fanboy test....

Originally posted by Dr. Diamond

DAMNED IMPRESSIVE!!

You were the only guy that knew ALL the characters mentioned, congrats. pass with honors

Why is wolverine either way with sabretooth?

Re: Re: Re: Take the versus fanboy test....

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
DAMNED IMPRESSIVE!!

You were the only guy that knew ALL the characters mentioned, congrats. pass with honors

Why is wolverine either way with sabretooth?

well sabretooth is an amped version of wolverine how ever wolvie tends to win actually i can not think of a time sabretooth has actually beaten him however i disagree with this fact i say that sabretooth should have beaten him several times. but hey i'm not writing comics for marvel

I have at least one comic where Sabertooth beats him easily.

Re: Re: Re: Re: Take the versus fanboy test....

Originally posted by Dr. Diamond
well sabretooth is an amped version of wolverine how ever wolvie tends to win actually i can not think of a time sabretooth has actually beaten him however i disagree with this fact i say that sabretooth should have beaten him several times. but hey i'm not writing comics for marvel

I understand, but jinzin says sabretooth got the better of wolvierine oftem.

He's just a poor mans wolveirne.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
For cyke, wolveine didn't need all of that when he knew him and was on the team, which is what I mean.

What do you mean?


He also fooled people into thinking he was spiderman, that doesn't make too much sense.

Why not? Wolverine has enhanced speed. For short spurts, he's definitely athletic enough to trick people. Remember, he also brought props with him - parts of costumes (like a fake shield, "webbing", blue dye to pretend he's Beast, etc.). It's really smart.


I have trouble piecing together how this would logically work in an open environmen, I have a gun, and you don't.
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Which statement of mine are you referring to?


Exactly what I'm trying to say here,the feats are all over, people use some from Alpha 3, bios, ddp, feats. movies, and games, its too inspecific, which is why I'm saying at their best they win. AT worst, except akuma and bison they lose.

That's fair. And remember, I DID say, "CorderaMitchell version wins 10/10", I just didn't know the source of this "CorderaMitchell" version. As it's since been revealed that it's the A3 movie version, I can say, "A3 movie version wins, all others lose". Now we're both happy, lol.


Gill in on cosmic level and resurrected, he is GODLY, not a stupid healing factor

What's the difference? Street fights not involving Akuma aren't to the death. Ryu beats him, he doesn't kill him...so I don't know how accurate the term "resurrect" is. More like, "revive". Either way...I've seen better. Wolverine wouldn't die in the first place. ๐Ÿ˜‰


, the raging demon kills mind, body, and soul. He uses it to KILL. It would do some damage against juggernaut, and thats something to consider. His misogi splits the air, and makes him invisible, his weaker version makes an impregnable forcefield. Don't give me wolverine hung with hulk, he'd be punched into another state. Akuma has blasts that destroy islands and such, wolverine doesn't get near, and lets not forget, they're MUCH better fighters. Legendary.

Akuma shaking the earth:always. Breaking a meteor: CFE, Walking the ocean and destroying a sub: SF3,Warping:always (Ashura Zenku), shungokusatsu" (trademark), or the hell murder.

See, you're combining feats now from different sources. How fair is that? that's why I'm saying...Canon guide is the only way to go. Capcom says CFE and 2nd Impact isn't canon, it's an elsewhere's story, like a "What If". It counts if Wolverine killing the Silver Surfer counts. maybe I should stick with calling it the CorderaMitchell version, lol. It seems to be a combination of the anime and the best feats from SOME of the games.

But I think the compromise is fair. CorderaMitchell version is super-godly, A3 movie version is badass, other versions normal.

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Take the versus fanboy test....

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
I understand, but jinzin says sabretooth got the better of wolvierine oftem.

He's just a poor mans wolveirne.

i say he's an amped version as a opposed to a poor mans version

I'm not sure why there's controversy about Wolverine and Sabretooth, here. They've gone back and forth in their fights. They've always gone back and forth, though Wolverine has the lead in their all-time series. There's nothing fanboyish or fantastic about believing Wolverine can beat Sabretooth. He does. Often. Most of the time, even. I can only think of two times Sabretooth has decisively beaten Wolverine. One was when he first got his adamantium and Wolverine was totally unprepared for it . The second was in Rucka's run when he beat the hell out of Logan and went on to kill that She-Sabretooth thing, the Native, or whatever her name is.

Originally posted by demigawd
What do you mean?

Why not? Wolverine has enhanced speed. For short spurts, he's definitely athletic enough to trick people. Remember, he also brought props with him - parts of costumes (like a fake shield, "webbing", blue dye to pretend he's Beast, etc.). It's really smart.

Which statement of mine are you referring to?

That's fair. And remember, I DID say, "CorderaMitchell version wins 10/10", I just didn't know the source of this "CorderaMitchell" version. As it's since been revealed that it's the A3 movie version, I can say, "A3 movie version wins, all others lose". Now we're both happy, lol.

What's the difference? Street fights not involving Akuma aren't to the death. Ryu beats him, he doesn't kill him...so I don't know how accurate the term "resurrect" is. More like, "revive". Either way...I've seen better. Wolverine wouldn't die in the first place. ๐Ÿ˜‰

See, you're combining feats now from different sources. How fair is that? that's why I'm saying...Canon guide is the only way to go. Capcom says CFE and 2nd Impact isn't canon, it's an elsewhere's story, like a "What If". It counts if Wolverine killing the Silver Surfer counts. maybe I should stick with calling it the CorderaMitchell version, lol. It seems to be a combination of the anime and the best feats from SOME of the games.

But I think the compromise is fair. CorderaMitchell version is super-godly, A3 movie version is badass, other versions normal.

Wolverine beating cyke is still not happening, cyke has hit faster.

When did I say second impact was canon, thats from a myriad of endings from which the characters have select endings.

Akuma did the raging demon, thats his style to kill, not ryu's, you got me mixed up, many of SF would give marvel characters problems, you really should get into them, and you'll truly understand.

CFE endings were comic strips, from another comic.

Let me clear this up.

Shin Akuma, Gill, Oro =godly

Bison= a stutter step away.

ryu, ken,= superbadass

These guys have projectiles, and rocks wolvies world.

dvampire also confirmed what I was saying. to a degree, lets call it the demidoesn'tunderstand version.

How about our favorite against those?

Go for it, thats actually smarter anyway, I mentioned that earlier.

The other was of wolverine as a knowledge test.

I need to do batman.

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Originally posted by demigawd
What do you mean?

Why not? Wolverine has enhanced speed. For short spurts, he's definitely athletic enough to trick people. Remember, he also brought props with him - parts of costumes (like a fake shield, "webbing", blue dye to pretend he's Beast, etc.). It's really smart.

Which statement of mine are you referring to?

That's fair. And remember, I DID say, "CorderaMitchell version wins 10/10", I just didn't know the source of this "CorderaMitchell" version. As it's since been revealed that it's the A3 movie version, I can say, "A3 movie version wins, all others lose". Now we're both happy, lol.

What's the difference? Street fights not involving Akuma aren't to the death. Ryu beats him, he doesn't kill him...so I don't know how accurate the term "resurrect" is. More like, "revive". Either way...I've seen better. Wolverine wouldn't die in the first place. ๐Ÿ˜‰

See, you're combining feats now from different sources. How fair is that? that's why I'm saying...Canon guide is the only way to go. Capcom says CFE and 2nd Impact isn't canon, it's an elsewhere's story, like a "What If". It counts if Wolverine killing the Silver Surfer counts. maybe I should stick with calling it the CorderaMitchell version, lol. It seems to be a combination of the anime and the best feats from SOME of the games.

But I think the compromise is fair. CorderaMitchell version is super-godly, A3 movie version is badass, other versions normal.

The only one that isn't cannon is SF3. The rest of the games are cannon. ๐Ÿ™‚

Originally posted by colossus17
dudnt wulVarine bit LT in ultimate x-men???!!!!!!!!!! UUmm as loang as he geats close end hE Guets OUyt his clawsI see no prOblem hiM Beting tham Al!..u fools bAck in unCAnny # 76 he Kiled tiM aNd space by sTaBbuing it!!!??..anend cUn kiLl thE halk!!

lol

Strange:

Namor-yep
Spiderman-yep
Venom-yep
Carnage-yep
Taskmaster-yep
Elecktra-yep
Daredevil-yep
Dock Ock-yep
Sandman-yep
Hydroman-yep
Omega Red-yep
Sabretooth-yep
Mr. x-yep
Cyclops-yep
Xavier-yep
Magneto-yep
Nightcrawler-yep
Ryu-yep
Ken-yep
Bison-yep
Akuma-yep
Iron Man-yep
Hulk-yep done it a lot too
Shang Chi-yep
Karate Kid-yep
Apocalypse-yep...curse ye being too reliant on tech!
Storm-yep
Shadowcat-yep
Green Goblin-yep
Hobgoblin-yep
Godzilla-yep
Silver Surfer-w/prep yep. w/o no
Firelord-same as above
Human Torch-yep
Dr. Doom-yep
Thing-yep
Tyrant-nooo, not without an ass load of prep
Zarathos-I dunno, probably...I'll say no
Dormammu-Already has, but dunno bout a rematch
Dr. Strange-Noo too powerful
Deathstroke-yep
Batman-yep
Gambit-yurp
Deadpool-yurp
Superman-probably
Wonder Woman-probably
Green Arrow-yep
Hawkeye-yep
Wasp-yep
Thor-They faught briefly, Strange won. Dunno bout the rematch
Odin-no
TOAA-no
Living Tribunal-no
Galactus-no
Krypto-yep
Supergirl-probably
Tombstone-yep
Morlun-yep
Kraven-yep
Invisible Woman-yep
Magneto-yep, again.
Quicksiver-yep
Scarlet Witch-already has, but this new one is too much
Havok-yep
Jean Grey-yep w/o PF
Phoenix-no
Mickey Mouse-no
Cable-yep
She Hulk-yep

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Wolverine beating cyke is still not happening, cyke has hit faster.

Right, because Cyke is a trained ninja/samurai with enhanced reflexes and 60+ years of experience in fighting, so naturally he'd be quicker to attack.


When did I say second impact was canon, thats from a myriad of endings from which the characters have select endings.

You're implicitly saying it's canon when you cite a feat there as valid (similar to Wolverine killing Surfer in a What If). But, if you acknowedge that second impact and SFA2 is not canon, then only the submarine feat counts.


Akuma did the raging demon, thats his style to kill, not ryu's, you got me mixed up, many of SF would give marvel characters problems, you really should get into them, and you'll truly understand.

I am into them, which is why I know which is canon and which is not. If I seem confused, it's because you're combining feats from multiple media (cartoon and video game) into one, but disregarding showings from other media (video games, comics), which is naturally going to confuse somebody...and which you shouldn't do anyway.

I do agree, however, that SF characters would give a lot of street level characters problems. But I doubt Hulk is shaking in his boots anywhere.


CFE endings were comic strips, from another comic.

And thus....not canon. Right?


Let me clear this up.

Shin Akuma, Gill, Oro =godly

Bison= a stutter step away.

ryu, ken,= superbadass

These guys have projectiles, and rocks wolvies world.

Just because they have projectiles doesn't mean they automatically beat Wolverine. Average portrayals of Ryu and Ken would lose to Wolverine. Canon portrayals of Ryu and Ken would be murdered. Average portrayals of the others go more in their favor, though canon portrayals I'd still have the edge to Wolverine.


dvampire also confirmed what I was saying. to a degree, lets call it the demidoesn'tunderstand version.

Yes, dvampire confirmed the sources, but none of them are considered canon sources by Capcom, so it gets filed in the W.KiSS (Wolverine Kills Silver Surfer) section.

Demiunderstands perfectly. You're using multiple sources to build feats from, combining the games and the anime, yes or no? There's nothing wrong with doing it, it will just clarify things for me and everybody else on the board so we'll know what you're thinking when you visualize these fights.

Not to sound nitpicky, but isn't a series of feats allowed if they are in the same line?

Originally posted by demigawdSee, you're combining feats now from different sources. How fair is that? that's why I'm saying...Canon guide is the only way to go. Capcom says CFE and 2nd Impact isn't canon, it's an elsewhere's story, like a "What If". It counts if Wolverine killing the Silver Surfer counts. maybe I should stick with calling it the CorderaMitchell version, lol. It seems to be a combination of the anime and the best feats from SOME of the games.

But I think the compromise is fair. CorderaMitchell version is super-godly, A3 movie version is badass, other versions normal.

Originally posted by dvampire
The only one that isn't cannon is SF3. The rest of the games are cannon. ๐Ÿ™‚

Untrue. Capcom said that the following games are canon to SF and in this order

1. some random pre-SF shit, like Final Fight and Capcom Wrestling somethingorother

2. SF1

3. another random final fight game

4. SF Alpha 3

5. SF 2 Super Turbo

6. SF 3 - Third Strike

Capcom said that sub-versions of games, such as Alpha 1, Alpha 2, SF3: NG and SF3: Second Impact, are all retonned by the latest in that series. So there's only one Alpha story, only one SF2 story, only one SF3 story, etc. the earlier "sub-versions" don't exist canonically, relegated to "Elseworlds" status. It's how they make everything fit.

Originally posted by demigawd
Right, because Cyke is a trained ninja/samurai with enhanced reflexes and 60+ years of experience in fighting, so naturally he'd be quicker to attack.

Wolverine doesn't have the speed to just leap at cyke, with a much faster blast.

Originally posted by demigawd
You're implicitly saying it's canon when you cite a feat there as valid (similar to Wolverine killing Surfer in a What If). But, if you acknowedge that second impact and SFA2 is not canon, then only the submarine feat counts.

Hardly is, because even if what you said was so, then that indirectly implies that if akuma has done better feats, he can do the lesser ones.

Originally posted by demigawd
I am into them, which is why I know which is canon and which is not. If I seem confused, it's because you're combining feats from multiple media (cartoon and video game) into one, but disregarding showings from other media (video games, comics), which is naturally going to confuse somebody...and which you shouldn't do anyway.

I do agree, however, that SF characters would give a lot of street level characters problems. But I doubt Hulk is shaking in his boots anywhere.

And thus....not canon. Right?

Depends and depends again, on which tier for hulk, but nontheless, like i said before, the average of all of these feats comic wise, so if they did it once they could again.

Originally posted by demigawd
Just because they have projectiles doesn't mean they automatically beat Wolverine. Average portrayals of Ryu and Ken would lose to Wolverine. Canon portrayals of Ryu and Ken would be murdered. Average portrayals of the others go more in their favor, though canon portrayals I'd still have the edge to Wolverine.

Have you seen WHAT these projectiles do?!?!?

Not the ones that break tidal waves, not the ones that go across cities and such, and are non concussive.

They are still MUCH better fighters than wolverine, and to say otherwise is IGNORANCE, they know the vital points and everything, DD stands a good chance against wolverine, you can beat your ass ryu and bison do too.

Originally posted by demigawd
Yes, dvampire confirmed the sources, but none of them are considered canon sources by Capcom, so it gets filed in the W.KiSS (Wolverine Kills Silver Surfer) section.

Demiunderstands perfectly. You're using multiple sources to build feats from, combining the games and the anime, yes or no? There's nothing wrong with doing it, it will just clarify things for me and everybody else on the board so we'll know what you're thinking when you visualize these fights.

With what powers, if they can do above they can do lesser, if you realize the vagueness here, you realize that the matches aren't worth describing into.

Like I said higher showings, the sf characters would give wolverine a run for his money.