Originally posted by GalacticStorm
This is ridiculous. Demis just hurting because its been highlighted how Magneto can get taken down by FTL attacks so now he's just trying to soften the blow by including Thanos in that category. 😱Surely you've noticed his recent strong support for Superman and the like? 😉
yep. and somehow i'm thinking his unwavering support of supes is a not quite as . . . sincere as it perhaps should be . . . 😖hifty:
Originally posted by demigawd
Update: Over on the Surfer vs. Superman thread, a similar discussion is taking place, and it turns out that Surfer doesn't have ANY combat speed feats. Or at least no scans of it.That makes the case for Thanos being able to react to FTL combat grows even more dubious.
All of your examples make use of flight/travel speed. None of them make use of combat speed.
So what does that mean? It means your assumption that Thanos has dealt with FTL attacks by virtue of fighting cosmic beings has 0 grounding, because NONE of Thanos' opponents short of Runner and CM have shown any sort of FTL combat ability....at all.
In other words...there's no longer any point in arguing why, when the 'if' is now in question.
So to summarize: Your assumption was that Thanos can deal with FTL combat speed because he fights cosmics. You then further assume that cosmics are able to fight at FTL combat speeds. But now, it seems that the cosmics he fights don't actually fight at FTL combat speeds themselves, which throws out your very assumption that Thanos can deal with FTL combat speed. As it stands, he's rarely even encountered it, and when he has, he's shown no ability to deal with it.
Additionally - the scans were posted. Thanos didn't react to Surfer trying to grab the gauntlet at FTL speed. Sufer missed.
Nice post! 👆
Originally posted by demigawd
Additionally - the scans were posted. Thanos didn't react to Surfer trying to grab the gauntlet at FTL speed. Sufer missed.
Originally posted by Wally WestYet, Surfer moved from one planet to another in the space of one of his punches. And once Surfer missed, he turned the Gauntles back up to full power to fight him.
If Thanos didn't react, what was that shocked look on his face for while looking towards Surfer? 😕 If Thanos was incapable of reacting to a FTL opponent, he wouldn't have even known Surfer had been there or tried to take the Gauntlet, it would have all happened to quickly for it to even register...the fact Thanos realises Surfer is even there at the speed he is going suggests his reaction times are very good indeed.
But my point is the fact Thanos even knew Surfer had tried to take the Gauntlet shows he can react to those kind of attacks, if he couldn't react to the kind of attack he wouldn't have even seen Surfer or knew he had been there, and Surfer could have kept trying the same tactic over and over because Thanos would not be able to even see him. The fact Adam Warlock holds Surfer back, waiting for that one particular moment to try that strategy suggests they know he might be able to react in time, otherwise he could have just sent Surfer the moment Thanos reduced himself to just the Power Gem.
And theres nothing to suggest he was throwing that punch as fast as possible at Cap, the whole fight was to try and impress Death by fighting all the heroes at once, he wasn't taking it to seriously. He only gets serious when Surfer nearly grabs the gauntlet.
And I dunno if you're trying to suggest Thanos needed the gauntlet to beat Surfer, because obviously he doesn't.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
WHOA!! This sh*t was good. I cant say it any better than this Leo. Youre on fire!!! 😱
Actually, his whole post was rendered moot by the discovery that SS has no combat speed feats to his credit. And neither do any other Marvel cosmics, hahahaha.
But good try guys. The B-league almost came through. 😉
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
This is ridiculous. Demis just hurting because its been highlighted how Magneto can get taken down by FTL attacks so now he's just trying to soften the blow by including Thanos in that category. 😱Surely you've noticed his recent strong support for Superman and the like? 😉
I'm just saying...ANYBODY can use the FTL debate and get cheap wins against ANYBODY...even Thanos! Look at this...nobody can beat me, and I'm using GLADIATOR
against THANOS.
HAHAHAHAHA....it's too easy! THIS is the way to live, my friends! Embrace the speedblitz!
Originally posted by Wally West
If Thanos didn't react, what was that shocked look on his face for while looking towards Surfer? 😕 If Thanos was incapable of reacting to a FTL opponent, he wouldn't have even known Surfer had been there or tried to take the Gauntlet, it would have all happened to quickly for it to even register...the fact Thanos realises Surfer is even there at the speed he is going suggests his reaction times are very good indeed.
Thanos didn't turn around until Surfer had already passed him. If it were a genuine example of Thanos have FTL reactions, the author/artist would have made it more obvious. At best, it's dubious, at worst, it's a showing AGAINST Thanos' ability to deal with FTL.
Thanos in Thanos Quest seemed to be scared of battling the Hulk. Said something about hoping to never having to meet him in battle.
As we know, Gladiator as a Super-clone is far superior to this in nearly every manner, speed, versatility, strength over Hulk.
Thanos should fearrrr.
I mean, he's 39048093284902380 times light speed, right?
Originally posted by Wally West
But my point is the fact Thanos even knew Surfer had tried to take the Gauntlet shows he can react to those kind of attacks, if he couldn't react to the kind of attack he wouldn't have even seen Surfer or knew he had been there, and Surfer could have kept trying the same tactic over and over because Thanos would not be able to even see him. The fact Adam Warlock holds Surfer back, waiting for that one particular moment to try that strategy suggests they know he might be able to react in time, otherwise he could have just sent Surfer the moment Thanos reduced himself to just the Power Gem.And theres nothing to suggest he was throwing that punch as fast as possible at Cap, the whole fight was to try and impress Death by fighting all the heroes at once, he wasn't taking it to seriously. He only gets serious when Surfer nearly grabs the gauntlet.
And I dunno if you're trying to suggest Thanos needed the gauntlet to beat Surfer, because obviously he doesn't.
If Warlock and Surfer knew that Thanos could react to light speed, they wouldn't have bothered with the "fly down there in the space of time it takes for him to throw a punch" strategy in the first place, because they would have known it wouldn't work. Rather, it was pretty clear that Surfer MISSED his mark, and Thanos didn't react until Surfer has passed him. Afterwards, Thanos freaked out over what nearly happened. If Thanos saw it coming and MADE Surfer miss, he would have been smug about it. He wouldn't have reacted the way he did.
Originally posted by Juntai
Thanos in Thanos Quest seemed to be scared of battling the Hulk. Said something about hoping to never having to meet him in battle.
As we know, Gladiator as a Super-clone is far superior to this in nearly every manner, speed, versatility, strength over Hulk.
Thanos should fearrrr.
I mean, he's 39048093284902380 times light speed, right?
Right!
Originally posted by demigawdThat sure is truth.
If Warlock and Surfer knew that Thanos could react to light speed, they wouldn't have bothered with the "fly down there in the space of time it takes for him to throw a punch" strategy in the first place, because they would have known it wouldn't work. Rather, it was pretty clear that Surfer MISSED his mark, and Thanos didn't react until Surfer has passed him. Afterwards, Thanos freaked out over what nearly happened. If Thanos saw it coming and MADE Surfer miss, he would have been smug about it. He wouldn't have reacted the way he did.
Well can someone explain to me why Adam Warlock waited until Thanos had killed every hero but Cap before sending Surfer in on the attack? Why not sent him the second he powers down to just the power gem and has dozens of the heroes to worry about? Why doesn't Surfer try more than once? I mean if Thanos is so incapable of reacting to lightspeed characters, SUrfer could have tried to take the Gauntlet from his hand 100 times before the first attempt had even registered with Thanos...
And Adam Warlock basically says he knew it wouldn't work as soon as Surfer misses, he knew Thanos could avoid it and Surfer only had the 1 chance to try it
Originally posted by Wally WestObviously he's fast, but clearly not as fast as surfer was moving, and once Surfer missed and went by, and Thanos noticed it, he turned the IG back to full power. The opportunity was missed. He only had one chance because of that in itself, he would will the Gauntlet back to full power. Then his OWN reaction time doesn't make a bit of difference.
Well can someone explain to me why Adam Warlock waited until Thanos had killed every hero but Cap before sending Surfer in on the attack? Why not sent him the second he powers down to just the power gem and has dozens of the heroes to worry about? Why doesn't Surfer try more than once? I mean if Thanos is so incapable of reacting to lightspeed characters, SUrfer could have tried to take the Gauntlet from his hand 100 times before the first attempt had even registered with Thanos...And Adam Warlock basically says he knew it wouldn't work as soon as Surfer misses, he knew Thanos could avoid it and Surfer only had the 1 chance to try it
Originally posted by demigawd
Actually, his whole post was rendered moot by the discovery that SS has no combat speed feats to his credit. And neither do any other Marvel cosmics, hahahaha.
except the aforementioned cosmics (dreaming celestial and galactus) of course . . . 😉
and in both cases, the movements (g blasting keeper who was fleeing from him and the dc trying to reach for and crush the ship) were part of a battle/combat as opposed to simply flying through space ftl.
Originally posted by leonidas
except the aforementioned cosmics (dreaming celestial and galactus) of course . . . 😉and in both cases, the movements (g blasting keeper who was fleeing from him and the dc trying to reach for and crush the ship) were part of a battle/combat as opposed to simply flying through space ftl.
Two things in response:
1. When I say cosmics, I mean people Thanos actually fights, like heralds, and skyfather types. This is, after all, a vs. Gladiator/Superman thread. You KNOW I'm not talking about Celestials. Don't be glib! lol
2. Even in your example, that's not an example of real combat speed feats. It's, again, an example of high travel speeds. See the scans I've posted of Superman speedblitzing opponents as an example of what I'm talking about, or Gladiator grabbing a metal girder and wrapping Cannonball up in it before he knew what was happening.
THAT is speedblitzing.
THAT is something Thanos has a 0 positive track record in.
So there!
😛
Originally posted by leonidasso gladiator loses to blackbolt,loses to Thor,loses to Hulk,and gets check by cannon ball, has used thanos before to do a job he couldnt do himself(because he wasnt strong enough) and KNOWS that Thanos is stronger than he is, which would dramatically effect this battle seing as it would severley hurt his confidence, YET we are the ones that are "glib"
glib? moi? 😖hifty:
someones been watching their vh1.