Originally posted by King KAM
so gladiator loses to blackbolt,loses to Thor,loses to Hulk,and gets check by cannon ball, has used thanos before to do a job he couldnt do himself(because he wasnt strong enough) and KNOWS that Thanos is stronger than he is, which would dramatically effect this battle seing as it would severley hurt his confidence, YET we are the ones that are "glib"someones been watching their vh1.
PIS - all of it! Ph3ar the speedblitz!!!
Originally posted by Juntai
That sure is truth.
Wrong. Take a look:
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/InfinityGauntlet4p37.jpg
Thanos has his hand down and head turned the instant surfer arrives. On the other hand, Cap is oblivious, and in fact by the time Cap finishes throwing his punch (which thanos obviously does not even feel), surfer is a galaxy away.
There is no explanation for this other than to say, AS MARVEL ITSELF SAYS IN HIS PROFILE, (not just in the numerical speed power ratings) that Thanos has godlike reflexes.
Let's turn the table: when has gladiator OR superman shown the ability to react to something moving at millions of times the speed of light?Thanos reacts that fast with a cosmic blast or punch and both of them go down before they even MOVE.
These debates are ridiculous. They remind me of a time a friend in high school told me I couldn't prove he'd lose a 1on1 game to michael jordan because they'd never played against each other, and mj had never defended his hook.
PS THe friend, while a pretty good player, was about 6'2".
Oh, and it's worth emphasizing, this is how fast thanos reacted WHEN SURPRISED. In a 1on1 fight, when you can see your enemy coming, it's a whole different story. Reaction speed when prepared is many times faster than reaction speed when surprised.
The real question is why thanos doesn't speed blitz everyone he fights, not vice versa. YOu have to be FAR FAR faster than someone to dodge their blow when you're not prepared for it. Anyone who's done any sort of martial arts/boxing would know this.
It sure looks like Thanos reacted slow to me. Faster than Cap, yes. But I'd expect that. Like I said before, Thanos might be able to perceive FTL speeds (like Deathstroke), but it doesn't mean he can fight it. He'd just perceive his tail getting kicked in by speedblitzes. 🙂
Don't know about Gladiator aside from him FIGHTING at 100x FTL speeds, but I know Superman has lots of high speed reaction feats with FTL characters. Just look at his battles against people like Flash and Wonder Woman. He's more than able to keep up.
Thanos? Not so much. 🙁
No Thanos doesn't care about people who would never be a threat or interest to him. Thanos goes after higher battles Gladiator went up against Thor & Silver Surfer people who are below Thanos. Thanos fights Skyfathers and Higher beings like Elders,Inbetweener,Galactus,and Tyrant. Thanos fighting Gladiator is like Thanos fighting a kid.
Originally posted by demigawd
It sure looks like Thanos reacted slow to me. Faster than Cap, yes. But I'd expect that. Like I said before, Thanos might be able to perceive FTL speeds (like Deathstroke), but it doesn't mean he can fight it. He'd just perceive his tail getting kicked in by speedblitzes. 🙂Don't know about Gladiator aside from him FIGHTING at 100x FTL speeds, but I know Superman has lots of high speed reaction feats with FTL characters. Just look at his battles against people like Flash and Wonder Woman. He's more than able to keep up.
Thanos? Not so much. 🙁
Slow? Say surfer just missed, which is wrong. (how often do heralds miss picking up stationary objects?) But say that's what happened for the sake of argument.
Surfer was a few feet away after missing, and thanos had his hand lowered and his head turned. That means he can turn his head and move his hand in the same time surfer (traveling at something like 30 million times the speed of light) moved a few feet.
If he can move his hand that fast, that would imply that he could throw trillions of punches (actually, more than trillions, but you get the point) in one second.
When has gladiator, superman, or even flash shown that ability?
Superman has exactly zero high speed feats reacting to someone moving at millions of times the speed of light. AFAIK, Flash has no COMBAT or REACTION feats against someone going at that speed, only travel. Wonder woman's speed feats are laughable in comparison.
If this is your best example of thanos "moving slow", then thanos is the fastest being in the marvel universe. Even when he's surprised.
I'm not committed to this position because I look at fight outcomes rather than trying to scientifically analyze specific powers as if comics were the real world. But it's not an implausible position, if one is using this evidence alone to judge speed/reactions.
Originally posted by golem370
No Thanos doesn't care about people who would never be a threat or interest to him. Thanos goes after higher battles Gladiator went up against Thor & Silver Surfer people who are below Thanos. Thanos fights Skyfathers and Higher beings like Elders,Inbetweener,Galactus,and Tyrant. Thanos fighting Gladiator is like Thanos fighting a kid.
Not so much a kid as a bug. A kid might actually hurt an adult, and beat him a few times if he wasn't looking.
Edit: actually, i think you meant gladiator might as well be a normal kid. In that case, I agree.
Originally posted by slade10
Surfer was a few feet away after missing, and thanos had his hand lowered and his head turned. That means he can turn his head and move his hand in the same time surfer (traveling at something like 30 million times the speed of light) moved a few feet.
You'll notice that Cap was already in the middle of forming his fist and readying an attack at the same time. In the page before, which I've posted for your viewing pleasure, he wasn't in that position. So are you going to say that Cap can react at millions of times the speed of light too?
And yet, we have both Thanos AND Cap in totally different positions in the same frame.
What they (and we're) actually seeing is an afterimage. Either that or Cap has "godlike" reflexes too, lol.
As such, I can safely disregard the rest of your extrapolations in your post.
Our conclusion? We know that Thanos is at least a bit faster than Cap. But not all that much.
What are you talking about? that shows nothing but cap's head. You have no idea what his posture is, or at what point those images are supposed to represent relative to surfer's blitz. And if cap could change his posture that quickly, why would they show surfer a galaxy away by the time he throws his punch? Did cap suddenly slow his punch down mid swing?
The other image has clear indisputable proof. This one is a picture of a guy's head. This is your best argument?
In any event, if it did show cap changing postures in the time it took for surfer to move a few feet, then yes, by your logic that would count as a speed feat. And apparently cap would be able to throw trillions of punches in a second as well. (though it would still be puzzling as to why he would slow his punch down to 1/trillionth speed mid punch)
Which means cap > marvel earth and probably cap > dc earth.
Thankfully, it shows nothing of the sort.
I don't know what the big deal is. Surfer was too late and missed, end of story. Does that make Thanos superfast ? Absolutely not. Spider-Man dodges lasers all of the times, and they are waaaay faster than Spider-Man.
I've never seen Thanos "speedblizting" somebody. And his battles with Surfer don't mean a thing, because everybody seems to be able to hit Surfer.
Originally posted by who?-kid
I don't know what the big deal is. Surfer was too late and missed, end of story. Does that make Thanos superfast ? Absolutely not. Spider-Man dodges lasers all of the times, and they are waaaay faster than Spider-Man.I've never seen Thanos "speedblizting" somebody. And his battles with Surfer don't mean a thing, because everybody seems to be able to hit Surfer.
I agree. Spider-man or wolverine or batman dodging lasers does not show they are faster than lasers. What it DOES show is that spider-man can dodge lasers, however nonsensical that seems in the real world with his described powers.
And this scan shows that thanos can dodge something moving at millions of times the speed of life, however nonsensical that seems in the real world with his described powers.
And who else has reacted to surfer (or anyone else) moving at milions of times the speed of light? In either marvel or dc?
<<Don't know about Gladiator aside from him FIGHTING at 100x FTL speeds, but I know Superman has lots of high speed reaction feats with FTL characters. Just look at his battles against people like Flash and Wonder Woman. He's more than able to keep up.>>
glads has NEVER fought at "100x lightspeed"! 😆 i love the way you are defending your position to death -- a position i doubt you even really believe. i feel like i am being devoured by the irony even as i watch you gamely defend the whole "ftl can beat and be an answer to anything"!
superman beats all the cosmics! i always knew it was true!! 😉
Originally posted by slade10
What are you talking about? that shows nothing but cap's head. You have no idea what his posture is, or at what point those images are supposed to represent relative to surfer's blitz.
Exactly, so as proof...it's impossible to conclude that Thanos reacted to Surfer's attempt to grab the gauntlet.
Here's the scan before that...Cap in a completely different posture. By the time the blitz ended, both Cap and Thanos were in completely different positions. Thanos turned his head and saw Surfer as he was passing. Cap was focused on attempting to punch Thanos. In both cases they began and ended with different postures, discrediting the notion that Thanos in fact foiled the attempt.
All it shows is that Thanos was able to see FTL movement - which I don't doubt. But being able to see it being able to fight it are entirely different things. Entirely.
Either way, for one of the only showings of Thanos "reacting" to FTL actions, it's dubious indeed. Too much so.
And if cap could change his posture that quickly, why would they show surfer a galaxy away by the time he throws his punch? Did cap suddenly slow his punch down mid swing?
No, but you'll note that from the time Surfer started his run to the time he ended it, Cap was able to go from a neutral position to a combat position preparing for a punch. That's more than enough time for several thoughts. I'd expect Thanos to sense the approach if he has several thoughts worth of time. But he still didn't react to it until after it was over. That's why he looked back at Surfer instead of forward at him.
To me, that's slow.
Originally posted by leonidas
<<Don't know about Gladiator aside from him FIGHTING at 100x FTL speeds, but I know Superman has lots of high speed reaction feats with FTL characters. Just look at his battles against people like Flash and Wonder Woman. He's more than able to keep up.>>glads has NEVER fought at "100x lightspeed"! 😆 i love the way you are defending your position to death -- a position i doubt you even really believe. i feel like i am being devoured by the irony even as i watch you gamely defend the whole "ftl can beat and be an answer to anything"!
superman beats all the cosmics! i always knew it was true!! 😉
Tell that to kgkg! He'll tell you that Gladiator was fighting at 100x FTL!
Arguing speedblitzes is fun and easy! Everybody should do it! I told you, I've been living wrong all these years....
I forgot the scan...
Originally posted by demigawd
Exactly, so as proof...it's impossible to conclude that Thanos reacted to Surfer's attempt to grab the gauntlet.Here's the scan before that...Cap in a completely different posture. By the time the blitz ended, both Cap and Thanos were in completely different positions. Thanos turned his head and saw Surfer as he was passing. Cap was focused on attempting to punch Thanos. In both cases they began and ended with different postures, discrediting the notion that Thanos in fact foiled the attempt.
All it shows is that Thanos was able to see FTL movement - which I don't doubt. But being able to see it being able to fight it are entirely different things. Entirely.
Either way, for one of the only showings of Thanos "reacting" to FTL actions, it's dubious indeed. Too much so.
No, but you'll note that from the time Surfer started his run to the time he ended it, Cap was able to go from a neutral position to a combat position preparing for a punch. That's more than enough time for several thoughts. I'd expect Thanos to sense the approach if he has several thoughts worth of time. But he still didn't react to it until after it was over. That's why he looked back at Surfer instead of forward at him.
To me, that's slow.
Originally posted by leonidas*shakes his head* we just cant win this one Leo....they just wont listen....
<<Don't know about Gladiator aside from him FIGHTING at 100x FTL speeds, but I know Superman has lots of high speed reaction feats with FTL characters. Just look at his battles against people like Flash and Wonder Woman. He's more than able to keep up.>>glads has NEVER fought at "100x lightspeed"! 😆 i love the way you are defending your position to death -- a position i doubt you even really believe. i feel like i am being devoured by the irony even as i watch you gamely defend the whole "ftl can beat and be an answer to anything"!
superman beats all the cosmics! i always knew it was true!! 😉
Originally posted by King KAM
he hates thanos......and likes batman....im not too sure...
lol...now I'm a Thanos hater and Batman fanboy, too!
I wish I could go back in time and say to Demigawd 1/19/2006, "Did you know that next week you're going to be accused of being a Superman and Batman fanboy and Thanos hater?". Just to see the reaction on his/my face. 🙂
Originally posted by demigawdand a sicko....perv
lol...now I'm a Thanos hater and Batman fanboy, too!I wish I could go back in time and say to Demigawd 1/19/2006, "Did you know that next week you're going to be accused of being a Superman and Batman fanboy and Thanos hater?". Just to see the reaction on his/my face. 🙂
