Originally posted by Nephthys
Man that girl is Lolitastic.
1. That's a crappy drawing of her.
2. She's actually got some curves in other drawings from the manga.
3. She looks like a deformed being with legs longer than the rest of her body.
4. She's too small there, compared to Starrk.
In other words, it's not the best of pictures to be chubbing over.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Dude, shes a cartoon. I like Lolicon, I do not like pedophilia. Theres a marked difference.
I noticed that you didn't actually answer my question.
"I thought you were against sex with minors?"
Under the law, that's pedophilia, by the way.
And sexual attraction to a sexually underdeveloped human is pedophilia. No boobs, no pubes: it's pedophilia by psychology's standards, as well.
Drawing an arbitrary line in the sand and pretending that it isn't bad is just that: arbitrary.
Originally posted by Astner
Exactly, one is legal the other isn't.
Lolicon porn/hentai is not legal in the US or Canada.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_cartoon_pornography_depicting_minors#United_States
Behold and be warned the case from the Virginia man: 20 years in prison.
Another dude in Idaho got 15 months.
I'm just sayin'....be careful.
Edit - Wait, you're British? I knew you were a wanker. 313
Originally posted by dadudemon
I noticed that you didn't actually answer my question."I thought you were against sex with minors?"
Under the law, that's pedophilia, by the way.
And sexual attraction to a sexually underdeveloped human is pedophilia. No boobs, no pubes: it's pedophilia by psychology's standards, as well.
Drawing an arbitrary line in the sand and pretending that it isn't bad is just that: arbitrary.
I don't see the distinction between 'real' and 'not real' as being arbitrary. If I enjoy killing people in Hitman or Manhunt, does that make me a murderer or a psychopath? No, of course not.
I'm not a pedophile. I do not look at small children and get a raging boner. I would never rape a child. Because that is absolutely what it is: Rape. There is a clear difference. Reality and Non-Reality. Actions and Fantasy.
oh and on its legality **** DA POLEESE!
Originally posted by EvilAngel
Actually it's illegal to display pictures of people under a certain age in most countries.While she may be any age, her physical body is under the age limit.
The only country where I'm certain that's not the case is Japan ironically enough...
Originally posted by Nephthys
I don't see the distinction between 'real' and 'not real' as being arbitrary. If I enjoy killing people in Hitman or Manhunt, does that make me a murderer or a psychopath? No, of course not.
That's a distinction that is arbitrary from a psychological perspective: you're still sexually attracted to an underdeveloped human regardless of it being "not real".
And using the very much apples to oranges comparison of killing in a video game versus becoming sexually aroused by images of minors (whether real or fake) just shows a giant lack of understanding on both the laws and psychology. In other words, it's a fail argument. 🙂
Originally posted by Nephthys
I'm not a pedophile.
You sure are: it's a form of pedophilia in the UK if you pursue lolicon hentai in the UK. That's the law, son. You're legally an un-convicted pedo: reported to the police. 😐
So, how does it feel to be a sexual deviant by your laws? 😄
I hope you know that I'm just taking the piss: I think lolicon or any type of virtual porn should be legal: if no children were harmed in the making of the fabricated porn, I say let people have at it.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I do not look at small children and get a raging boner. I would never rape a child. Because that is absolutely what it is: Rape. There is a clear difference. Reality and Non-Reality. Actions and Fantasy.
Well, calling it rape is still arbitrary for the same reasons calling you a pedo for looking at lolicon in the UK.
It's a legal term. In one way (psychologically), if both humans are consenting, it's not rape, at all. In other ways (again, psychologically) it is considered rape.
Some people harp on "informed decision" but how informed it is, is actually arbitrary.
Like I said in the GDF, an 8 year old may be able to form an informed decision much better than a normal 25 year old adult (it depends on both humans). The line is arbitrary and so is calling it rape. It COULD be handled in a case by case basis and I'm more for that: let a psychologist (specializing in that area) determine if the minor could form an informed decision. Hell, have a panel do so. I'm more about science ruling the courts and not a jury of laymen: sometimes, that's just not appropriate.
Originally posted by Nephthys
oh and on its legality **** DA POLEESE!
lol
Originally posted by Astner
How is that even determined in terms of anime and manga though?
Check this out: in Australia, even "small t*ts" porn can be illegal and fall under child pronz laws. If they are made to look like a minor or something, it's illegal. It's arbitrary and is really case by case...but it goes to show you that even consenting adult porn, even if mild, can fall under child porn laws.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
If she had an age, wouldn't she be the same age as Starrk?I dun think it is pedo cause she is not a human. Or a female for that matter, since she started like as something of ambiguous gender.
Well, report yourself to your police and let us know if it is illegal to bate to lily pictures. lol
Originally posted by Astner
How is that even determined in terms of anime and manga though?
Basically if the person is prepubescent or their age can be confirmed in another manner. Generally it's looks all the way though. If they appear to be under the age of 16/18* then yeah, it's illegal
(*16 in some countries 18 in others. 21 in rare instances)
Originally posted by Astner
To be fair, I vaguely recall a painting in our city's museum with naked children chasing each other in the background of the painting and Nephthys makes a very good point.
That's not illegal under the "artistic" expression clause in the law (in the US, that is).
These days, though, you may not be able to do stuff like that. It's usually the old stuff that is protected.
Also, I don't think you can use a live nude child model to paint that stuff.
Originally posted by EvilAngel
Basically if the person is prepubescent or their age can be confirmed in another manner. Generally it's looks all the way though. If they appear to be under the age of 16/18* then yeah, it's illegal(*16 in some countries 18 in others. 21 in rare instances)
I'm actually amazed that you know so much about this stuff.
I know about this stuff because my degree is in cyber security and child porn is a big subject covered in Cyber Security: we are the "lucky" individuals that have to collect the digital forensics for the prosecutors so we also have to be intimately familiar with the CP laws.
So my question is, how do you know so much about cyber law? 😄