The Official BLEACH series Thread

Started by dadudemon524 pages
Originally posted by Nephthys
Except that Tsukishimas Fullbring is the ability to cut through virtually anything. 😐

Ahhhh.. Okay. Then I am satisfied.

However, we know for a fact that Ginjo was lying.

I would say that his fullbring can cut anything...but it can manipulate memories, as well.

Good catch, though.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Indeed. The idea of Tsukishima not being able to cut it seems silly to me.

But that's just me. 😛

Take away the statement about it being able to cut anything and we definitely end up with Fullbringers being somewhere lower than Lieutenants. Just to me, at least.

With Ichigo's boost, I think they got boosted to Lieutenant level.

But...Tsukishima didn't take the upgrade. Does that mean he was already at Lieutenant/Captain level due to his hax powers.

I also want to know how Ichigo was able to lop off Tsukishima's arm with his Power Ranger get up in a few short panels, where it took this long for Byakuya to beat him. Even if Tsukishima was playing around with Ichigo that just seems pretty weird to me.

Byakuya was being overly cautious for no ****ing reason.

Now, what would have been awesome, is if they got rid of this scene. Why? Because Tsukishima already cut Zakura. It would allow Tsukishima to have the advantage while Byakuya could wonder "How does he know about the Zero Damage Zone?" And after some dicking around, Tsukishima could explain it or Byakuya could figure it out. This allows both characters to remain calm and cool while making it understandable why Byakuya is having a difficult time.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
But...Tsukishima didn't take the upgrade. Does that mean he was already at Lieutenant/Captain level due to his hax powers.

He was, imo, at a very low lieutenant level. Ginjo was higher.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
I also want to know how Ichigo was able to lop off Tsukishima's arm with his Power Ranger get up in a few short panels, where it took this long for Byakuya to beat him. Even if Tsukishima was playing around with Ichigo that just seems pretty weird to me.

My point exactly. I would not put Ichigo, in that form, at much higher than an average lieutenant.

We doesn't really have enough to judge *what* his level was before... but he can apparently cut himself more training anyway.

I'm guessing how he originally got strong might've been cutting himself extensive training with Ginjo.

http://www.mangareader.net/bleach/456/11

Looks like I was right about Tsukishima's broken power after all.

I wouldn't put much stock in the translation personally, but it does seem you were right. Its a really freaking confusing and odd power. You can insert yourself into actual events but only into a persons personal past? How the hell does that work?

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/bleach/v47/c456/11.html

Well Mangastream's gives us a similar translation. 😛

His power reminds me of Trunks and his time machine.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
http://www.mangareader.net/bleach/456/11

Looks like I was right about Tsukishima's broken power after all.

Actually, you weren't, even in the slightest.

He says that it doesn't control memories or time at all...and then makes the assertion that it controls the time and memory of the individual in the very next statement.

Meaning, he makes a direct contradiction.

I was that page that made me believe what I do about his power.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Actually, you weren't, even in the slightest.

He says that it doesn't control memories or time at all...and then makes the assertion that it controls the time and memory of the individual in the very next statement.

I dont think he does.

But he isn't changing memories. He is literally putting himself in their past. It's just some weird thing that apparently only affects the target, not anyone else.

Like how Trunks went back in time to tell everyone to destroy the Androids. It didn't change his future, it just created the opportunity for a different future.

Except what Tsukishima is doing here is somehow just affecting one target at a time. Which doesn't make any sense but that's what is stated so that is what I'm gonna go with.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican

Anyway, the probable reality is that even Kubo doesn't even really know how his powers work. He just decided to use "memories" as the theme for his powerset and makes shit up on the fly, in typical Kubo style.

This is the only correct answer.

What the **** do you think you're doing?

You're supposed to be in my kitchen, making me a sandwich.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I dont think he does.

You and I talked about this, before.

If he changes the past and manipulates it any way he wants...just for the individual, he is doing two direct things:

1. He is manipulating the memories of the individual. Even if he is changing the literal past of the individual, that also changes the memories of the person to align with that past change.

2. He is directly altering time by changing things that have happened in the past. This is Marty McFly level shit.

So those are two direct contradictions to the notion that "he is not changing the past nor is he changing memories." As fact, that's exactly what he's doing.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
But he isn't changing memories. He is literally putting himself in their past. It's just some weird thing that apparently only affects the target, not anyone else.

Incorrect. In order to hold the position that he changes the past for just that invidual, you must also concede the notion that the information held on the neurons for that person are also changing to align with that "past" change: he is literally altering their memories by changing their past.

The fact that Kubo felt the need to contradict himself on the same exact page is telling of what a shitty author he can be at times.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Like how Trunks went back in time to tell everyone to destroy the Androids. It didn't change his future, it just created the opportunity for a different future.

Again, incorrect. Toriyama accommodated this by creating alternate universes. That is, shockingly, well in tune with some theoretical quantum physicists theories: we can create entire universes by taking certain actions. In Bleach, that is not occurring. It is the same universe and everything is preserved. Only the individual is affected. If he literally changed the past, all those surrounding the person would also be affected. Since they are not, his power is not as he claims it: it is more likely a memory alteration than actually changing the past.

It would be different if the world went fuzzy and then they ended up elsewhere. Then I would say, "oh shit, nigga....he changed the past and, therefore, transplanted them into an entirely new universe! That's in line with some modern theories of quantum mechanics, yo!" Since that does not occur, what Tsukishima is saying his power is, is incorrect (we know that because he contradicts himself on the same page...I don't think Kubo knows that he is doing that).

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Except what Tsukishima is doing here is somehow just affecting one target at a time. Which doesn't make any sense but that's what is stated so that is what I'm gonna go with.

If you "just go with it", you'll be wrong. You can be wrong, as an author, in your own fictional universe. It happens. There's no need to go along with Kubo's stupidity: you do not have to accept it.

Here's another example: Stephanie Meyer wrote in her 4th and final book from her Twilight series that the La Push Native Americans were not werewolves but shapeshifters. 1. That's wrong because a werewolf IS a shapeshifter. 2. The original werewolves, in European lore, changed from man into literal wolves...the wolf-human hybrid appearance thingie is only a recent development (recent as in the last few hundred years or so). So, she can claim that they are not werewolves but by the definition, they are werewolves. Some have apologized for her mistake by stating that there are literal werewolves in that universe (fact) and they are not the same as the La Push kind meaning, in her universe, there is a different but real version of what they all call "werewolves". That's fine...but let's not mince words to be right: both "brands" would be werewolves.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
This is the only correct answer.

I somewhat agree with your point. I don't wholly agree because of the "memory" points I have brought up. No matter what anyone says...Tsukishima is still altering the memories of the person.

Blax is probably right though.

He wrote up some convoluted bullshit as Tsukishima's power and then stuff happened.

**** it, never mind. Let's just say Kubo can't write.

You are weak.

Originally posted by NemeBro
You are weak.

That reminds me: How in the world do the Fullbringers think they're the weak ones? There weren't any Shinigami or Hollows that beat them up in the past. They apparently only dealt with normal humans. How are they weak compared to normal people? They have super powers!

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
That reminds me: How in the world do the Fullbringers think they're the weak ones? There weren't any Shinigami or Hollows that beat them up in the past. They apparently only dealt with normal humans. How are they weak compared to normal people? They have super powers!

Just a matter of numbers. They view it as, they were weak and victimized before, and then they got powers but the world is still against them, gaining power didn't suddenly put them on top, make them loved, etc., so they need to band together and create something new.

Maybe Tsukishima can make then feel victimised. Implant feelings and shit.

Or Ginjo manipulated them into feeling like the victims.