The Official BLEACH series Thread

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
**** it, never mind. Let's just say Kubo can't write.

Agreed: Blax has shown me the light.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
That reminds me: How in the world do the Fullbringers think they're the weak ones? There weren't any Shinigami or Hollows that beat them up in the past. They apparently only dealt with normal humans. How are they weak compared to normal people? They have super powers!

Ditto. But there is a reason which I suspect someone knows the answer to already...

Originally posted by Nephthys
Or Ginjo manipulated them into feeling like the victims.

...and Nephthys with the score. 🙂

Originally posted by dadudemon

Kubo is taking a "shintoism"* approach to the world.

Everything has a soul. Even inanimate objects. If they have a soul, then they have memories and are "alive" on some level.

Therefore, he can cut them and manipulate their memories.

Shintoism is an indigenous Japanese belief. It comes in multiple flavors. I am referring to the "animism" aspects of those flavors of animism, of course.

I hope that helps explain why he can cut the memories of a concrete slab.

No... What's confusing the hell out of me is the same as what several people have already pointed out. If Shima wasn't directly affecting the past and was soley messing around with memories alone, then how in the hell did that trap get set from the ground? Am I supposed to take that as the ground instinctively coming to Shima's defense in the same manner Ighico's friends did? I'm inclined to believe not because Shima states he set that up, and he calls it out before it happens, so it doesn't look like it was the environment coming to his aid, but rather something he actually DID to effect the physical environment of the present. But then again, there's the issue of him only changing the "past" of the single person he's targeting so it doesn't look like he's actually affecting the past but rather memories like you suggested. The boobytrap issue is a massive inconsistency to this notion though.

I guess the easy answer is what's already been stated about Kubo's writing.... "talents" making it up on the fly.... but it IS confusing.

As for the fullbringers and spiritual pressure. I kind of assumed that they just didn't have any, that their powers were.... more physical than spiritual.... or something.

Originally posted by jinzin
I get the approach via shintoism. That isn't an issue. Truth be told I sometimes feel sorry for innanimate objects I have to throw away, as if I'm doing harm to their soul or something.

That's awesome that you think that. (Seriously)

I always thought you were one of those raging atheists (I just assumed). Some part of me thinks that part of animism is true, as well..but it may just be the "gaia" concept: all of the inanimate objects and non-sentient organisms are part of the greater soul/being known a the earth/gaia. Sounds like new age hippy crap, but it makes sense to me.

Originally posted by jinzin
No... What's confusing the hell out of me is the same as what several people have already pointed out. If Shima wasn't directly affecting the past and was soley messing around with memories alone, then how in the hell did that trap get set from the ground?

You didn't get to read all of my posts on this. Basically, all fullbringers can manipulate the souls of stuff around them. I used the example of Ginjo pulling the alcohol to his mouth.

Each fullbringer affects souls a bit different but they can all change them in some way (be it memories, shape, or state).

So Tsukishima changing the physical actions of the soul, of the ground, is just an extension of both his particular brand of fullbring AND the ability for a fullbring to physically be able to manipulate the soul of stuff...even inanimate objects (which are supposed to have souls in Kubo's universe).

Originally posted by jinzin
Am I supposed to take that as the ground instinctively coming to Shima's defense in the same manner Ighico's friends did?

No, Tsukishima manipulated the grounds' soul's memory and physical configuration.

Originally posted by jinzin
I'm inclined to believe not because Shima states he set that up, and he calls it out before it happens, so it doesn't look like it was the environment coming to his aid, but rather something he actually DID to effect the physical environment of the present. But then again, there's the issue of him only changing the "past" of the single person he's targeting so it doesn't look like he's actually affecting the past but rather memories like you suggested. The boobytrap issue is a massive inconsistency to this notion though.

Of this, I agree.

He is manipulating the memory of the soul...but combines it with the physical alteration that fullbringers have.

Even if we assume that he actually alters the past of the soul...he still affects the memories of that soul so we are stuck with the same outcome, no matter what: he changes the memories.

Kubo still contradicted himself.

Originally posted by jinzin
I guess the easy answer is what's already been stated about Kubo's writing.... "talents" making it up on the fly.... but it IS confusing.

Yes, Blaxican nailed it. Kubo is an idiot.

Originally posted by jinzin
As for the fullbringers and spiritual pressure. I kind of assumed that they just didn't have any, that their powers were.... more physical than spiritual.... or something.

This is also something that I hold "in secret" but will not voice because I have to be right. 313

You think Aizen ever used his power to make people feel like they were tasting shit? I would.

Maybe that's why the vizards were so mad at him 😄

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
You think Aizen ever used his power to make people feel like they were tasting shit? I would.

😐

Aizen has had shit eating grins before. vin

http://mangastream.com/read/bleach/35044737/1

I kinda liked it. I guess.

do you guys think that this new story is going to be another section of kubo's turn back the pendulum arc or just a standard informative flashback?? ginjo does have a point though. he knows ichigo enough that without his friends in danger, he doesn't really have a reason to fight him anymore besides swooping on his powers that he has back now too. hopefully, this will play out and have a good fight. i'm interested to see more of ginjo's powerset.

I guess Byakuya is friends with Ichigo now?

I liked the handwave for why the others can't help Ichigo. I promised not to! Nice.

Looks like we're getting to the 'Soul Socirty is evil' part. I hope its good.

I'll take anything so long as Ikkaku is removed from this manga.

I don't even like Renji but the minute Ikkaku started talking shit to him, I wanted to reach in the manga and smack him. Renji would roflstomp that bald ***** with the back of his hand.

**** Ikkaku.

Um...... ok?

Y so serious bro?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Um...... ok?

Y so serious bro?

I ish only half serious. I think it is akin to Spoony's hate of Tidus.

Ikkaku would beat Renji's punk ass though.

By Renji's own admission Ikkaku is the shiznit.

So, like, is Ichigo unable to use his Bankai or something?

He's saving it for when its the most dramatically convenient.

I wonder if he still has his Inner Hollow.

Wonder how strong Ginjo is?

Well, he copied Ichigo's power, so they should both be captain class right now.

Btw, clever of him to undercut Ichigo's motivation like that. "Well, the guy you wanted to beat me to get to is already dead. So, what are you after now?"

Uh...since Riruka apparently did something to Rukia, does that mean that she will finally get a rack? just wondering.

Hmm.....as long as Ginjo does something to advance the story. Sheesh, the anime's already on canon material yet they have almost have nothing to work with.

Aura: I agree with you on Ikkaku though Kenpachi kind of ticked me off too. Funny cause I kind of liked Kenpachi.

lol @ Toshiro talking down to Kenny like a bawss. Damn right bra