Kurse vs. Classic Juggernaut

Originally posted by Galan007
most of the time juggy's FF is invisible, but here's a rare glimpse of what it actually looks like:

so yes. one would have to get through it, before they'd reach juggy's actual body. in kurse's case he'd have to do so physically - a feat i cannot possibly fathom happening.

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as far as juggy being able to strike/grab with the FF up? yes, he apparently can:

I knew this fight would be brought up. However going by this fight, isnt his FF the sole source of his durability? Many have talked about its innaccuracy in its portrayal of the FF. Is there any other fight where it was shown? further if this is the only fight then is this FF really a valid ability for jugs to employ since it would be the only time he has ever used it?Im asking this because if we are to assume that jugs FF is on but invisible in most of his fights then how do u explain all the times he has been hit/grabbed and such? They would automatically discredit this instance.

Originally posted by Naija boy
I knew this fight would be brought up. However going by this fight, isnt his FF the sole source of his durability? Many have talked about its innaccuracy in its portrayal of the FF. Is there any other fight where it was shown? further if this is the only fight then is this FF really a valid ability for jugs to employ since it would be the only time he has ever used it?Im asking this because if we are to assume that jugs FF is on but invisible in most of his fights then how do u explain all the times he has been hit/grabbed and such? They would automatically discredit this instance.

and if we are using 'classic' juggernaut, the FF is part of his powerset. that much has never been argued in any forum battle involving 'classic' juggy. it's a tactic he could certainly employ here.

Originally posted by Galan007
juggy used it in his first two separate fights with thor.

and if we are using 'classic' juggernaut, the FF is part of his powerset. that much has never been argued in any forum battle involving 'classic' juggy. it's a tactic he could certainly employ here.

Thing is that in his fight with thor in thor 411-412, Thor was able to send him flying with a punch while the forcefield was up. That is just one of the many instances that contradict what happened in the instance in which thor couldnt touch juggernaut with the forcefield up. That incident would therefore be a misportrayal of jugs forcefield and hence invalid (as many already claim).

Originally posted by Naija boy
Thing is that in his fight with thor in thor 411-412, Thor was able to send him flying with a punch while the forcefield was up. That is just one of the many instances that contradict what happened in the instance in which thor couldnt touch juggernaut with the forcefield up. That incident would therefore be a misportrayal of jugs forcefield and hence invalid (as many already claim).

ohh and the scans i posted aren't from 411-412, btw. 😉

Originally posted by Galan007
thor physically moving juggy one time [when juggy was NOT ready for it,] certainly doesn't contradict the other FF showings juggy has [ie. slowing down mjolnir to a near-standstill, shrugging off ALL of thor's blasts (godblast included), etc.]

ohh and the scans i posted aren't from 411-412, btw. 😉

Because I remember him being stopped and forced back from it...

Originally posted by Naija boy
Confirmed it where? Regardless as was shown on panel juggernaut was moving forward and that indicates it was another type of strength at work there and certainly not his brute physical strength beibng referred to here.

He confirmed it in a debate he was involved in on CBR. He stated that this wasn't like Peter Parker Spider-Man #84 called "Nothing stops the Juggernaut". He said Juggernaut was there specifically to kick Hulks ass so the unstoppability enchantment was never a factor. I provided the link to said CBR discussion in the revamped Juggernaut respect thread I recently finished. It's in the battle section under the Juggernaut/WWH fight.

As for this thread. There's absolutely no precedent for 1 purely physical brick to have a BFR advantage over another purely physical brick. For that to happen we'd have to be talking about hyper bricks like SA Mangog who's 12' tall and 3,500lbs or PC Validus who is some 15' tall. Both of these cats have the size and strength to easily swat someone like Juggernaut into the next time zone and, let's be honest, they probably would. They'd most likely consider Juggernaut to be a pest and wouldn't want to waste their time.

This fight is a stalemate as I said in my first post.

Originally posted by Blanket
He shrugged off the G-Blast?

Because I remember him being stopped and forced back from it...

He shrugged it off. Stopping him isn't damaging him.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
He shrugged it off. Stopping him isn't damaging him.

Juggernaut doesn't mean you can be stopped via forward motion only. It means you can't be stopped period.

He stopped Juggernaut from advancing, yes. He didn't kill or even damage the Juggernaut in any way.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Juggernaut doesn't mean you can be stopped via forward motion only. It means you can't be stopped period.

He stopped Juggernaut from advancing, yes. He didn't kill or even damage the Juggernaut in any way.

Originally posted by Galan007
thor physically moving juggy one time [when juggy was NOT ready for it,] certainly doesn't contradict the other FF showings juggy has [ie. slowing down mjolnir to a near-standstill, shrugging off ALL of thor's blasts (godblast included), etc.]

ohh and the scans i posted aren't from 411-412, btw. 😉

Those other FF showings arent in the same vein as what im talking about. The forcefield Slowing down the hammer actually shows that things can move through the forcefield as instead of simply stopping the hammer it gradually reduced its momentum as the hammer was passing thru. Also him shrugging off thors other attacks doesnt have anything to do with thor being able to touch him or not. (and the godblast did force him back)

I know. thats why i referenced the issue

Originally posted by Blanket
But he stopped him, and that is not Juggy's FF shrugging off an attack.

Yeah, he stopped him. Big deal. Tanking a blast that scared Galactus and damaged a Celestial is shrugging it off IMO.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Yeah, he stopped him. Big deal. Tanking a blast that scared Galactus and damaged a Celestial is shrugging it off IMO.

Pretty much just a shoulder shrug.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Tanking a blast that scared Galactus

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
He confirmed it in a debate he was involved in on CBR. He stated that this wasn't like Peter Parker Spider-Man #84 called "Nothing stops the Juggernaut". He said Juggernaut was there specifically to kick Hulks ass so the unstoppability enchantment was never a factor. I provided the link to said CBR discussion in the revamped Juggernaut respect thread I recently finished. It's in the battle section under the Juggernaut/WWH fight.

As for this thread. There's absolutely no precedent for 1 purely physical brick to have a BFR advantage over another purely physical brick. For that to happen we'd have to be talking about hyper bricks like SA Mangog who's 12' tall and 3,500lbs or PC Validus who is some 15' tall. Both of these cats have the size and strength to easily swat someone like Juggernaut into the next time zone and, let's be honest, they probably would. They'd most likely consider Juggernaut to be a pest and wouldn't want to waste their time.

This fight is a stalemate as I said in my first post.

First of all what the writer says in a casual discussion on a forum doesnt supercede what he portrays clearly on panel. Heck juggernauts own unstoppable momentum is what even lost the fight for him and how he got himself BFRed Hulk even remarks "nothing stops the juggernaut?keep on going". how the hell can he now say that the said enchantment was turned off in that fight? What is shown on panel >>>what is said in forum discussions with fans.

And secondly u keep ignoring what i posted. As ive stated before bricks simply squatting each other away DOESNT happen in comics as the characters are able to use their strength to brace themselves and avoid being sent flying miles away with evry punch. If not each fight between superstrong guys would be over with a single punch. Further this tactic im talking about was previously seen when hulk overpowered juggernaut (who had him a in a head lock) picked him up and attempted to throw him back to the military base after failing to hurt him. Kurse is far stronger than juggernaut and so overpowering him would be easy (which removes the ability to brace urself for the attack) and then tossing him away after doing so even easier.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
so this true then juggernaut more durable then the big G? i tought this wuz a joke or somethin some1 started on kmc 🤨

Juggernaut is not as durable as an even remotely well fed galactus let alone more durable.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Juggernaut is not as durable as an even remotely well fed galactus let alone more durable.

Juggernaut has been seen casually punching captain britain for what looks to be a mile, with ground being in the way the whole time. he literally gouged out the earth...

juggernaut has been seen hurtling thor across the sky with a casual backslap... yes a casual backslap.

he is JUST as capable of lifting kurse from the ground and THROWING HIM inot orbit.

if you are going by that ability alone its going to be 50/50

then again juggernaut could always just go trion (the trion stated that it was JUGGERNAUTS POWER) if he gets angry enough or p'od enough.

good luck kurse taking reality destroying punchs.

also, classic juggernaut also had offensive capabilities with his forcefield. not to mention he could cast magic spells also.

i'd say juggernaut has more than enough abilities to stalemate to say the least.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
ok but then how come he can take the GB w/no prob and Galactus cant? 🤨

Galactus wa hungry and exhausted as well by thors own admission. Well fed G would never have that happen to him.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Galactus wa hungry and exhausted as well by thors own admission. Well fed G would never have that happen to him.

but wut about the celestial? iirc Thors GB put a hole in its head or somethin 😉