Originally posted by SoulDevourer
okbut wut about the celestial? iirc Thors GB put a hole in its head or somethin 😉
The GBlast he used against the celestials was more powerful than the one he used against juggy. It was so powerful it shattered his hammer while it was reinforced with the belt of strength.
Originally posted by Naija boy
First of all what the writer says in a casual discussion on a forum doesnt supercede what he portrays clearly on panel. Heck juggernauts own unstoppable momentum is what even lost the fight for him and how he got himself BFRed Hulk even remarks "nothing stops the juggernaut?keep on going". how the hell can he now say that the said enchantment was turned off in that fight? What is shown on panel >>>what is said in forum discussions with fans.
Do you know how to read properly? First off, how is it clear he was using his enchantment when he was pushing Hulk back? If he was, he'd be pushing Hulk back for yards and yards like he did War Hulk. War Hulk only stopped him because of his own enhancements by Apocalypse.
2nd off, the unstoppability wasn't in play when he sent Juggernaut running. Look carefully and you'll see that in one panel Juggernaut looks like he's merely tripping, the very next panel he's sent running when Hulk pushes in him the back.
What the writer says + what was shown on panel >>> your terrible intepretation.
And secondly u keep ignoring what i posted. As ive stated before bricks simply squatting each other away DOESNT happen in comics as the characters are able to use their strength to brace themselves and avoid being sent flying miles away with evry punch. If not each fight between superstrong guys would be over with a single punch. Further this tactic im talking about was previously seen when hulk overpowered juggernaut (who had him a in a head lock) picked him up and attempted to throw him back to the military base after failing to hurt him. Kurse is far stronger than juggernaut and so overpowering him would be easy (which removes the ability to brace urself for the attack) and then tossing him away after doing so even easier.
Overpowering the Juggernaut isn't easy at any strength below high end cosmic. You keep saying Kurse is way stronger than Juggernaut yet you can't seem to back this up. Also, you're not listening to what I'm saying, potentially being stronger doesn't automatically give 1 brick a BFR advantage. Kurse was never portrayed as being particularly strategic. I don't see him going for a BFR even if he could.
Originally posted by jalek moye
Was that the fight where Thor somehow did a little better then an Odin in the destroyer powered by all the asgardians and some other gods?
Not reallly Thor did knock the Celetrial down however the destroyer easily cut of the arm of a celetrials. "even thou it grew back"
Originally posted by JuntaiSpectre is a joke he jobbs left and right horriable example.
Damage isn't really relative to a lot of high end cosmic types.
Black Adam flew through Spectre's face one time, trying to attack him, but the damage to his material form means pretty much nothing.
damage is important. as we haveseen Thor having to use a godblast to break into a celestrial armour. Where as the destroyer cut a whole freakin arm of it.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Do you know how to read properly? First off, how is it clear he was using his enchantment when he was pushing Hulk back? If he was, he'd be pushing Hulk back for yards and yards like he did War Hulk. War Hulk only stopped him because of his own enhancements by Apocalypse.2nd off, the unstoppability wasn't in play when he sent Juggernaut running. Look carefully and you'll see that in one panel Juggernaut looks like he's merely tripping, the very next panel he's sent running when Hulk pushes in him the back.
What the writer says + what was shown on panel >>> your terrible intepretation.
What? Ur logic is so laughably poor it shouldn event be classified as logic. Juggernauts unstoppability enchantment somehow wasnt in play because he was was having a hard time pushing him back? Are u freaking serious? Thats equivalent to saying that when juggernaut was stopped and pushed back by thors godblast his unstoppability enchantment wasnt in play because he got pushed back. Hence anytime jugs is slowed or encounters trouble pushing some object hiis enchantment must not be in play. Get that nonsensical no limits fallacy out of here. The fact that he was having trouble pushing back WWH isnt proof that his enchantment wasnt in play but rather that WWH provided alot of resistance to the enchantment. Bringing up War hulk is another irrelevant point. We know that War hulk had extra enhancements that enabled him to stop juggernaut. Hence when these enhancements kicked in (as seen by the green energy around hulk) he then stopped him. WWH however was going solely on strength and i dare u to prove that prior to the point where War hulks enhancements kicked in, he was stronger than WWH. Further to seal this nonsensical discussion i challenge u to provide concrete evidence that juggernaut can turn on and turn off his enchantments and at will (and show examples of this) which he would need to be able to do in order to for ur ridiculous theory to even be plausible. Since we know that when juggernaut starts moving forward his enchantment of unstoppability kicks in, u are claiming that it somehow did not kick in that situation which is only possible if juggernaut somehow was able to turn it off.
The second part of ur post doesnt prove anything at all. If anything it still shows that hulk used jugs unstoppable momentum against him. In one of the panels use jugs look like he was about to trip. This shows that there WAS forward momentum there and it wasnt just a stand still mercy contest. When hulk then hit his back is equivalent to when a person who is falling gets shoved and stumbles a few steps before finally falling to the ground. In this situation however, jugs momentum was so much that the when combined with the push from hulk it sent him into the river.
What the writer says in a forum discussion is irrelevant when it blatantly contradicts what he portrayed on panel.
Overpowering the Juggernaut isn't easy at any strength below high end cosmic. You keep saying Kurse is way stronger than Juggernaut yet you can't seem to back this up. Also, you're not listening to what I'm saying, potentially being stronger doesn't automatically give 1 brick a BFR advantage. Kurse was never portrayed as being particularly strategic. I don't see him going for a BFR even if he could
lolwut? U think that making blanket unsupported statements like "overpowering juggernaut isnt easy at any strength below high end cosmic" in any way helps ur argument? I have continuously mentioned that Kurse is 4 times as strong as thor and hence that makes him far stronger than juggernaut. In ur recalcitrance uve pretended that u didnt see it. Not only that the only so called strength feat ur banking on which is the WWH thing isnt actually a strength feat and even if we were to go with the disengenous assumption that it was, it would put juggernaut nowhere near Kurse' strength level. If im two times as strong as u are, overpowering u will be pretty easy and if im 4 times as strong as u are it will be undoubtably even easier than that. So ur statement about overpowering juggernaut being difficult for any but high end cosmics is unsupported gibberish.
Moreover, ur the one who is continuously ignoring what ive said. I explained how a character being FAR stronger than his opponent would give him a BFR advantage. Did u attempt to disprove it?..... No. Did u provide any evidence to the contrary?...... No. Instead u simply repeated the same blanket claim that it doesnt give u an advantage without supporting it with anything.
Also u dont have to be strategic at all to know that if after hours of beating the hell out of someone the person isnt hurt its best to get the person the hell away from u and be done with it. Even freaking savage hulk realized this and he is mentally impaired. It might take a while but kurse will eventually realize its best to toss juggernaut out of his way.
Originally posted by Galan007
from a physical standpoint, how in the hell do the kurse supporters expect him to get through juggy's force field? afterall, he'd have to get through that before he could ever get a chance to 'BFR' [lol] juggy.
There are what, 2 incidents of Juggernaut using his forcefield as actively as he did in his fight against Thor. There aren't many incidents where his forcefield magically stops punches from landing on him.