it wouldnt matter if he was tired or not... juggernaut is protected by the crimson bands of cyttorak. Dr. strange said on panel, that the crimson bands of cyttorak are the energy that holds the universe together (i'm not making that up)...
it would mean you would literally have to warp reality to hurt juggernaut physically. or be so physically strong you could warp realtiy (not really possible unless you are a high end cosmic user)...
thor wouldnt be capable of hurting a fully powered juggernaut. nor would kurse.
Originally posted by Naija boy
What? Ur logic is so laughably poor it shouldn event be classified as logic. Juggernauts unstoppability enchantment somehow wasnt in play because he was was having a hard time pushing him back? Are u freaking serious? Thats equivalent to saying that when juggernaut was stopped and pushed back by thors godblast his unstoppability enchantment wasnt in play because he got pushed back. Hence anytime jugs is slowed or encounters trouble pushing some object hiis enchantment must not be in play. Get that nonsensical no limits fallacy out of here. The fact that he was having trouble pushing back WWH isnt proof that his enchantment wasnt in play but rather that WWH provided alot of resistance to the enchantment. Bringing up War hulk is another irrelevant point. We know that War hulk had extra enhancements that enabled him to stop juggernaut. Hence when these enhancements kicked in (as seen by the green energy around hulk) he then stopped him. WWH however was going solely on strength and i dare u to prove that prior to the point where War hulks enhancements kicked in, he was stronger than WWH. Further to seal this nonsensical discussion i challenge u to provide concrete evidence that juggernaut can turn on and turn off his enchantments and at will (and show examples of this) which he would need to be able to do in order to for ur ridiculous theory to even be plausible. Since we know that when juggernaut starts moving forward his enchantment of unstoppability kicks in, u are claiming that it somehow did not kick in that situation which is only possible if juggernaut somehow was able to turn it off.The second part of ur post doesnt prove anything at all. If anything it still shows that hulk used jugs unstoppable momentum against him. In one of the panels use jugs look like he was about to trip. This shows that there WAS forward momentum there and it wasnt just a stand still mercy contest. When hulk then hit his back is equivalent to when a person who is falling gets shoved and stumbles a few steps before finally falling to the ground. In this situation however, jugs momentum was so much that the when combined with the push from hulk it sent him into the river.
What the writer says in a forum discussion is irrelevant when it blatantly contradicts what he portrayed on panel.
None of this makes any sense.
You believe that Juggernauts unstoppability enchantment is on all the time? The moment he moves he's automatically unstoppable? Are you retarded? How the hell does he ever sit down then or lean up against something? How does he ever walk up a flight of stairs? His unstoppability enchantment is something he wills on and off like his armor and helmet or like how he can amp his strength.
Also, the War Hulk thing is very relevant. You have what is already arguable a stronger Hulk in seperated Hulk who was amped with nexus energy who was then further amped by Apocalypse to become War Hulk. Juggernaut still pushed him around for several hundred yards before Hulk finally stopped him. Also, there was obviously not enough traction that if Juggernaut were using his enchantment, the Hulk would've been pushed back evern more because of the ground giving way.
Juggernaut was using strength plain and simple. There's no evidence in that fight to suggest otherwise and Chris Gages comments confirm this. I've provided the proof for my argument. It's now up to you to prove the Juggernaut was using his enchantment.
lolwut? U think that making blanket unsupported statements like "overpowering juggernaut isnt easy at any strength below high end cosmic" in any way helps ur argument? I have continuously mentioned that Kurse is 4 times as strong as thor and hence that makes him far stronger than juggernaut. In ur recalcitrance uve pretended that u didnt see it. Not only that the only so called strength feat ur banking on which is the WWH thing isnt actually a strength feat and even if we were to go with the disengenous assumption that it was, it would put juggernaut nowhere near Kurse' strength level. If im two times as strong as u are, overpowering u will be pretty easy and if im 4 times as strong as u are it will be undoubtably even easier than that. So ur statement about overpowering juggernaut being difficult for any but high end cosmics is unsupported gibberish.Moreover, ur the one who is continuously ignoring what ive said. I explained how a character being FAR stronger than his opponent would give him a BFR advantage. Did u attempt to disprove it?..... No. Did u provide any evidence to the contrary?...... No. Instead u simply repeated the same blanket claim that it doesnt give u an advantage without supporting it with anything.
Also u dont have to be strategic at all to know that if after hours of beating the hell out of someone the person isnt hurt its best to get the person the hell away from u and be done with it. Even freaking savage hulk realized this and he is mentally impaired. It might take a while but kurse will eventually realize its best to toss juggernaut out of his way.
Tell you what. Give me some feats of Kurse's that lead you to believe he's WAY stronger than the Juggernaut. Pure strength feats, not just owning Thor or anything. His bio simply stating his 2 or 4 times stronger than Thor isn't proof enough. I want so hardcore evidence that proves this.
I'll wait.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
None of this makes any sense.You believe that Juggernauts unstoppability enchantment is on all the time? The moment he moves he's automatically unstoppable? Are you retarded? How the hell does he ever sit down then or lean up against something? How does he ever walk up a flight of stairs? His unstoppability enchantment is something he wills on and off like his armor and helmet or like how he can amp his strength.
Also, the War Hulk thing is very relevant. You have what is already arguable a stronger Hulk in seperated Hulk who was amped with nexus energy who was then further amped by Apocalypse to become War Hulk. Juggernaut still pushed him around for several hundred yards before Hulk finally stopped him. Also, there was obviously not enough traction that if Juggernaut were using his enchantment, the Hulk would've been pushed back evern more because of the ground giving way.
Juggernaut was using strength plain and simple. There's no evidence in that fight to suggest otherwise and Chris Gages comments confirm this. I've provided the proof for my argument. It's now up to you to prove the Juggernaut was using his enchantment.
Pure Gibberish. The questions u are asking are inane. How does he ever walk up a flight of stairs? How does he ever lean against a wall or sit down? Are u freaking kidding me? 😂 Those questions dont relate to the nature of his enchantment in the slightest.lol, Firstly i would think that u would realize that when we talk about the juggernaut being unstoppable when he starts moving we are talking about him being stopped by external forces. 😱 Therefore he CAN stop himself when he wants to. Its not that when he starts moving he cant stop himself but that when he starts moving nothing else can stop him. Further i dare u to provide me with instances in which he clearly indicates turning off his unstoppability enchantment while moving forward. I bet u cant and wont and so it remains unsupported gibberish.
And NO the War hulk thing is not relevant even in the slightest. In my previous post i challenged u to prove that War hulk was stronger than WWH prior to the enchancements kicking in. U simply ignored that and made ANOTHER blanket claim that he was "arguably stronger". Trying to base ur argument of juggernauts previous performance in the War hulk fight is ridiculous.
Juggernaut was not using strength at all. He was using his unstoppability enchantment that comes into play when he moves forward. U havent provided any form of proof whatsoever except a forum discussion with a writer which contradicts whats on panel. I have challenged u to show me instances where juggernaut is shown to turn on and off his unstoppability enchantment and you have yet to show anything but instead have provided laughably idiotic questions/analogies which have no relationship at all with whats being discussed. Ur argument is still entirely baseless.
Tell you what. Give me some feats of Kurse's that lead you to believe he's WAY stronger than the Juggernaut. Pure strength feats, not just owning Thor or anything. His bio simply stating his 2 or 4 times stronger than Thor isn't proof enough. I want so hardcore evidence that proves this.
Now ur moving the goalpost and trying to dismiss other forms of evidence post which is logical fallacy. Kurse doesnt have pure strength lifting feats etc and the reason for such is extremely obvious. Other villains like Thanos,Mangog and Durok who are clearly stronger than thor dont have these lifting feats either because frankly there is no reason plotwise for them to go around performing such feats. U cannot simply dismiss the forms of evidence that DO prove he is far stronger than juggernaut because u dont like them. Thats utter nonsense. Kurse has continuously demolished and overpowerd thor in their fights and his amps have been clearly depicted ON panel so there is no disputing them. There is also thors own admission of the fact that Kurse is considerably stronger than him. Thor himself is featwise even superior to juggernaut but in general they are within the same range of strength. Kurse therefore being far stronger than Thor automatically means the same for juggernaut. UR attempt to simply dismiss entirely valid forms of evidence in place of what u inanely describe as "hardcore evidence" (lmao) is completely fallacious and also shows desperation. To completely seal this discussion, even if we take the feat that u r trying to falsely pass of as a strength feat Juggernaut would still be nowhere near Kurses strength level. and so ur argument is stil invalid.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Kurse doesnt have pure strength lifting feats etc and the reason for such is extremely obvious. Other villains like Thanos,Mangog and Durok who are clearly stronger than thor dont have these lifting feats either because frankly there is no reason plotwise for them to go around performing such feats.
so because they dont have pure lifting feats cause they dont need them, juggernaut does??? hmm... despite thor stating that juggernaut was stronger than him also... sounds like you are splitting hairs to me.
Originally posted by Naija boy
U cannot simply dismiss the forms of evidence that DO prove he is far stronger than juggernaut because u dont like them. Thats utter nonsense. Kurse has continuously demolished and overpowerd thor in their fights and his amps have been clearly depicted ON panel so there is no disputing them.
the only way to PROVE who would be stronger would be have them fight each other. not because they both trash thor handily.
Originally posted by Naija boy
There is also thors own admission of the fact that Kurse is considerably stronger than him.
the same with juggernaut.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Thor himself is featwise even superior to juggernaut but in general they are within the same range of strength.
you said it yourself. even kurse doesnt have to prove feats. but juggernaut does??? on panel thor has proven stronger than all of them because of their lack of feats (kurse juggernaut mangog etc.). this doesnt even make sense.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Kurse therefore being far stronger than Thor automatically means the same for juggernaut.
not when i'm seeing juggernaut far stronger than thor also. able to go toe to toe with hulk or kurse or mangog or even the destroyer... you cant say because kurse is stronger than thor, he's stronger than juggernaut. thor has never proven stronger than juggernaut. all we know is that kurse is above thor and juggernaut also. hulk too. by admission.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Crimson Bands of Cytorrak? That shit's been broken by Namor. The forces that hold the Universes together are really weak.
it was because of stranges lack to keep them in place. not because of the bands themselves...
they were enough to restrain GALACTUS.
Originally posted by KillAll
so because they dont have pure lifting feats cause they dont need them, juggernaut does??? hmm... despite thor stating that juggernaut was stronger than him also... sounds like you are splitting hairs to me.
Oh brother, Strawman argumentation right off the bat. I never claimed that juggernaut needed pure lifting feats to show his strength. Also please show me the scan where thor states that regular juggernaut is stronger than him or that is simply a false claim.
the only way to PROVE who would be stronger would be have them fight each other. not because they both trash thor handily.
No. Juggernaut "victories" over thor have come not because of his strength but because of his durability and the fact that thor is unable to hurt him. To be frank the only time where he actually beat thor strengthwise was in the 8th day saga were he was much stronger than he normally is and so thats totally invalid.
the same with juggernaut.
Please show me where such a thing was stated about regular jugs
you said it yourself. even kurse doesnt have to prove feats. but juggernaut does??? on panel thor has proven stronger than all of them because of their lack of feats (kurse juggernaut mangog etc.). this doesnt even make sense.
What? Please stop misrepresenting my arguments and the constant strawmanning. I didnt say Kurse doesnt have to prove feats. Jeez. I said that Kurse doesnt need to use pure lifting feats. Further I never asked for lifting feats for juggernaut only God knows what ur even reading. I asked for feats (any kind of strength feats) from juggernaut showing that he is stronger than Kurse. Moreover on panel thor hasnt proven to be stronger than Kurse or Mangog as theyve both easily overpowered him physically. Juggernaut on the other hand hasnt had such success but instead relies on his durability and mentions his reliance on his forcefield in almost evry fight he has had with thor.
....your right about one thing though, ur post doesnt make sense......at all.
not when i'm seeing juggernaut far stronger than thor also. able to go toe to toe with hulk or kurse or mangog or even the destroyer... you cant say because kurse is stronger than thor, he's stronger than juggernaut. thor has never proven stronger than juggernaut. all we know is that kurse is above thor and juggernaut also. hulk too. by admission.
Juggernaut far stronger than thor? based on what? Also when did he go toe to toe toe with Kurse,mangog or the destroyer? Or if u r simply making the claim that he can, what proof of this is there?. Heck there isnt even any proof that juggernaut is stronger than thor at all. As we saw in his fight with thor when he had his forcefield removed he got thrashed. Once again i ask u to show me where thor admitted to being weaker than regular jugs.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Oh brother, Strawman argumentation right off the bat. I never claimed that juggernaut needed pure lifting feats to show his strength. Also please show me the scan where thor states that regular juggernaut is stronger than him or that is simply a false claim.
by writer admission, and by my own followings, that WAS regular juggernaut. 8th day appeared to be normal and the writer stated that he didnt recieve a power up. the only difference between 8th day was juggernauts will to be somewhere.
Originally posted by Naija boy
No. Juggernaut "victories" over thor have come not because of his strength but because of his durability and the fact that thor is unable to hurt him. To be frank the only time where he actually beat thor strengthwise was in the 8th day saga were he was much stronger than he normally is and so thats totally invalid.
like you said, even though they are "durability" related, juggernaut was still making thor fly all over the place when he was making connections. just because he doesnt have the feats doesnt mean they arent there... even when comparing captain britains statements of being hit by both he says juggernaut hits harder.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Please show me where such a thing was stated about regular jugs
again, writer admission, 8th day was regular juggernaut. its not like juggernaut doesnt have MORE power than 8th day (trion was his own power) to whip thor or kurse with.
Originally posted by Naija boy
What? Please stop misrepresenting my arguments and the constant strawmanning. I [B]didnt say Kurse doesnt have to prove feats. Jeez. I said that Kurse doesnt need to use pure lifting feats. Further I never asked for lifting feats for juggernaut only God knows what ur even reading. I asked for feats (any kind of strength feats) from juggernaut showing that he is stronger than Kurse. Moreover on panel thor hasnt proven to be stronger than Kurse or Mangog as theyve both easily overpowered him physically. Juggernaut on the other hand hasnt had such success but instead relies on his durability and mentions his reliance on his forcefield in almost evry fight he has had with thor.
....your right about one thing though, ur post doesnt make sense......at all.[/B]
all i was saying is that ON PANEL, PURE LIFTING FEATS, thor actually has lifting feats. he beats them all according to that. which is what you are asking me to do. provide feats to prove juggernaut was stronger than thor. but there are no feats for EITHER of them that prove who is stronger... juggernaut/kurse. its a toss up. you cant tell me to do something but then not do it yourself. you are using abc logic.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Juggernaut far stronger than thor? based on what? Also when did he go toe to toe toe with Kurse,mangog or the destroyer? Or if u r simply making the claim that he can, what proof of this is there?. Heck there isnt even any proof that juggernaut is stronger than thor at all. As we saw in his fight with thor when he had his forcefield removed he got thrashed. Once again i ask u to show me where thor admitted to being weaker than regular jugs.
i THINK juggernaut could do it. thats just my opinion. yours is, he cant. thats it. there also isnt any PROOF of kurse being stronger. which is what you are saying he is. if he is, prove it.
even if kurse was stronger (i personally dont believe he is, you obviously do), it is JUST AS LIKELY for juggernaut to pick him up and throw him into orbit (juggernaut has thrown other things into orbit, why not kurse???). i think what stemmed this argument was bfr no?? thats not going to be the case. this fight wont be one that way. and if it is, its 50/50.
if it is according to durability then juggernaut edges out kurse. same with stamina or "other abilities" that classic juggernaut possesses.
i just dont see how kurse wins.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
The score is 2-1 to Thor 😐And giving Juggernaut a win is being pretty generous.
thats not the way i see it. thor negated his power once for 60 seconds. thats the only portion of any fight he was winning. other than that juggernaut took everything and dished out far more without even really having thor in his sights. he was just trashing stuff...
kurse isnt capable of removing juggernauts magics. so he wont pose a problem.
Originally posted by KillAll
thats not the way i see it. thor negated his power once for 60 seconds. thats the only portion of any fight he was winning. other than that juggernaut took everything and dished out far more without even really having thor in his sights. he was just trashing stuff...
kurse isnt capable of removing juggernauts magics. so he wont pose a problem.
Only portion of the fight he was winning, and Juggernaut was a split second away from death. The only reason why Juggernaut lived was because of the 60 second enchantment, which shouldn't have been an issue there. Not that the fight matters much here, because people think that Kurse wins VIA BFR.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Only portion of the fight he was winning, and Juggernaut was a split second away from death. The only reason why Juggernaut lived was because of the 60 second enchantment, which shouldn't have been an issue there. Not that the fight matters much here, because people think that Kurse wins VIA BFR.
wow... lol, exaggerate much?? seconds away from death?? he couldnt even KO a severely depowered juggernaut let alone kill him in the 60 seconds. ur rediculous.
even if that were the case (which its not), kurse has no way of duplicating thors abilities to negate juggernauts magic.
juggernaut wins via battlefeild removal. he throws kurse into orbit. literally.
Originally posted by KillAll
by writer admission, and by my own followings, that WAS regular juggernaut. 8th day appeared to be normal and the writer stated that he didnt recieve a power up. the only difference between 8th day was juggernauts will to be somewhere.
Writer admission? Where was this? Further ON panel evidence is supreme. Thor refers to juggernaut as being a 100 times more powerful than usual. Juggernaut even admits to something making him more powerful than ever before. To say that there was no difference between 8th day jugs and regular classic juggs is therefore unbelievably FALSE.
like you said, even though they are "durability" related, juggernaut was still making thor fly all over the place when he was making connections. just because he doesnt have the feats doesnt mean they arent there... even when comparing captain britains statements of being hit by both he says juggernaut hits harder.
Actually the only time jugs made thor fly with his blows was when Thor was trying NOT to fight and was simply talking to juggernaut. Hence thor wasnt braced for the attack. Not that that matters anyway. Further i really am dumbfounded by ur statement "just because he doesnt have the feats doesnt mean they arent there"..........Er if he doesnt have the feats it sort of means they arent there. Also using captain britains statements is highly faulty (though id like to actually see these statements). Thor would obviously NOT hit captain britain with his full force and would hold back immensely. The same CANNOT be said of juggernaut.
again, writer admission, 8th day was regular juggernaut. its not like juggernaut doesnt have MORE power than 8th day (trion was his own power) to whip thor or kurse with.
Id like to see this writer admission and further by Juggernauts own admission as well as external observation by thor something was making him more powerful than ever before. Without outside circumstances Juggernaut has NEVER shown to operate at 8th day levels or een close. Trion was also due to outside circumstances and while it may be juggernauts own power that he got from cyttorak which was in use in these instances, without the aid of these other circumstances Juggernaut has NEVER shown to acces these levels of power. To assume he would suddenly do so in this match or in any other forum match is massive reaching and a pretty weak argument
all i was saying is that ON PANEL, PURE LIFTING FEATS, thor actually has lifting feats. he beats them all according to that. which is what you are asking me to do. provide feats to prove juggernaut was stronger than thor. but there are no feats for EITHER of them that prove who is stronger... juggernaut/kurse. its a toss up. you cant tell me to do something but then not do it yourself. you are using abc logic.
Ayaaaa. What? More misrepresentation and strawmanning. Please try reading what i actually wrote. I know that in terms of ON PANEL lifitng feats thor has guys like Mangog and Kurse and Juggernaut beat. I DIDNT ASK YOU TO PROVIDE PURE LIFTING FEATS because i know those ARENT the only feats that determine strength. I asked u to provide any type of strength feat that shows that Juggernaut is stronger than thor let alone Kurse. I have provided reasons and feats for why Kurse is stronger than thor from the numerous times he has trounced thor physically to, thors (and others as well) own admission of how much stronger Kurse is than him. You CANT even prove that juggernaut is stronger than thor since overall strength featwise (not just lifting feat wise ) thor is superior as well as the very crucial fact that in their direct confrontations, regular Juggernaut has not shown to be superior strengthwise. This is not at all the case with Kurse who has been indsiputably confirmed as being multiple times thors strength. I am not asking u to do anything im not doing myself and am NOT using ABC logic. ABC logic refers to trying to use a characters match with another character to judge the result of an entirely different match without considering the numerous variables and context that might have surrounded the initial matchup. i.e Superman beat green lantern, green lantern beat flash and therefore Superman beats flash. This fails because u did not consider how each of the characters unique powersets matchup against one another as well as the battle tactics used in each fight. However what im doing is comparing a characters specific trait (strength). If thor and juggernaut are roughly the same strength (which they are), and Kurse is FAR stronger than thor, then automatically Kurse is far stronger than juggernaut who as stated before is around the same strength as thor.
i THINK juggernaut could do it. thats just my opinion. yours is, he cant. thats it. there also isnt any PROOF of kurse being stronger. which is what you are saying he is. if he is, prove it. even if kurse was stronger (i personally dont believe he is, you obviously do), it is JUST AS LIKELY for juggernaut to pick him up and throw him into orbit (juggernaut has thrown other things into orbit, why not kurse???). i think what stemmed this argument was bfr no?? thats not going to be the case. this fight wont be one that way. and if it is, its 50/50.if it is according to durability then juggernaut edges out kurse. same with stamina or "other abilities" that classic juggernaut possesses.
i just dont see how kurse wins.
This has less to do with "opinions" than on panel fact. There is extremely definitive proof that Kurse is stronger than juggernaut by far. He is multiple times stronger than thor a being who is juggernauts peer strengthwise. Heck, juggernaut actually talked about being "thors equal in strength in Thor 429. Kurse is indisputably far above that strength level. So yes i have proven that Kurse is stronger than juggernaut uve just decided to ignore clear on panel evidence.
Nextly, for juggernaut to pick up Kurse and throw him into orbit hed have to overpower Kurse which WONT be happening because Kurse is far stronger than him. So its not 50/50 at all
Finally its true that the advantage that juggernaut holds over Kurse is durability, but the fact that Kurse is so much stronger than he is(which will enable the BFR) as well as the fact that Kurse's durability is off the scales as well will make that advantage null and void. (it took all the magic within both BRB and thors hammer to KO kurse, juggernaut doesnt have such damage output).
the only thing i see between me and you is interpretation. i see juggernaut readily handing thor his ass in all confontations except for 60 seconds of fighting when juggernaut was depowered. kurse doesnt have that.
you keep saying because kurse beats up thor (like juggernaut does also unless he's depowered) then he's stronger than thor. this is not difinitive proof. you cant use the abc logic to decide who's stronger.
you dont have to over power somebody to throw them. what is to stop juggernaut from picking kurse up (alleviating leverage) and throwing him into space??? bfr is just as likely for juggernaut as kurse. its just a matter of grabing the other, and throwing. you make it sound like its some big tactical puzzle that one has to figure out in order to do its just not that complicated.
Juggernaut also has a personal force field. in order for kurse to even grab him he would have to turn it off. which would also in turn alleviate kurses ability to BFR him.
even if juggernaut is moving forward kurse would have to overcome his enchantment of unstoppability in order to throw him in a direction he's not going.
juggernauts abilities stack up if he were not as strong (you havent proven he's not) that give him some sort of advantage in this fight.
Originally posted by KillAll
wow... lol, exaggerate much?? seconds away from death?? he couldnt even KO a severely depowered juggernaut let alone kill him in the 60 seconds. ur rediculous.even if that were the case (which its not), kurse has no way of duplicating thors abilities to negate juggernauts magic.
juggernaut wins via battlefeild removal. he throws kurse into orbit. literally.
If you read the text in their fight, you'll see that Juggernaut was moments away from being finished. So, you are the ridiculous one, to no one's great surprise.
Juggernaut can't throw Kurse into orbit, Kurse is so much stronger it's not even funny. The only thing Juggernaut has is durability, but even that's up for debate, considering that Thor had to ruin both Mjolnir and Stormbreaker to knock him unconscious.
Originally posted by KillAll
the only thing i see between me and you is interpretation. i see juggernaut readily handing thor his ass in all confontations except for 60 seconds of fighting when juggernaut was depowered. kurse doesnt have that.
*Sigh* Nice job dodging the post were i comprehensively addressed most of the things uve argued. In my kindness ill go over it again.
First of all, the ONLY time that regular juggernaut has actually physically done well against thor was in their first fight and even then he didnt dominate him in the way u r imagining. NOT ONLY that but thor was actually heavily weakened in that fight and he was still able to hold his own relatively well. In the fight were juggernaut fought thor with his full strength but without his absolute invulnerability he got demolished. The only time he has physically overpowered thor legitimately was during the 8th day saga where he was heavily amped.
you keep saying because kurse beats up thor (like juggernaut does also unless he's depowered) then he's stronger than thor. this is not difinitive proof. you cant use the abc logic to decide who's stronger.
This is yet another poor interpretation of my argument and im getting pretty tired of them. To equate Juggernauts fights with thor to Kurses fights with thor is retarded. Regular Juggernaut has never legitimately overpowered a full powered thor. Not only that, but he has actually mentioned how he is thors equal in strength in one of their encounters. On the other hand, thor had to double his strength with his belt of strength to match Kurse and then he STILL couldnt match Kurses strength after beyonder had amped him the second time. So what do we have? We have juggernaut who has never physically overwhelmed a full powered thor and who at best and by his own admission is thors equal in strength and then we have Kurse who completely demolishes thor physically and is confirmed on panel as being FAR FAR stronger than thor.
Its therefore clear that Kurse who is far stronger than thor, juggernauts equal in strength by his own admission, is also far stronger than juggernaut. Ive already explained why this logic is valid and isnt ABC logic though for some reason u chose to ignore it.
you dont have to over power somebody to throw them. what is to stop juggernaut from picking kurse up (alleviating leverage) and throwing him into space??? bfr is just as likely for juggernaut as kurse. its just a matter of grabing the other, and throwing. you make it sound like its some big tactical puzzle that one has to figure out in order to do its just not that complicated.
False. In order for juggernaut to pick up Kurse, he would have to overcome the resistance which Kurse would put up. Juggernaut is not fast enough to pick up and thor Kurse before kurse puts up physical resistance and so this ur idea of him simply picking up and tossing Kurse as if he were some inanimate object is nonsensical. Since Kurse is far stronger than juggernaut, he would easily be able to put up enough resistance to stop juggernaut from lifting and throwing him. When Kurse attempts to do the same thing to juggs, he will easily overcome any resistance that juggernaut can put up thanks to his huge strength advantage and then its bye bye juggs.
Juggernaut also has a personal force field. in order for kurse to even grab him he would have to turn it off. which would also in turn alleviate kurses ability to BFR him.
I have already proven in this thread why the belief that juggernaut cant be touched through his personal FF is entirely false. His forcefield was on throughout his fight with thor in Thor 411-412 and thor was still able to send him flying with a punch as well as push him back with the Godblast. This is not to mention the countless other times that he has been punched/grabbed in his history.
even if juggernaut is moving forward kurse would have to overcome his enchantment of unstoppability in order to throw him in a direction he's not going.
If juggs just keeps moving forward throughout the fight then he will eventually BFR himself which is better for Kurse.lol However when he begins engaging in h2h combat with Kurse is when Kurse will BFR him.
juggernauts abilities stack up if he were not as strong (you havent proven he's not) that give him some sort of advantage in this fight
I have already proven that juggs is nowhere near as strong as Kurse and further almost all juggs abilities will be ineffective against Kurse who is probably to durable for him to actually hurt.
Originally posted by Naija boy
First of all, the ONLY time that regular juggernaut has actually physically done well against thor was in their first fight and even then he didnt dominate him in the way u r imagining. NOT ONLY that but thor was actually heavily weakened in that fight and he was still able to hold his own relatively well.
ok??? thor 1) had help from a bunch of nobodies 2)juggernaut wasnt even intent on fighting thor he just did it cause thor kept getting in his way. hold his own? he got knocked out and juggernaut took everything he had without even slowing down.
Originally posted by Naija boy
In the fight were juggernaut fought thor with his [B]full strength but without his absolute invulnerability he got demolished. The only time he has physically overpowered thor legitimately was during the 8th day saga where he was heavily amped. [/B]
Juggernaut was not amped. he was stating that he needed to be somewhere. he was going to get there. refer to juggernaut trion for an amped juggs. refer to the countless times he has had his power drained and shrank. literally. his size usually changes when he gets powerd up or depowered.
Originally posted by Naija boy
This is yet another poor interpretation of my argument and im getting pretty tired of them.
as am i. but your arguements are simply your opinion.
Originally posted by Naija boy
to equate Juggernauts fights with thor to Kurses fights with thor is retarded. Regular Juggernaut has never legitimately overpowered a full powered thor.
except in every encounter except for the 60 seconds JUGGERNAUT was depowered???
Originally posted by Naija boy
Not only that, but he has actually mentioned how he is thors equal in strength in one of their encounters.
well, he said ATLEAST thors equal. meaning that he was thors equal or (pay close attention) at a higher level.
Originally posted by Naija boy
On the other hand, thor had to double his strength with his belt of strength to match Kurse and then he STILL couldnt match Kurses strength after beyonder had amped him the second time.
what does this have to do with juggernaut?? none of that mumbo jumbo would help thor anymore against juggernaut than it did against kurse. if juggernaut were at full power.
Originally posted by Naija boy
So what do we have?
your opinion. and mine.
Originally posted by Naija boy
We have juggernaut who has never physically overwhelmed a full powered thor
except in every encounter except when JUGGERNAUT was depowered. sure i agree in that case.
Originally posted by Naija boy
and who at best and by his own admission is [B]thors equal in strength [/B]
if you ask me, it means juggernaut was saying at his BARE MINIMUM was thors equal. if you ask me, that means a v8 with no gas is as powerful as a honda lmao.
Originally posted by Naija boy
and then we have Kurse who completely demolishes thor physically and is confirmed on panel as being FAR FAR stronger than thor.
thor and kurses battles prove nothing.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Its therefore clear that Kurse who is far stronger than thor, juggernauts equal in strength by his own admission, is also far stronger than juggernaut. Ive already explained why this logic is valid and isnt ABC logic though for some reason u chose to ignore it.
you havent explained it, and its still invalid. thor can negate juggernauts magics and present a problem to him. kurse cannot.
Originally posted by Naija boy
False. In order for juggernaut to pick up Kurse, he would have to overcome the resistance which Kurse would put up.
kurse in no circumstances could stop the juggernauts forward momentum. at all. he can put up a fight but he cant slow him down.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Juggernaut is not fast enough to pick up and thor Kurse before kurse puts up physical resistance and so this ur idea of him simply picking up and tossing Kurse as if he were some inanimate object is nonsensical.
so to assume that juggernaut is just gonna stand there (not use his strength, or fighting abilities or magics) and let kurse just pick him up is sensical?? no, its "nonsensical" also.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Since Kurse is far stronger than juggernaut,
no, false
Originally posted by Naija boy
he would easily be able to put up enough resistance to stop juggernaut from lifting and throwing him. When Kurse attempts to do the same thing to juggs, he will easily overcome any resistance that juggernaut can put up thanks to his huge strength advantage and then its bye bye juggs.
nah, juggernaut just marchs forward and hits him, kurse cant slow him down and will just have to take the punishment.
Originally posted by Naija boy
I have already proven in this thread why the belief that juggernaut cant be touched through his personal FF is entirely false.
he has used it and its an option, you cant just invalidate it and say it wont be used, cause it IS an option.
Originally posted by Naija boy
His forcefield was on throughout his fight with thor in Thor 411-412 and thor was still able to send him flying with a punch as well as push him back with the Godblast.
he turns it on and off. it was on when he wanted to prove he could not be touched by thors hammer. i personally believe it was not on when the godblast hit him. none of these things kurse can do.
Originally posted by Naija boy
This is not to mention the countless other times that he has been punched/grabbed in his history.
but not when he doesnt want to be.
Originally posted by Naija boy
If juggs just keeps moving forward throughout the fight then he will eventually BFR himself which is better for Kurse.lol However when he begins engaging in h2h combat with Kurse is when Kurse will BFR him.
show me where kurse has battlefeild removed somebody in hand to hand combat. or where juggernaut was battlefeild removed because of his unstoppability. it has always helped him except for WWH. in which case he was almost immediately back. and if you ask me again, juggernaut only got MOMENTARILY BFR because he was distracted and not even paying attention to wwh, and all the while holding him at bay.
Originally posted by Naija boy
I have already proven that juggs is nowhere near as strong as Kurse and further almost all juggs abilities will be ineffective against Kurse who is probably to durable for him to actually hurt.
your proof in actuality is your OPINION. and see, you did it to... "probably". you arent even sure. personally i believe juggernaut capable of damaging kurse.