Originally posted by MERCILOUSHow many claw swipes did it block? One is too many for a medieval style sword forged mostly from crude iron, as refining and blending massive amounts of steel was a bit of a problem until the 1800s. And even steel isn't strong enough to stand up to razor sharp Adamantium.
I wasn't talking about Wear and tear, I think Wolvie broke it later, I seem to recall Conan walking around with a broken sword at Wolvie's doing.
Originally posted by jinzin
i-i don't think conans sword falls into this category...
Is it a Damascus, no. Have even swords of european make been known to bend in excess of 45 degrees upon striking and bend back to true form, yes.
Originally posted by Creshosk
How many claw swipes did it block? One is too many for a medieval style sword forged mostly from crude iron, as refining and blending massive amounts of steel was a bit of a problem until the 1800s. And even steel isn't strong enough to stand up to razor sharp Adamantium.
But this wasn't European make, It's Hyborean, A society which at least in part thought that metal (if not magic) was the ultimate weapon and had tons of highly devoted craftsmen.
Originally posted by MERCILOUSHyperborea, is set in Europe and North Africa . . .You still face technilogical difficulties if you don't use magic in a setting that is supposed to be the middle ages. Now high quality steel was being produced in southern India by what Europeans would later call the crucible technique. It was by the 9th century, smiths in the Abbasid caliphate had developed techniques for forging Damascus steel, but the secret of forging this kind of steel was lost, even in the Middle East, by around 1600, and only recently have metallurgists found methods for reproducing its properties.
But this wasn't European make, It's Hyborean, A society which at least in part thought that metal (if not magic) was the ultimate weapon and had tons of highly devoted craftsmen.
But as I said before and let me add the problem was not producing it in the first place, it was mass producing it.
But this is all moot because as I said Steel isn't strong enough to stand up to razor sharp adamanmtium.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Hyperborea, is set in Europe and North Africa . . .You still face technilogical difficulties if you don't use magic in a setting that is supposed to be the middle ages. Now high quality steel was being produced in southern India by what Europeans would later call the crucible technique. It was by the 9th century, smiths in the Abbasid caliphate had developed techniques for forging Damascus steel, but the secret of forging this kind of steel was lost, even in the Middle East, by around 1600, and only recently have metallurgists found methods for reproducing its properties.But as I said before and let me add the problem was not producing it in the first place, it was mass producing it.
But this is all moot because as I said Steel isn't strong enough to stand up to razor sharp adamanmtium.
Sure it's set in Europe and Africa during the time those two continents hadn't seperated. As for mass production, Conan usually caries a blade of higher quality than those which are mass produced. And I don't see why high quality steel couldn't stand up to adamantium if it's going to absorb the shock.
Originally posted by MERCILOUS
Sure it's set in Europe and Africa during the time those two continents hadn't seperated. As for mass production, Conan usually caries a blade of higher quality than those which are mass produced. And I don't see why high quality steel couldn't stand up to adamantium if it's going to absorb the shock.
Wow. . this is odd. . .really odd. . .
I've been running calculations since you asked this and I keep coming up with the same results. . .
I'm going to have to take some time to interprete the data though. . it's . . disturbing to say the least. . .
Originally posted by MERCILOUSWell, I'm was trying to cfind the best way to answer. . So I thought that I could compare Spiderman's webbing to steel to show that he can cut through something that holds massive amounts of weight.
Please do share.
You know, it's flexable and strong. .
But when I compared the numbers for the highest grade steel I could find to the number we were presented with for the webbing, I discovered that steel that holds 9 tons is actually MORE than Spiderman's given webbing . . .
These old handbooks are becoming less and less credible. . . You know wthe ones that even states that wolverine can be killed throguh blood loss or loss of vital organs. They seem to depower EVERYBODY. . .
I mean obviously real world physics are in no way shape or form useable in comic books since Cyclops, would need enormous neck muscles to withstand the kickback on his head every time he used his power. due to newton's third law.
Winged superheroes, such as Hawkman, would need ridiculously large chest muscles to get themselves off the ground.
And then there is the Flash . . .
But still. . . the handbook's number for Spiderman's webbing is significantly less than that of high grade steel, which some power houses can plow through like wet tissue paper, regardless of feasability to their stength.
I mean a tensile strngth of 9 tons per square centimeter for high grade steel is more than Spidermans 120 pounds per square milimeter. . . or 6 tons. . . about 3 tons less than steel.
Meaning anyone who can break metal should be able to rip Spiderman's webbing apart with ease. . .
Originally posted by Creshosk
Well, I'm was trying to cfind the best way to answer. . So I thought that I could compare Spiderman's webbing to steel to show that he can cut through something that holds massive amounts of weight.You know, it's flexable and strong. .
But when I compared the numbers for the highest grade steel I could find to the number we were presented with for the webbing, I discovered that steel that holds 9 tons is actually MORE than Spiderman's given webbing . . .
These old handbooks are becoming less and less credible. . . You know wthe ones that even states that wolverine can be killed throguh blood loss or loss of vital organs. They seem to depower EVERYBODY. . .
I mean obviously real world physics are in no way shape or form useable in comic books since Cyclops, would need enormous neck muscles to withstand the kickback on his head every time he used his power. due to newton's third law.
Winged superheroes, such as Hawkman, would need ridiculously large chest muscles to get themselves off the ground.
And then there is the Flash . . .
But still. . . the handbook's number for Spiderman's webbing is significantly less than that of high grade steel, which some power houses can plow through like wet tissue paper, regardless of feasability to their stength.
I mean a tensile strngth of 9 tons per square centimeter for high grade steel is more than Spidermans 120 pounds per square milimeter. . . or 6 tons. . . about 3 tons less than steel.
Meaning anyone who can break metal should be able to rip Spiderman's webbing apart with ease. . .
Damn fine research Creshok.
Originally posted by MERCILOUSSo we know that the people at Marvel aren't all that great with physics in the first place. . .
Damn fine research Creshok.
And of course if they attempt to discredit this. . they'll of course be shutting down the "stats" argument permenantly. . .
How can we use stats if we don't know what we can trust?
Doc Ock's speed, Spiderman's web strength, Wolverine's healing abilities . . . We have nothing useable. . . especially when all have been contradicted.
Originally posted by Creshosk
So we know that the people at Marvel aren't all that great with physics in the first place. . .And of course if they attempt to discredit this. . they'll of course be shutting down the "stats" argument permenantly. . .
How can we use stats if we don't know what we can trust?
Doc Ock's speed, Spiderman's web strength, Wolverine's healing abilities . . . We have nothing useable. . . especially when all have been contradicted.
Well all we have is what characters can and have done.
Originally posted by MERCILOUS
Well all we have is what characters can and have done.
This also sheds serious doubt onto all other points as well. . .
Who IS faster? And how much? We can't apply anthing from the real world? How can we with so much conflicting data?
Is spiderman faster than wolverine? I don't know anymore. . . 800 pounds? 15 tons? We can't use these numbers. . they were calculated by the people that brought you Doc Ock's speed and spiderman's web strength. . .
Spiderman's enhanced speed may or may not be superhuman anymore. . . the only thing that was telling us this was the stats. . . Speed, strength . . .
I'm so confused. . .
Originally posted by Creshosk
This also sheds serious doubt onto all other points as well. . .Who IS faster? And how much? We can't apply anthing from the real world? How can we with so much conflicting data?
Is spiderman faster than wolverine? I don't know anymore. . . 800 pounds? 15 tons? We can't use these numbers. . they were calculated by the people that brought you Doc Ock's speed and spiderman's web strength. . .
Spiderman's enhanced speed may or may not be superhuman anymore. . . the only thing that was telling us this was the stats. . . Speed, strength . . .
I'm so confused. . .
Well you wouldn't have been if you had never bothered to read a bunch of stats written by like two guys forced to do the project as opposed to there respective writers or creators.
Originally posted by MERCILOUSThat's true. . but I did read them, and I memorized them . . . and used them. . . and now I feel like I've beenm decieved. . . and I feel bad about being misleading by repeating back the false information I never bothered to verify for myself. . . So I have myself to blame as well. . . for just accepting it as is. . .
Well you wouldn't have been if you had never bothered to read a bunch of stats written by like two guys forced to do the project as opposed to there respective writers or creators.
jinzin sayeth:
<<this is ridciculous.....CONAN WILL NOT DISLOCATE OR BREAK ANYTHING....I haven't read the issue myself...mercilous seems to think that conan simply cut everything in the back of the neck and there was no displacement of bones.....you conan supporters think that conan did indeed break his neck...does anyone have pics? or proof? (i'm genuinely curious.....).... >>
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now what exactly happened to wolvie's neck when the indestructible blade hit it is a bit puzzling. somehow his neck was injured to the extent that oxygen did not reach logan's brain for a long time and so when he awoke he was an 'animal'. the blow severed his jugular somehow, so i suppose that's why he didn't get o2 to his brain. after a long while (looks like at least several hours in the book) his jugular heals but his brain damage does not. does that mean he can't heal brain damage? don't know, but he remains an animal throughout the whole issue. while in berserker he severs conan's hand and would likely have been able to finish him off had the battle continued.
for what it's worth, there's the pics. make inferences at will.
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