]Nate Grey VS Phoenix[

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
The guy who created the Universe if other people choose to ruin it thats sad.

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
He and Kirby created it therefore as the true Gods I would listen to them🙂 Not a corporate "Grey Suit"🙂

I don't think for example that Stan Lee or Steve Ditko envisioned Spiderman being able to communicate with insects.

So you don't want to listen to the ones who do hold the control?

The way things were is not the way things are now.

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
I want to see how it makes Phoenix "the mind of TOAA" 🙂

Phoenix of the White Crown, the Crown chakra, as an aspect of god she might as well be but don't think I'm overestimating, remember in Here Comes Tomorrow, the voice in the White Hot Room might be the voice of god, I'm justing coming to that conclusion since it's the Phoenix of the Crown

Originally posted by Creshosk
And unavoidable. Since he doesn't control it anymore he doesn't count for much in this discussion I'm affraid.

Even though Stan lee doesn't fully control it, and therefore its subject to being changed to something different?

I don't think for example that Stan Lee or Steve Ditko envisioned Spiderman being able to communicate with insects.

So you don't want to listen to the ones who do hold the control?

The way things were is not the way things are now.

Exactly. Well done Cresh.

Whirly you're not being objective on the subject. Youre letting personal views and feelings get in the way. Youre better than that.

At the end of the day theres no denying the connection between the avatars and the supreme being of Marvel.

LT and the white crown phoenix appear to be peers and they both work for a higher being.

Originally posted by Phoenix_Avatar9
Phoenix of the White Crown, the Crown chakra, as an aspect of god she might as well be but don't think I'm overestimating, remember in Here Comes Tomorrow, the voice in the White Hot Room might be the voice of god, I'm justing coming to that conclusion since it's the Phoenix of the Crown

Dont worry P9 its an easy conclusion to come to and the connection is quite evident. Some people just for the sake of winning an argument and because of a dislike for the phoenix concept will go out of their way to paint us out as fanboys because we're pushing the concept to prominence, explaining whats shown in the comics. You people know who you are. 😛

At the end of the day theres no denying the connection between the avatars and the supreme being of Marvel.

LT and the white crown phoenix appear to be peers and they both work for a higher being.

oh dear how conviniently you weaseled your way out of answering the previously asked questions galactic storm, but then again, thats how uve always been,{no denying?!?!?!?!!?!} lol, your not very convincing are you? but ofcourse as we all know, ull never produce those scans, so i rest my case.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Dont worry P9 its an easy conclusion to come to and the connection is quite evident. Some people just for the sake of winning an argument and because of a dislike for the phoenix concept will go out of their way to paint us out as fanboys because we're pushing the concept to prominence, explaining whats shown in the comics. You people know who you are. 😛

im letting you brag on out of sheer curiosity as to how stupid and HILARIOUS mankind can get if given the right motivation{yours being the sultry COMIC BOOK CHARACTER jean grey. lol}

Originally posted by leonheartmm
1)Franklin created a POCKED UNIVERSE within the universe he himself existed(admittedly amazing feat) that Dr.Strange held in his hands, to then hand it over to Eternity...a being representing ONE REAL UNIVERSE.

wannabe, that was only in the onslaught saga, it was then AND ONLY THEN that he created A POCKET UNIVERSE, that was a long time ago, after that franklin went on a multiversal journey with howard the duck and some others through many FULL sized universes, {franklin with his powers would have known if it wasnt a full sized universe } along with his cosmis friends, well later on it turned out that all those FULL SIZED PERMANENT universes that those guys were travellin through were nuthing more than subconcious creations from franklin's mind!!!!!!!!!!! franklin created those complete universes without even knowing it, {can you see that ive used no sneeky ; language or anythin else, this is the plain truth} thas just how vast his powers are, franklin also RESURRECTED galactus with his sistor valaria and ended the MULTIVERSAL threat of ABRAXAS by bringing balance to eternity after galactus was killed by the galactic alliance{again, plain truth} and even thought it seemed that he had lost his power, it turns out later out that he actually hadnt burnt his powers out at all and had all of them in him{now you can see why saying that hes just celestial level is plain stupid} these are just some of the feats among an ever growing number of a kid who has hardly reached anything close to his true potential, now you tell me, has anything the pheonix done factually come close?

2)Good point of yours...using the facts you know...not speculating...i like that!

3)So we have a kid, subconsciously creating REAL UNIVERSES(i have to take your word for that) and empowering cosmic abstracts on one side and the ultimate force of creation for the omniverse with one of it's avatars, being at least able to save the omniverse and recreate a real universe without any efford, on the other side!

Since we never saw those two really going all out, it would be pure SPECULATION now to say a Phoenixavatar or Franklin is more powerful.

Since Franklin was able to CREATE those mentioned universes and is part of a universe created through the Phoenixforce, it would be logical to assume he can tap into the force himself...just like Jean.(no need to show the bird...it's just HER interpretation of her link to that SHAPELESS force)
But thats pretty close to speculation i admit.

4)Is Nate able to do the same like Franklin?...cause this is a thread NATE v. Phoenix!

Originally posted by leonheartmm
im letting you brag on out of sheer curiosity as to how stupid and HILARIOUS mankind can get if given the right motivation{yours being the sultry COMIC BOOK CHARACTER jean grey. lol}

What's your motivation?

Originally posted by leonheartmm
At the end of the day theres no denying the connection between the avatars and the supreme being of Marvel.

LT and the white crown phoenix appear to be peers and they both work for a higher being.

oh dear how conviniently you weaseled your way out of answering the previously asked questions galactic storm, but then again, thats how uve always been,{no denying?!?!?!?!!?!} lol, your not very convincing are you? but ofcourse as we all know, ull never produce those scans, so i rest my case.

I havent weaseled my way out of anything. Youre just not following the chain of thought of my post. Read again and make the connection up in your head.

Jean works for the Crown. The Crown is where Gods consciousness resides. In the crown the phoenixes are directed by a computer like voice. (Read up on the omega point theory Leon to see where that comes again)

You've really got no ground to stand on im afraid.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Ironic don't you think? Insulting a person on the internet, over comic books in a comic book forum.

What's your motivation?

its funy you should ask,
well lets just say that humans are some of the more.......INTERESTING creatures i like to study, their incredible stupidity, seeming strength, and existential adaptability is a lot more fun to study than some of the other interests i had previously.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
its funy you should ask,
well lets just say that humans are some of the more.......INTERESTING creatures i like to study, their incredible stupidity, seeming strength, and existential adaptability is a lot more fun to study than some of the other interests i had previously.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
1)Franklin created a POCKED UNIVERSE within the universe he himself existed(admittedly amazing feat) that Dr.Strange held in his hands, to then hand it over to Eternity...a being representing ONE REAL UNIVERSE.

wannabe, that was only in the onslaught saga, it was then AND ONLY THEN that he created A POCKET UNIVERSE, that was a long time ago, after that franklin went on a multiversal journey with howard the duck and some others through many FULL sized universes, {franklin with his powers would have known if it wasnt a full sized universe } along with his cosmis friends, well later on it turned out that all those FULL SIZED PERMANENT universes that those guys were travellin through were nuthing more than subconcious creations from franklin's mind!!!!!!!!!!! franklin created those complete universes without even knowing it, {can you see that ive used no sneeky ; language or anythin else, this is the plain truth} thas just how vast his powers are, franklin also RESURRECTED galactus with his sistor valaria and ended the MULTIVERSAL threat of ABRAXAS by bringing balance to eternity after galactus was killed by the galactic alliance{again, plain truth} and even thought it seemed that he had lost his power, it turns out later out that he actually hadnt burnt his powers out at all and had all of them in him{now you can see why saying that hes just celestial level is plain stupid} these are just some of the feats among an ever growing number of a kid who has hardly reached anything close to his true potential, now you tell me, has anything the pheonix done factually come close?

2)Good point of yours...using the facts you know...not speculating...i like that!

3)So we have a kid, subconsciously creating REAL UNIVERSES(i have to take your word for that) and empowering cosmic abstracts on one side and the ultimate force of creation for the omniverse with one of it's avatars, being at least able to save the omniverse and recreate a real universe without any efford, on the other side!

Since we never saw those two really going all out, it would be pure SPECULATION now to say a Phoenixavatar or Franklin is more powerful.

Since Franklin was able to CREATE those mentioned universes and is part of a universe created through the Phoenixforce, it would be logical to assume he can tap into the force himself...just like Jean.(no need to show the bird...it's just HER interpretation of her link to that SHAPELESS force)
But thats pretty close to speculation i admit.

4)Is Nate able to do the same like Franklin?...cause this is a thread NATE v. Phoenix!

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I havent weaseled my way out of anything. Youre just not following the chain of thought of my post. Read again and make the connection up in your head.

Jean works for the Crown. The Crown is where Gods consciousness resides. In the crown the phoenixes are directed by a computer like voice. (Read up on the omega point theory Leon to see where that comes again)

You've really got no ground to stand on im afraid.

oh my, you seem concerned, unfortunately for you i went past the point where i cared, so brag on at whatever rate u wish.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
oh my, you seem concerned, unfortunately for you i went past the point where i cared, so brag on at whatever rate u wish.

Basically you cant be bothered to check out my proof cos you think i might be right? 😉

I dont need to brag. Watching you squirm your way out of a debate is gratifying enough. Later Leon. 🙂

tryin to make someone angry is pathetic way to get em back, ofcourse your all talk, you have no proof as the scans i asked for havnet yet been posted, so kep your revolting mouth shut until you get them, and i say this out of concern for the mental well being of the people on this forum.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
tryin to make someone angry is pathetic way to get em back,

Originally posted by leonheartmm
tryin to make someone angry is pathetic way to get em back, ofcourse your all talk, you have no proof as the scans i asked for havnet yet been posted, so kep your revolting mouth shut until you get them, and i say this out of concern for the mental well being of the people on this forum.

I can show you pics of the computer voice talking to Jean in the crown with the other phoenixes. Thats something i do have. Not everyones privy to a scanner Leon. I have however referred you to the appropriate issues. All of which are easily downloaded these days. So that is more than good enough. Use WinMx. Ive helped both Long Pig and Blair Wind with doing so. Theres no reason why you cant.

Stop trying to put all of the responsibility on me.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Irony again.

well you see, unlike my opponent{if he deserves to be called anything as respectful as that} i do posess SOME of the natural literary skills that most humans are born with.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
well you see, unlike my opponent{if he deserves to be called anything as respectful as that} i do posess SOME of the natural literary skills that most humans are born with.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I can show you pics of the computer voice talking to Jean in the crown with the other phoenixes. Thats something i do have. Not everyones privy to a scanner Leon. I have however referred you to the appropriate issues. All of which are easily downloaded these days. So that is more than good enough. Use WinMx. Ive helped both Long Pig and Blair Wind with doing so. Theres no reason why you cant.

Stop trying to put all of the responsibility on me.

hmmm, my bad, but did it ever occur to u that i wouldnt shoot my mouth off and say that there was no mention of toaa or pheonix positively being the creater of the multiverse and having the power of TOAA,, WITHOUT READING THE DAMN COMICS?! lol, im not that stupid, it is precisely because i have read the comics that im saying that all your doing is making ridiculous interpretations of a few sentences while avoiding all the proof to the contrary, there was no mention of toaa, or the multiverse, only of CREATION,which has been repeated many times from the simplest of abstracts to the living tribunal to the infinite being and the beyonders, onto the heart of the universe AND finally to TOAA who incidently hasnt EVER ben mentioned directly by name in the marvel universe, so then tell me, how likely is it that the pheonix got the powers of creation nearly EQUAL to TOAA and not equal to eternity? or perhaps even the tribunal?