Why does God test us?

Originally posted by inimalist
but how is it benevolent to deny mercy to someone based on their beliefs?

The light of His benevolence shines down when the proper requirements are met. Meet those requirements and all the benevolence in the universe is yours.

Originally posted by inimalist
as humans we see this as benevolent

I'm human. You meant to say, "As disbelievers?"

Originally posted by inimalist
...and if God is supposed to be the most benevolent of all, how could he behave differently?

Because how you see it is 100% irrelevant. Who cares how you see it? Do you make the rules? Are you the Judge? Do you dispense rewards/punishments to those who earned them? Then what value do your complaints possibly possess?

Originally posted by Robtard
Cherry-picking.

Originally posted by MRasheed
[b]The Holy Qur'an 4:79
(8) Whatever good, (O man!) happens to thee, is from Allah, but whatever evil happens to thee, is from thy (own) soul. and We have sent thee as an apostle to (instruct) mankind. And enough is Allah for a witness. [/B]

I've known devout Christians that ended up with crippling dementia from Alzheimer's that caused them to try to drive away their loved ones in the months up until their body finally started deteriorating faster than their mind.

There is evil in the world that has nothing to do with free will.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Only an infinitely terrible crime could ever entail and infinitely terrible punishment. And if, for some reason, God believe that disagreeing with him is infinitely terrible then he's unjust from a different direction.

Worshipping anything other than the God who made you or otherwise engaging in disbelief is that very infinitely terrible crime.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I've known devout Christians that ended up with crippling dementia from Alzheimer's that caused them to try to drive away their loved ones in the months up until their body finally started deteriorating faster than their mind.

There is evil in the world that has nothing to do with free will.

That's not evil. That's the exact equivelant of getting slapped in the eye by a baby; they are not responsible for their actions.

Originally posted by MRasheed
Worshipping anything other than the God who made you or otherwise engaging in disbelief is that very infinitely terrible crime.

So then it would be morally imperative for you to kill anyone you can't convert, as doing so would leave infinite evil in the world. That's a scary religion and a horrible God.

Originally posted by Deja~vu
So, basically you are quoting the Qur'an and putting Jesus as the Lord and Savior?

I don't believe that the Qur'an believes that Jesus is the Savior, so why quote that book?

I am Muslim, Deja~vu. I reject the divine sonship of Jesus doctrine. The Qur'an is the last revelation of God and closes the canon of Sacred Scripture.

Originally posted by MRasheed
That's not evil. That's the exact equivelant of getting slapped in the eye by a baby; they are not responsible for their actions.

So God's excuse for giving people unimaginably horrible suffering is that he is too stupid and immature to know what he's doing? Seems more like worshiping Azathoth than anything else.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
So then it would be morally imperative for you to kill anyone you can't convert, as doing so would leave infinite evil in the world.

lol

No, as long as you have breath you have the option of beliving and receiving your reward from the Lord.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
That's a scary religion and a horrible God.

lol You are confused.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
So God's excuse for giving people unimaginably horrible suffering is that he is too stupid and immature to know what he's doing? Seems more like worshiping Azathoth than anything else.

What in the world are you talking about?

Originally posted by MRasheed
I'm human. You meant to say, "As disbelievers?"

lol, are you implying I'm not human

Originally posted by MRasheed
What in the world are you talking about?

Now where in those books does it talk about blasphemers and where do those people end up?? 🙄

Originally posted by MRasheed
lol

No, as long as you have breath you have the option of beliving and receiving your reward from the Lord.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, then what was all that talk about "good deeds need to outweigh the bad" shtick, when I was arguing the same exact thing concerning belief being the ultimate redemption in the eyes of God?

Originally posted by Deja~vu
We're actually wondering what you're talking about. You quote the Quran and speak Jesus as Savior.

Now where in those books does it talk about blasphemers and where do those people end up?? 🙄

Where are you going with this? Last I checked, Islam favor Jesus.

So...where's JIA been?

Originally posted by Super Marie 64
[b]Where are you going with this? Last I checked, Islam favor Jesus. [/B]

In Islam, Jesus is Masih, which is Arabic for Messiah.

Did he die for your sins? Does Islam teach that?

The sins I do weren't invented back then, so no.

How is that relevant anyway? Messiah means "Savior" more or less, and that's what they call him.

Originally posted by Deja~vu
Did he die for your sins? Does Islam teach that?

jesus is a significant prophet in islam, but not divine

any death for your sin would be metaphorical in islamic teaching. his words carried some truth preparing the world for the final revelation from mohammed, who is also not seen as being personally divine, but just a prophet (if the chosen final prophet)