Malak vs The Exile

Fine, if Canderous did nothing, then that just adds to the Exile's power.

And, you can't completly drop the Exile because there isn't a lot of canon stuff on him. We do know that even if it didn't happen canonly that he is capable of defeating Vrook, Kavar, and Ezki-Vos(Whatever that guy us called). We know that he is capable of defeating Sion. That he is capable of defeating the Trayus Academy. That he can defeat the Mandalorian Champion of the Duel Circle without the force. That he was a general in Revan's army.

The Exile is freakin good.

I agree with Glentrac, the Exile was really good but that was much because of his stolen power from the people he killed. But in that battle circle without the force he showed that he could survive and battle better than any of the surviving Mandalorians in combat.

So? A Mandelorian could never defeat Malak.

I don't think thats true. The Mandalore that Ulic fought gave him a hard time and Ulic is better than Malak. Mandalore could probably kill Malak. If Malak wasn't using the force, he would really be screwed against Mandalore.

Malak would use the force... And Ulic is better then Malak, well that can be debated..

Anyways to go back on subject the Mandelorians the Exile faced were nothing near that Mandalore anyways... And every good force user especially one thats using the Dark Side should be able to kill Mandalore.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Fine, if Canderous did nothing, then that just adds to the Exile's power.

And, you can't completly drop the Exile because there isn't a lot of canon stuff on him. We do know that even if it didn't happen canonly that he is capable of defeating Vrook, Kavar, and Ezki-Vos(Whatever that guy us called). We know that he is capable of defeating Sion. That he is capable of defeating the Trayus Academy. That he can defeat the Mandalorian Champion of the Duel Circle without the force. That he was a general in Revan's army.

The Exile is freakin good.

First point, you cannot know at this point whether or not the Exile even did anything worthwhile in the battle.

Second point, canonically, Yoda was able to defeat Sidious. It did not happen. That's speculation, and a shaky one at best. Actually, those aren't even good parallels because a dark side Exile would be stronger and more aggressive, able to defeat jedi masters. But since we don't know if that happened, and how it happened, we can only assume that the Exile may or may not have been able to defeat those jedi masters in straight combat, not we know it is canonically possible.

Third point, we know the Exile can defeat Sion's will. We don't know how his skill matches up to Sion's.

Fourth point, canonically speaking, there could have been five Sith in the academy who opposed him. He could have snuck past everyone. The only FMV featuring Trayus academy Sith shows them bowing in line nad letting him pass... The experience inside is predominately for gameplay's sake... Otherwise, we could just say that the Exile killed a hundred or so dark jedi and thus he must be better than those who did not. Non Sequitor.

Fifth point, not canon. Again, it falls on canonical speculation and itsn't verified. For all we know, the Exile was a weak Consular whose expertise was Force powers, not combat. Thus, he could never beat Bralor.

Sixth point, a general is noted for leading ability, not fighting ability.

You can't prove that he didn't do those things. It does show that the Exile is capable of doing that. Weather or not he actually did that is different. It doesn;t matter what class. I have beaten the entire game with all sidequest with every class.

The only thing that really matters now is this Dark or Light Side Exile, and no matter which one it is, Malak will defeat him.

Again, YOUR GAMEPLAY EXPERIENCE AND ITS POSSIBILITIES ARE NOT CANON!

If that were the case, Luke in ROTJ the game could have killed an infinite number of stormtroopers! Jaden would have had the "capability" to slaughter hundreds of dark jedi and stormtroopers.

Correct, ONLY FMVs and universal facts (i.e. results) actually count for canon as far as a game goes. Everything else is not confirmed.

And Jaden DID slaughter hundreds of Dark Jedi, each Dark Jedi prevented access to the next room until he was dead 😉. So canonically, you could not advance unless he was dead. Not to mention the cutscenes where there were bodies strewn.

IMO, the Exile. He beat Traya, nuf said.

He beat Traya... But did Traya really try and kill him? If she could off Sith assassins, jedi masters, and dominate Sion like it was nothing, why would she lose to the Exile? Maybe... because she wanted to?

Or mabey because she used that draning power on them but was unable to kill the Exile with it. We don't know how she killed those sith assassins and we don't know if her power woud work on people more powerful than those jedi masters. I agree that he beated Traya is no reason that he can beat Malak but I doubt that Kreia wanted to loose. When you defeated her in fair combat she said, now kill me. When I played on my dark side character I said "I will" but then she resisted and started fighting with 3 lightsabers. She could be wanting to test the Exiles abilities but I doubt that she wanted to loose but that's just me.

My point is Kreia trained the Exile. She loved him even. Why would she try her damndest to kill him in that final battle?

Originally posted by Darth_Janus
My point is Kreia trained the Exile. She loved him even. Why would she try her damndest to kill him in that final battle?

Oh I agree that she might not have been trying. However, nothing in the game really says she wasn't trying, so as of now, the Exile defeated Traya completely fairly.

Originally posted by Emperor Revan
Oh I agree that she might not have been trying. However, nothing in the game really says she wasn't trying, so as of now, the Exile defeated Traya completely fairly.

Are you so sure about that?

Kreia easily took him down just a day or so earlier, she also easily destroyed three Jedi Masters before that, you would think she'd be able to knock somebody like him out again or at least hurt him really badly with just one attack, yet she didn't. Her true power lies in the force and for some reason she still fights with a lightsaber, then once you defeat her she talks to you. And suddenly she continues fighting this time she does use the force. She didn't do that before, why wouldn't she use her most powerful ally at the beginning of the fight if she wanted to win?

Throughout the entire game she talks about how you (the Exile) needs to come full circile, how you need to confront your history and your future she is a big part of it at that time, she does not want you to have any ties when you go to confront or help Revan. She is definitly something that stands in the way.

She also wanted the force destroyed, but you failed in that, or Nihilus whomever it is the force was still in one piece after Nihilus died, she was probably really dissapointed and without a possibility of destroying the force she would have had no reason to live. Why not sacrifise herself to help somebody she loves, as her last act she did something for somebody else. I think there is plenty of evidence around except for anybody actually saying it.

I agree.

Am I the only one who finds it convenient that the Exile never brings up Kreia to the jedi masters by name?

No you're not, I think it was supposed to be that way. The masters would have recognized her, and I'm sure they would have known she went to the dark side earlier in her life. And in the cut scene after you leave the jeedai academy on Telos, one of the handmaidens informs Atris of "an old woman", whom she knew nothing about earlier. No I think it was done on purpose so you wouldn't find out the true identity of Kreia until later.

As for Malak vs the Exile, It is a very tough battle, but I think Malak takes it. As said before, the Exile only defeated Nihilus because his eating powers didn't work on the Exile. He defeated Sion's will, and there's a very good argument that Kreia let the Exile kill her. I mean let's face it, Kreia knew of the True Sith, knew they were much more powerful than she or any other Force User in the galaxy at the time. She also knew that the Exile was one of the only people who could help Revan. I think, not only was her defeat from him, but actually her actions through out the whole game, were just a huge test to ready the Exile for combat against the True Sith. In fact looking back on it now, I'd say that's quite obvious. So in a straight up battle, we have no idea how the Exile would fare against Kreia. And until we know what the canon ending for KOTOR II is, we won't know if the Exile was dark or light, and we won't know if he defeated the jeedai masters or not. No I'd say Malak takes it.

Much agreed on that one.