Malak vs The Exile

Originally posted by Darth_Janus
Well, we don't know how Revan recovered his memories. I'm thinking it was willpower and possibly a botched job by the council coupled with his bond and love for Bastila.

The council didn't fail in its effort to destroy Revan his mind, we can know that for sure. They would never fail with Revan his mind, its far to dangerous. I mean they knew damn well that he was brilliant and powerful, if he recovered his memories it would be a great danger. So there is just no way the council didn't do everything they could to destroy it.

His love for Bastila might give him some extra power but it would not make him recover his memory, Bastila doesn't have the power. Besides Bastila doesn't know his past or at least nothing really specific so she couldn't make him recover it all, let alone stand the darker things.

And his willpower would make him learn faster, not give him back something that was as good as destroyed.

So Revan did learn a technique that would require an extreme load of power in a very short time. I mean we know that it would probably take a bunch of people to destroy people's mind. To recreate something that is already destroyed is harder, and Revan did it. Alone, if he didn't do it alone then he would have had Bastila to help him.

Imagine the power it would take if he was Light side, then he couldn't even have used the Star Forge to help him.

Originally posted by Fishy
The council didn't fail in its effort to destroy Revan his mind, we can know that for sure. They would never fail with Revan his mind, its far to dangerous. I mean they knew damn well that he was brilliant and powerful, if he recovered his memories it would be a great danger. So there is just no way the council didn't do everything they could to destroy it.

His love for Bastila might give him some extra power but it would not make him recover his memory, Bastila doesn't have the power. Besides Bastila doesn't know his past or at least nothing really specific so she couldn't make him recover it all, let alone stand the darker things.

And his willpower would make him learn faster, not give him back something that was as good as destroyed.

So Revan did learn a technique that would require an extreme load of power in a very short time. I mean we know that it would probably take a bunch of people to destroy people's mind. To recreate something that is already destroyed is harder, and Revan did it. Alone, if he didn't do it alone then he would have had Bastila to help him.

Imagine the power it would take if he was Light side, then he couldn't even have used the Star Forge to help him.

You're being a bit presumptuous here...

First off, the council had ot be selective in what they elminated from his memories, since they still needed his memories to find the Star Forge. Seeing as we haven't seen nor heard of a body of Jedi doing such an act before or since, we don't know how well they can do it. Perhaps this was their first attempt and they botched. Certainly, Revan recovered his memories after encountering Malak and being told who he was, but if that's all it took obviously the council didn't do a good enough job. Revan is strong, yes, but if a whole body of force users can't wipe his brain than obviously they can't do it permanently to anyone.

As for his love and bond with Bastila not helping... how can that be? It was through Bastila that Revan was reliving memories of the Star Forge map locations!

And lastly, I don't think the council can destroy anything... just supress it with a false identity.

Vrook really pissed me off when I found him on Danntooine. I rescue the dude and all he does is act like an ass and rant about me falling to the darkside during the wars. I was tempted to kill him but since I am doing LS first I restrained myself.

Originally posted by Darth_Janus
You're being a bit presumptuous here...

First off, the council had ot be selective in what they elminated from his memories, since they still needed his memories to find the Star Forge. Seeing as we haven't seen nor heard of a body of Jedi doing such an act before or since, we don't know how well they can do it. Perhaps this was their first attempt and they botched. Certainly, Revan recovered his memories after encountering Malak and being told who he was, but if that's all it took obviously the council didn't do a good enough job. Revan is strong, yes, but if a whole body of force users can't wipe his brain than obviously they can't do it permanently to anyone.

As for his love and bond with Bastila not helping... how can that be? It was through Bastila that Revan was reliving memories of the Star Forge map locations!

And lastly, I don't think the council can destroy anything... just supress it with a false identity.

Yeah they couldn't have destroyed everything but they did a damn good job in destroying what they wanted, i'm pretty sure they were really careful. Even if it was the first time they made sure to destroy pretty much whatever they could.

Revan did not regain his memory through Bastila, thats just what he was told that they shared it. But how could Bastila have known, maybe she managed to push him. But it was more of Revan that controlled Bastila then Bastila controlling Revan.

And yeah his mind was destroyed, Bastila says so, okay she could be lying but I do not see why, especially not when she is Dark Side. She would have no reason to lie.

Revan regained a few vague memory's when Malak told him who he was, but nothing specific nothing special. He wouldn't have remembered the details.

Besides moments of shock can give people back some parts of their memory but they would need a lot more to regain all, Revan already saw the Star Forge and Korriban so that couldn't have done it either, he managed to find a technique and he turned it all around. Thats the only logical conclusion I can draw from it all.

Yeah, but a few things:

- Bastila and Revan share his memories. They were connected when she healed him. While Revan's mind was supposively "destroyed" in the attack, he regained his full memories, which means that either a) his mind was never destroyed in the attack or the mind wipe or b) Bastila somehow helped him regain his memories.

Originally posted by Darth_Janus
Yeah, but a few things:

- Bastila and Revan share his memories. They were connected when she healed him. While Revan's mind was supposively "destroyed" in the attack, he regained his full memories, which means that either a) his mind was never destroyed in the attack or the mind wipe or b) Bastila somehow helped him regain his memories.

How come Bastila did it? She kept him alive using the force it created a bond but she did not get his memories if she did then Revan would have been killed and she would already have found the Star Forge.

Now yeah it could have helped him, but I don't see how Bastila could have made Revan regain his memory's. He did it on his own, and they could have very well been destroyed, but the force can do a lot even repair minds, and with somebody like Revan I would not be surprised if it did.

Fishy whats up?

Originally posted by Fishy
How come Bastila did it? She kept him alive using the force it created a bond but she did not get his memories if she did then Revan would have been killed and she would already have found the Star Forge.

Now yeah it could have helped him, but I don't see how Bastila could have made Revan regain his memory's. He did it on his own, and they could have very well been destroyed, but the force can do a lot even repair minds, and with somebody like Revan I would not be surprised if it did.

Well, for one thing, the memories themselves cannot be destroyed, only suppressed or the thinking organ (Brain) damaged so that it cannot retrieve it. I doubt very much that even the Force can do much more than add a false layer to one's brain. If the Jedi Council can literally destroy one's memories forever, what they did was a greater evil than the Sith.

Now, saying that it was solely Revan's willpower that brought his own memories back is a bit silly. Let's consider this much:

- He had a bond with Bastila that was fuelling dreams about his past, and about the Star Forge. As Bastila says, "Perhaps we were dreaming of Revan and Malak because we wanted to". Don't you find it funny that Revan's recalled memories throughout the game are in alignment with what the council and Bastila are trying to find out?

- If the memories were destroyed, they would cease to exist. Hence, Revan nor the council nor the Force itself could bring them back, unless (and this is a real longshot here... pure speculation) that memories leave imprints in the Force or something to that effect.

- Third, the jedi council and Revan wouldn't have killed Revan and found the Star Forge if they could retrieve his memories... that's totally out of character. Remember, Bastila went out of her way to save REvan's life. She secretly revered him, and was bothered to have a hand in the downfall of such a promising young former jedi. As for the council, they do not believe in execution; it is anathema to the jedi code. Revan was worth redemption, even after his crimes.

They would not have put him in that possition if they didn't have a choice you know that much.

And No I don't think its funny he remembed what he had to when he had to depending on the planet he was on. You have to remember that certain places bring back memories, certain emotions certain feelings. Thats what happens in real life too. Bastila had nothing to do with it, she couldn't have. She could have done nothing but reinforce his will, making him more eager to regain his past, thats it.

I still think you're giving Revan and his willpower too much credit in this instance... and as for places bringing back memories, he had every dream while on the ship. He had a dream of Bastila confronting Revan and killing a dark jedi while on Dantooine in a bunk on the Ebon Hawk, a ship he had nevr been on before.

He heard of Bastila and had seen Bastila, she brougt the memory back.

He went to the planet of which he had his dream, thats the point of it all. At least thats how I see it. And i'm not giving his willpower that much credit just his connection to the force and his ability to learn because I do think he found what the Jedi council tried to hide for ever.

Well, we could go back and forth on this all day.

Point is... Wait, what was the original point?

I don't remember.

I don't either...

Anyway, the Jedi council didn't destroy Revan's mind, the blast did that. Bastila saved his life, and brought him back to the Jedi council who simply gave him new memories. Like Fishy said, even though everyone thought it was impossible, Revan recovered his full memories and overcame the combined power of the Jedi council's programming.

But this whole thing comes back to the fact that Revan had barely any memories of his own, not even remembering his name when people talked about things he had done, and within a year, he recovered his full memories. His power has to be bad ass.

How did Revan get into a Malak vs the Exile thread anyway?

who cut off malaks jaw or do we not no

Originally posted by Emperor Revan
I don't either...

Anyway, the Jedi council didn't destroy Revan's mind, the blast did that. Bastila saved his life, and brought him back to the Jedi council who simply gave him new memories. Like Fishy said, even though everyone thought it was impossible, Revan recovered his full memories and overcame the combined power of the Jedi council's programming.

But this whole thing comes back to the fact that Revan had barely any memories of his own, not even remembering his name when people talked about things he had done, and within a year, he recovered his full memories. His power has to be bad ass.

Yes, he had power to be badass, that's true. Woot. But my point remains is we don't know any specifics about exctly what the council did to him, just assumptions right and left.

Originally posted by Rayvann Sadow
How did Revan get into a Malak vs the Exile thread anyway?

"READ ABOVE QUOTE"
- The Voice of Shai'Tan

WHO CUT MALAKS FREAKING JAWW OFF

Originally posted by DarthMaul9123
WHO CUT MALAKS FREAKING JAWW OFF

We don't know.

Darth Barney.