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Originally posted by kgkg
My guess is Infinity beings is close to TOAA

A fraction of its powers Created IG

If the HOTU is TOAA'S power then it should come at the very least second.

A fraction of its power created the IG Gauntlets however the IG being is not continuity anymore. Phoenix is the force marvel now holds responsible for the creation of the multiverse. The I Being had the role when phoenix was retconned, now im afraid phoenix is back in the driving seat.

Also if there are more than one set of Infinity gems if they can exist in other realities then how on earth are they more powerful than phoenix?

As for LT:

bow before the phoenix:

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
bow before the phoenix:

nice try GS

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
If the HOTU is TOAA'S power then it should come at the very least second.

A fraction of its power created the IG Gauntlets however the IG being is not continuity anymore. Phoenix is the force marvel now holds responsible for the creation of the multiverse. The I Being had the role when phoenix was retconned, now im afraid phoenix is back in the driving seat.

Also if there are more than one set of Infinity gems if they can exist in other realities then how on earth are they more powerful than phoenix?

Did you prove that Phoenix force is what created the Multiverse

Proof of this?

Originally posted by kgkg
that's before the END

nice try GS

Already been dealt with in a previous thread its a good thing i add all my triumphs to my favourites. For anyone interested in the truth have a lil looksie:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=356101&perpage=20&pagenumber=3

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Already been dealt with in a previous thread its a good thing i add all my triumphs to my favourites. For anyone interested in the truth have a lil looksie:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=356101&perpage=20&pagenumber=3

Again you said up to date ohh well

Again I have already explained Forever to you remember

Before the END but current continuity. LT guardian of the multiverse and so is top of the food chain for those seeking to dominate the multiverse. If you get in the way of the cycle of creation however then lil miss grey will manifest herself into the multiverse therefore demoting LT and dealing with said threat. Again for all info check out this thread:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=356101&perpage=20&pagenumber=3

Ciao!!

Originally posted by kgkg
How was it dealth?

Again you said up to date ohh well

Again I have already explained Forever to you remember

Nope. I explained it to you. You typed up what you thought was going on and i clarified your misinterpretation.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Before the END but current continuity. LT guardian of the multiverse and so is top of the food chain for those seeking to dominate the multiverse. If you get in the way of the cycle of creation however then lil miss grey will manifest herself into the multiverse therefore demoting LT and dealing with said threat. Again for all info check out this thread:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=356101&perpage=20&pagenumber=3

Ciao!!

When did you prove anything about Phoenix not being to be able to be effected by LT.?

Last time I checked Stranger was able to use her Powers.

Again beyond the Multiverse? Since when? can you show me some scans of this so called beyond the Multiverse?

or creator of the multiverse?

Originally posted by kgkg
You got to be kidding me GS

When did you prove anything about Phoenix not being to be able to be effected by LT.?

Last time I checked Stranger was able to use her Powers.

Again beyond the Multiverse? Since when? can you show me some scans of this so called beyond the Multiverse?

or creator of the multiverse?

Oh KG resorting to desperate measures i see? Well the aforementioned thread dealt with all queries and said all that really needed to be said on the matter.

As for beyond the multiverse phoenix resides in the white hot room which is beyond creation, beyond the towers of death which death spends its whole existence creating to house all of the fallen. This was all revealed in classic Xmen. I thought you'd read them like i told you to do? Naughty boy.

Gotta go. Be back on tomorrow morning.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Oh KG resorting to desperate measures i see? Well the aforementioned thread dealt with all queries and said all that really needed to be said on the matter.

As for beyond the multiverse phoenix resides in the white hot room which is beyond creation, beyond the towers of death which death spends its whole existence creating to house all of the fallen. This was all revealed in classic Xmen. I thought you'd read them like i told you to do? Naughty boy.

What is creation for all who know creation could be the Universe?

Like in the X-men forever

Creation = Universe

Big bang = Creation = PF = Universe

Beyond the Multiverse again no proof, just false theories

Originally posted by kgkg
What is creation for all who know creation could be the Universe?

Like in the X-men forever

Creation = Universe

Big bang = Creation = PF = Universe

Beyond the Multiverse again no proof, just false theories

Creation equals any and everything below/outside of heaven/ the afterlife. Creation therefore refers to both the universe and the multiverse.

Phoenix is known to be the force responsible for creation as stated by Eternity and the Stranger in Xmen forever, as stated by Jean herself in Xmen the End as stated by Death inExcalibur 25 and also many a time in Classic Xmen:

Classic X-Men 24 Vacation

We are in Greece,and Mastermind is playing mind-tricks with Jean.He tempts her,saying that mutant are modern gods,and have the right to seize the power.
She’s suddenly overwhelmed by the Phoenix,and replies that he offers what she already possesses,
because she is Phoenix.Now and forever,the power of creation is hers.Through her,the circle remains unbroken.From her comes the end that in itself is a new beginning.Hers is the fire that consumes,yet from its ashes brings forth a new life.Then Jean comes back to her senses,and denies what she said,saying that Phoenix is only a name,she’s Jean Grey,and runs away in shock.

Comments
-Here the idea of the Phoenix as “Alpha and Omega”,is expressed very clearly.
Claremont has repeated the concept many times over the years,saying for example that the phoenix is the first spark that ignited creation and the fire that is destined to consume it.In Excalibur 25 Galactus says that the Phoenix can destroy existence,and Death responds from this destruction always comes a rebirth,it is part of the natural order of things.This is not only consistent with phoenix mythologies,is perfectly logical.Universes die in the fire and is reborn from the fire,from the cosmic egg of the Big Bang.Creation is a Phoenix. Hence the many repeated saying that phoenix is the sum and substance of all that is.

Phoenix is the force ignites/jumpstarts creation, it is one with it and maintains it before eventually consuming it in flame. That is the natural end of a universe, all universes. It is current continuity im afraid. If you look in the F4 Handbook you'll even see in Galactus bio that it was Phoenix that bonded him with the universe she created allowing to survive the end of the old universe and become Galactus.

As for beyond creation LT Jeans name is Phoenix of the white crown. Crown being the white hot room, which is the afterlife as is pretty well established. I think its pretty safe to presume that the afterlife is beyond the multiverse KG.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Creation equals any and everything below/outside of heaven/ the afterlife. Creation therefore refers to both the universe and the multiverse.

Phoenix is known to be the force responsible for creation as stated by Eternity and the Stranger in Xmen forever, as stated by Jean herself in Xmen the End as stated by Death inExcalibur 25 and also many a time in Classic Xmen:

Classic X-Men 24 Vacation

We are in Greece,and Mastermind is playing mind-tricks with Jean.He tempts her,saying that mutant are modern gods,and have the right to seize the power.
She’s suddenly overwhelmed by the Phoenix,and replies that he offers what she already possesses,
because she is Phoenix.Now and forever,the power of creation is hers.Through her,the circle remains unbroken.From her comes the end that in itself is a new beginning.Hers is the fire that consumes,yet from its ashes brings forth a new life.Then Jean comes back to her senses,and denies what she said,saying that Phoenix is only a name,she’s Jean Grey,and runs away in shock.

Comments
-Here the idea of the Phoenix as “Alpha and Omega”,is expressed very clearly.
Claremont has repeated the concept many times over the years,saying for example that the phoenix is the first spark that ignited creation and the fire that is destined to consume it.In Excalibur 25 Galactus says that the Phoenix can destroy existence,and Death responds from this destruction always comes a rebirth,it is part of the natural order of things.This is not only consistent with phoenix mythologies,is perfectly logical.Universes die in the fire and is reborn from the fire,from the cosmic egg of the Big Bang.Creation is a Phoenix. Hence the many repeated saying that phoenix is the sum and substance of all that is.

Phoenix is the force ignites/jumpstarts creation, it is one with it and maintains it before eventually consuming it in flame. That is the natural end of a universe, all universes. It is current continuity im afraid. If you look in the F4 Handbook you'll even see in Galactus bio that it was Phoenix that bonded him with the universe she created allowing to survive the end of the old universe and become Galactus.

As for beyond creation LT Jeans name is Phoenix of the white crown. Crown being the white hot room, which is the afterlife as is pretty well established. I think its pretty safe to presume that the afterlife is beyond the multiverse KG.

This is actually funny.

I have at least Three references to Creation = Universal at least 3 references and Phoenix is in two of them 🙂

Again assumption vs actually statement from comics

And you have to remember beyond it or whatever doesn’t mean much

the cubes get from beyond the multiverse.

1.) you need to prove multiversal , rite out of the comics not assumption because I already told you Creation = Universal it’s been stated , can you show me an example of creation used for Multiverse?
2.) You keep assuming that Phoenix force is powerful when there are no actually feats of power.

wow rampant copying and pasting...yeah i really have nothign to add BTW

Originally posted by kgkg
This is actually funny.

I have at least Three references to Creation = Universal at least 3 references and Phoenix is in two of them 🙂

Again assumption vs actually statement from comics

And you have to remember beyond it or whatever doesn’t mean much

the cubes get from beyond the multiverse.

1.) you need to prove multiversal , rite out of the comics not assumption because I already told you Creation = Universal it’s been stated , can you show me an example of creation used for Multiverse?
2.) You keep assuming that Phoenix force is powerful when there are no actually feats of power.

It is no assumption KG. Creation refers to everything beyond/ below the afterlife. Therefore it includes both the universe and the multiverse. That is not assumption im afraid. The Phoenix consciousness is a multiversal power that certain people in each universe can access because of their genetic potential. Jean is the main phoenix however because she is from the 616 universe, the main marvel universe she is referred to in terms of this universe.

In my previous post ive referred to many instances where phoenix is referred to as the natural end of a universe. The natural order of a universe is that it is created, maintained and destroyed by phoenix. That is not assumption that is stated as previously mentioned in the comics. Therefore it is pretty safe to presume that all universe in the natural scheme of things have this beginning and end. Galactus is a powerful cosmic being that is known to have alternate universe counterparts across the multiverse. Galactus became Galactus because of Phoenix. What does that tell you? Some things KG you have to work out yourself, you're an intelligent boy you dont need everything spelled out for you.

Phoenixes position as a multiversal being is not in debate, this has already been debated however you are running around in circles because you have nothing else to fall back on.

The cube beings come from beyond our multiverse, but they are still within creation. Phoenix resides in the white hot room, the afterlife of marvel. Thats completely different KG. Good attempt though.

There are no feats of power KG? The phoenix is stated by the abstracts to be the natural begining and end of creation, the Phoenix contained the power of the multiversal reset switch that is the M'kraan crystal (a feat that was shown/confirmed to be beyond all but Phoenix), Phoenix connected all of the universes of the multiverse together by projecting a doorway throughout the multiverse (as shown in Excalibur), Phoenix held the 616 universe in her hand (also giving just a little hint that she's outside of the multiverse) and reformed it and rewound its timeline telekinetically, molecule by molecule. Xmen Forever showed that the power of Phoenix was enough to humble LT.

I think thats enough KG. I'll be back on tomorrow to take apart your reply.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
It is no assumption KG. Creation refers to everything beyond/ below the afterlife. Therefore it includes both the universe and the multiverse. That is not assumption im afraid. The Phoenix consciousness is a multiversal power that certain people in each universe can access because of their genetic potential. Jean is the main phoenix however because she is from the 616 universe, the main marvel universe she is referred to in terms of this universe.

In my previous post ive referred to many instances where phoenix is referred to as the natural end of a universe. The natural order of a universe is that it is created, maintained and destroyed by phoenix. That is not assumption that is stated as previously mentioned in the comics. Therefore it is pretty safe to presume that all universe in the natural scheme of things have this beginning and end. Galactus is a powerful cosmic being that is known to have alternate universe counterparts across the multiverse. Galactus became Galactus because of Phoenix. What does that tell you? Some things KG you have to work out yourself, you're an intelligent boy you dont need everything spelled out for you.

Phoenixes position as a multiversal being is not in debate, this has already been debated however you are running around in circles because you have nothing else to fall back on.

The cube beings come from beyond our multiverse, but they are still within creation. Phoenix resides in the white hot room, the afterlife of marvel. Thats completely different KG. Good attempt though.

There are no feats of power KG? The phoenix is stated by the abstracts to be the natural begining and end of creation, the Phoenix contained the power of the multiversal reset switch that is the M'kraan crystal (a feat that was shown/confirmed to be beyond all but Phoenix), Phoenix connected all of the universes of the multiverse together by projecting a doorway throughout the multiverse (as shown in Excalibur), Phoenix held the 616 universe in her hand (also giving just a little hint that she's outside of the multiverse) and reformed it and rewound its timeline telekinetically, molecule by molecule. Xmen Forever showed that the power of Phoenix was enough to humble LT.

I think thats enough KG. I'll be back on tomorrow to take apart your reply.

Tell you what

You find me a scan that say Phoenix Force created the Multiverse and you win it is that simple

Originally posted by Dizzle
What's the gap between Rune King Thor and normal King Thor like? Normal King Thor is nowhere near top 10 most powerful...

1. TOAA
2. HOTU
3. LT
4. Phoenix
5. IG
6. Eternity
7/8/9. Infinity/Death/Oblivion (close enough to equal...)
10. Possibly Exitar and the higher Celestials? Or Full Power Galactus... Or someone I'm completely forgetting.

Phoenix is not above Eternity/Death/Oblivion or any of the abstracts.

hey galactic what comic is that from with the phoenix scans

and can i download it 😄