Fantastic Four vs X-Men

Started by Creshosk33 pages

Originally posted by Wynndar
Is that the best u can do? That was an obvious depiction of Sue's superiority over Emma.
Because Emma talks to much. instead of speakign she could have acted. She didn't.

Originally posted by Wynndar
It makes perfect sense for Sue to beat her.
Sure for an FF fan.

Originally posted by Wynndar
She's been around longer, she fights much more.
Hulk's been around longer and has fought more than Xavier and Cable, does that mean that Hulk automatically wins?

Originally posted by Wynndar
She's a better warrior and just a lot tougher all around.
See above.

Originally posted by Wynndar
After she KO's Emma she even says "Ur not the only one who's powers operate at the speed of thought."
It's funny how you keep going back to this, ignoring the fact that Emma was announcing her gameplan, which took longer than 30 m/s. . .

Originally posted by Wynndar
U read X-Men and u know that Emma would know what IW was thinking as soon as she thought of it. But IW beat her to the draw.
Because she was talking instead of acting.

Originally posted by Wynndar
IW can also protect her whole team from Emma if they r not already protected from Reed's tech.
Another gadget, beautiful.

So Sue DOES have some Psionic resistence with her shields.

Originally posted by Wynndar
Its like I said in the other thread...If this debate is simply going to amount to an argument over who strikes first and takes out the other team single handedly, Emma or IW, then this isnt a going to be an interesting thread.
No, it's not.

Originally posted by Wynndar
Wolveine can get some hits in if the FF r just trying to calm him down. But any single member would turn him into a stain.
Not Torch, . . torch would turn him into the shiny skeleton as mentioned before. . . the blood would be gone. 😛

Originally posted by Creshosk
It's your argument. 😆

This would be so effective if it were true.

Originally posted by Creshosk
The same can be said of you, believe it or not.

It can't though can it? Because I'm not doing what you're doing.

Originally posted by Creshosk
A) ad hominem
Ab) The people taht are denying that the mindwipe can work are FF fans.
B) Non factor to the boards.

You're essentially saying comics are a non-factor. I hope you realise the ridiculousness of this.

Originally posted by Creshosk
And I was saying it's much more likely for him to be taken out before he reached Nova, than for him to reach nova before being taken out.

Why is it more than likely? Because you say so? You said yourself Emma talks more than she acts. Why isn't she "more likely" to be taken out by Sue as a result? It's happened before.

Originally posted by Creshosk
It's just as wrong to assume he won't, given the fact he has no psionic resistance.

I'm not assuming he won't. I'm saying don't assume he will. You're meant to have some reputation here. I'm far from impressed.

Originally posted by Creshosk
I would say that your hypocrasy was ironic, but I've rather come to expect it by this point.

I'm not being a hypocrite. Because I'm not purposefully and intentionally misreading your posts.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Cyclops could do a wide angle beam from the get go and kncok everyone back. . . and those caught off guard could be knocked out. Namely Torch. Cyclops beam is not made of heat, it's concussive so it would be possible to effect the Torch

Why are you literally scripting the fight against the F4? How unfair is it that the F4 seemingly have to stand there while the X-Men do all this? Bit stupid.

Originally posted by wannabe
It brings into scope propaganda and public opinion AND it veils an unbiased view on the characters and what they really can do in such a fight...far from any reputation, how well earned it may be, cause every reputation and public opinion carries within the seed for preoccupation and unobjective judgement.

That all balances on the belief that I'm thinking as a biased and propaganda following comics reader. I'm not. I highlighted their reputation, but I believe it's no reason they would win.

Originally posted by wannabe
Please don't get me wrong...i'm a fan of the FF (surprised?)...but taking in all i know about both teams...the X-Men DO have a good chance BUT are admittedly far from being clear winners!

Beyond all this drastically one sided and assumptive "mindwipe" business, please show me how Wolverine, Cyclops, Storm and Emma Frost (who is a liability as Creshosk pointed out) have a good chance. Wolverine, Cyclops and Storm are nothing to Sue, nor Torch, if we're being fair. Then there's Thing and Reed. Oh but yes, "No gadgets". There's no reason to say no gadgets, but we do anyway because that takes away from the F4.

How about no psionics for Emma then? How about...no powers? We just fight with brute force?

-AC

Re: Ff

Originally posted by Maximum
Fantastic Four
Mr.Fantastic
Invisable Women
The Thing
Human Tourch

Vs.

Wolverine
Storm
Cyclopse
Emma Frost

Who Would Win????

Might Be A Stupid Battle But I'm Bord

Looking at the title and the forum rules, (each character fighting to the best of their abilities.) Taking out piS, and leaving these characters with their standard equipment, why is which team winning?

From what I hear and know, Sue and Emma are the key players on each team.

Logan is exendable and cannon fodder, cyclops can effectively hold thing, reed, and possibly torch back, and storm with her claremont abilities should be emma's right hand, or backup.

On the other hand, thing could keep wolverine down, but is quite useless against storm emma, and cyclops.

Mr fantastic is the most versatile, and could only be held back by cyclops and storm, wolverine is a non point. Emma can keep him back too.

Then there is Torch, the second to sue, like storm is on the xmen.

Most will say that storm can defeat torch rather easily with her "claremont powers", but I know she can pose a threat to torch.

Torch can beat her as well.

That being said, this isn't fully cut out, and can deviate easily due to the number of combatants on each team.

What are some good scopes of emma's true tp prowress?

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
That all balances on the belief that I'm thinking as a biased and propaganda following comics reader. I'm not. I highlighted their reputation, but I believe it's no reason they would win.

Perhaps you can remember me, taking your one post just as an example and making it clear in my next, that i don't wanted to address you personally as a completely biased person(which comes to my mind now, the longer i read your postings) but that i took a general stand and addressed everyone!
My intention was not accusation but prevention.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Beyond all this drastically one sided and assumptive "mindwipe" business, please show me how Wolverine, Cyclops, Storm and Emma Frost (who is a liability as Creshosk pointed out) have a good chance. Wolverine, Cyclops and Storm are nothing to Sue, nor Torch, if we're being fair. Then there's Thing and Reed. Oh but yes, "No gadgets". There's no reason to say no gadgets, but we do anyway because that takes away from the F4.

How about no psionics for Emma then? How about...no powers? We just fight with brute force?

-AC


Everything i have to say was certainly already posted and i'm not going to repeat me or anyone else knowingly now...it's not worth the time!
I guess you will take this for proof, that my assumption that the X-Men surely have a chance isn't worth a damn...but perhaps it's ME being preoccupied now!

Understood, no harm or foul.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
This would be so effective if it were true.
Must be why it irritates you so.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It can't though can it? Because I'm not doing what you're doing.
No, I'm doign what you're doing. Slight difference in that you did it first. 😉

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You're essentially saying comics are a non-factor. I hope you realise the ridiculousness of this.
There are more factors in comics than are here, for example you can't really have either side win as that would upset one fanbase or the other.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Why is it more than likely?
Because it's more likely for a psionic to effect a person without psionic resistance than
For a psionic to be unable to effect a person with no psionic resistence.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Because you say so?
Because logic says so.

Why wouldn't it? Because you say so?

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You said yourself Emma talks more than she acts. Why isn't she "more likely" to be taken out by Sue as a result? It's happened before.
For the sake of the plot. Obviously that's not a factor here.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I'm not assuming he won't.
Then why imply it?

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I'm saying don't assume he will.
Why not? Does he have psionic resistance?

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You're meant to have some reputation here. I'm far from impressed.
Likewise. I've seen no great reasoning ability to be impressed by.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I'm not being a hypocrite. Because I'm not purposefully and intentionally misreading your posts.
Then you are initially unintentionally misreading my posts, but making it intentional by refusal to correct yourself.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Why are you literally scripting the fight against the F4?
Because I think that this fight is in favor of the other side.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
How unfair is it that the F4 seemingly have to stand there while the X-Men do all this? Bit stupid.
How fair is it for the reverse?

And we are talking about speed attacks here.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
That all balances on the belief that I'm thinking as a biased and propaganda following comics reader. I'm not.
You have yet to prove otherwise, and thus far have shown yourself to be baised.

Emma can't effect Torch because. . . actually I haven't heard a reason.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I highlighted their reputation, but I believe it's no reason they would win.
Then why highlight it at all if it's a non-factor?

"They beat down cosmics! so the X-men are nothing to these god slayers." Is the way it sounds.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Beyond all this drastically one sided and assumptive "mindwipe" business,
Still haven't shown how it wouldn't work. You keep bringing up a plot based issue.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
please show me how Wolverine, Cyclops, Storm and Emma Frost (who is a liability as Creshosk pointed out)
Oh, yes lets rely on a plot based stupidity, because its all you really have to cling to.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
have a good chance. Wolverine, Cyclops and Storm are nothing to Sue, nor Torch, if we're being fair.
That's neither fair nor unbaised sounding.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Then there's Thing and Reed. Oh but yes, "No gadgets". There's no reason to say no gadgets,
Other than if its not explicitly stated then its assumed there is no prep and only the things that the characters regularly carry on them apply, so said by the KMC rules?

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
but we do anyway because that takes away from the F4.
Doing so because it's in the rules.

The reasoning is that why should one side get prep and not the other?

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
How about no psionics for Emma then? How about...no powers? We just fight with brute force?
Now now, no reason to be bitter.

That's also not very unbaised sounding I'm affraid.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Must be why it irritates you so.

Doesn't irritate me, amuses me. Greatly.

Originally posted by Creshosk
No, I'm doign what you're doing. Slight difference in that you did it first. 😉

True, true. Oh, that and the fact that you're not doing what I did. You're doing something childish and claiming I did it.

Originally posted by Creshosk
There are more factors in comics than are here, for example you can't really have either side win as that would upset one fanbase or the other.

I'm not worried about upsetting fanbases. You ask me who would win, I assess the powers and abilities of each person and/or team, pros and cons, then decide who are the more likely victors. Everyone on this forum more or less seems to be a bunch of X-Men yes men.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Because it's more likely for a psionic to effect a person without psionic resistance than
For a psionic to be unable to effect a person with no psionic resistence.

Why? She isn't Sue-resistant is she?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Because logic says so.

Why wouldn't it? Because you say so?

Who's logic? Yours. You are saying it's more likely Torch would be taken out than Emma purely because he's not psionically resistant. As said, Emma isn't Sue resistant, why isn't this being considered? Because you don't want to.

Originally posted by Creshosk
For the sake of the plot. Obviously that's not a factor here.

What plot? It's a Vs Thread. We're judging on the characters so yes it's a factor. Why wouldn't it be? Because you'd be up slack alley? Exactly.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Then why imply it?

I didn't imply it. You misread my post and misinterpreted it to a degree that you were happy with.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Why not? Does he have psionic resistance?

No. Does Emma have Sue resistance? No. So why are you assuming it's more likely for Torch to be taken out than Emma? Simple question.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Likewise. I've seen no great reasoning ability to be impressed by.

I'm not here to impress, not suggesting you are either. The fact that you're talking complete nonsense and only replying with mirroring comments, albeit wrong, suggests that you aren't all that anyway.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Then you are initially unintentionally misreading my posts, but making it intentional by refusal to correct yourself.

I'm not misreading your posts unintentionally nor intentionally. Nor am I refusing to correct myself because there is nothing to correct. You misread my post so you're implying I should "correct" my post to mean what you interpreted it to mean. That would be altering for your intents and purposes, not correcting. I'm not a newbie, you can't twist words with me, sunshine.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Because I think that this fight is in favor of the other side.

Yes, why is it? Because you're scripting it so, biasedly.

Originally posted by Creshosk
How fair is it for the reverse?

And we are talking about speed attacks here.

So, speed attacks or not. You're creating a biased and one-sided, scripted fight in which you've gave the F4 a handicap more or less, despite it not being specified in the thread title. THEN unintermittedly you form a sequence of events that are unrealistic yet perfectly "realistic" according to you, as how the fight would go. When confronted with the fact that we all know that would be far from the case, you claim that comics aren't relevant.

Originally posted by Creshosk
You have yet to prove otherwise, and thus far have shown yourself to be baised.

No, I've shown myself to be of the belief that the F4 would win. You are assuming I'm biased because it gives you some kind of comfort in the subconscious thought of "I'm biased, he is too".

Originally posted by Creshosk
Emma can't effect Torch because. . . actually I haven't heard a reason.

I never stated "Emma Frost cannot effect Torch." Let this be a lesson to you for diving in head first and making assumptions.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Then why highlight it at all if it's a non-factor?

I never said it was a non-factor, I said it's not a reason that they will win the battle. You make such huge leaps of connection and fall each time. Let's make a thing clear, I'm no newbie. I'm not impressed nor confused by your oh so played out tactic of "Let's confuse them into conceding or agreeing". Don't play the smart ass, I'm better at it than you.

Originally posted by Creshosk
"They beat down cosmics! so the X-men are nothing to these god slayers." Is the way it sounds.

Not my problem. I'm responsible for what I say, not what you hear.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Still haven't shown how it wouldn't work. You keep bringing up a plot based issue.

A) Never said it wouldn't work theoretically. I said it's not going to happen in the comics because nobody is gonna take that and nobody is gonna believe that it could happen.

B) It's a COMIC Vs forum. Stop acting as if referring to comics is a cardinal sin.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Oh, yes lets rely on a plot based stupidity, because its all you really have to cling to.

Cling to? Coming from the guy who has relied on misinterpretation, purposefully I might add, to continue as far as he has, I'd consider who's clinging to who here.

We're discussing characters, characters that exist in the comics. Stop acting as if referring to comics is "stupid". Emma let slip before, Sue took her out. It's on the CV.

Originally posted by Creshosk
That's neither fair nor unbaised sounding.

It's not biased, learn the meaning of the word and stop clinging to that. Sue could single handedly take out Wolverine, Cyclops and Storm one on one or possible 3 on 1. She IS powerful enough by fact. But then again, I judge by comics. Those mediums that gave birth to the characters yet are coincidentally not relevant here.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Other than if its not explicitly stated then its assumed there is no prep and only the things that the characters regularly carry on them apply, so said by the KMC rules?

Reed doesn't regularly carry gadgets? How do you know what he does and doesn't carry? Or are you assuming for your own purposes? Of course you are.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Doing so because it's in the rules.

See above.

Originally posted by Creshosk
The reasoning is that why should one side get prep and not the other?

Why are you operating under the assumption that Reed is gonna create something new? Prep may very well not be needed. He has already made items that could be used and who's to say he's not got them with him? He's pulled items like that out of nowhere before.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Now now, no reason to be bitter.

That's also not very unbaised sounding I'm affraid.

Learn the meaning of the word "unbiased" please. That's my first request.

Second, if we're not allowing F4 one of their defining attributes, why should we allow the X-Men theirs? If anything I'm being fair. Let's make this an equal fight. Because if they are both allowed access to that which they use in battle, you know as well as I do that the chances of F4 winning by landslide is increased based on situational evidence and comic history. If they've got ready made items to deal with Galactus, they have ones to deal with X-Men. ESPECIALLY this foursome that have been provided.

-AC

holly shit

Originally posted by Alan Centauri
I'm not a newbie, you can't twist words with me, sunshine.

-AP

I'm glad you put the word 'sunshine' in, in place of what was previously there.

Would have been really disturbing calling the man 'sweetcheeks', as originally posted.

I knew you'd come in with some kind of homoerotic assumption so I changed it because of that, I thought calling him sweetcheeks would have been funny actually.

But alas, around you, jokes can't be made.

-AC

WHO misread who's post dammit!!!!

Originally posted by Alan Centauri
I knew you'd come in with some kind of homoerotic assumption so I changed it because of that, I thought calling him sweetcheeks would have been funny actually.

But alas, around you, jokes can't be made.

-AP

It would have been funny.

AC, if your not really back, then why keep debating. seems like a waste of time. sue only beat emma because emma gave sue "prep" time you could say. if they each went at each-other, then I believe emma would take sue because telepathy moves at the speed of thought. sue claimed that her powers moved at the speed of thought, but there's no proof that they do. just like when storm threatened to use sun-lasers, and explained as to how she could use them. she didn't use them so no one counts them as an actual attack. same can go for sue. and storm could take sue, seeing as crystal affected IW's fields, and storm is waaaay more powerful than crystal. storm is one of marvels leading elementals, and crystal isn't even close to the list. also, storm has easily blown out johnny twice, and has easily beaten him. it can easily happen again.

Originally posted by stormfront13
AC, if your not really back, then why keep debating. seems like a waste of time.

Oh, it's you. It's only this thread. I'm not becoming a poster in this forum regularly again. This is just one debate that always makes me chuckle.

Originally posted by stormfront13
sue only beat emma because emma gave sue "prep" time you could say. if they each went at each-other, then I believe emma would take sue because telepathy moves at the speed of thought. sue claimed that her powers moved at the speed of thought, but there's no proof that they do.

Some things never ever change. Sue beat Emma because Emma is too confident and Sue spanked her for her troubles. No if's, and's or but's about it. Emma messed up and Sue took her out.

There's no proof? Sue said it, which means the writers say she can. What more proof do you want? You're actually gonna call the writers liars? Moreover, it's not a ridiculous claim. Sue claiming she can use her powers at the speed of thought (considering it's her mind that creates this powers) isn't a wild claim. It's very believable and provable. Storm using the power of the stars isn't.

Originally posted by stormfront13
just like when storm threatened to use sun-lasers, and explained as to how she could use them. she didn't use them so no one counts them as an actual attack. same can go for sue. and storm could take sue, seeing as crystal affected IW's fields, and storm is waaaay more powerful than crystal. storm is one of marvels leading elementals, and crystal isn't even close to the list.

With what evidence are you making these leaps of logic? If I wield a stick of kryptonite I can take out Superman, it doesn't mean Thing can because he's way more stronger than me does it? No. I just happened to have the key element to win. Storm doesn't have that with Sue, lest we forget she's claustrophobic. Bubble around her head and she's gone.

Storm's powers do not in anyway involve "sun-lasers". That's a stupid thought of a stupid man. Sue has proven her power on many occasions so the speed on which she uses them isn't out of the question. Let's not get hung up on this.

Originally posted by stormfront13
also, storm has easily blown out johnny twice, and has easily beaten him. it can easily happen again.

It could, but would it? Maybe, maybe not. Jonny could kill Storm if he so chose, in seconds. Lets not forget that. Jonny fires faster than Storm can conjure wind.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Doesn't irritate me, amuses me. Greatly.
Denial #1.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
True, true. Oh, that and the fact that you're not doing what I did. You're doing something childish and claiming I did it.
Denial #2
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I'm not worried about upsetting fanbases.
Writers are, that's why as such they don't apply.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You ask me who would win, I assess the powers and abilities of each person and/or team, pros and cons, then decide who are the more likely victors.
Don't forget that you factor in your own personal tastes and preferences.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Everyone on this forum more or less seems to be a bunch of X-Men yes men.
Ah yes, the victim routine, since not everyone agrees with you it must be the BOARD that is baised.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Why? She isn't Sue-resistant is she?
😆

Follow the bread crumbs dear.

We were discussing Emma vs Torch.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Who's logic? Yours.
No, common sense sort of logic.

Better we should follow yours? You like a character more so they inherently gain additional powers to help them?

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You are saying it's more likely Torch would be taken out than Emma purely because he's not psionically resistant.
I'm saying its more likely for him to be taken out by Emma than to not be If she is able to get her attack off.

He starts to go nova she starts to mind wipe. Who is more likely to succeed first?

Here's a hint: 30 m/s

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
As said, Emma isn't Sue resistant, why isn't this being considered? Because you don't want to.
So is Sue psionically resistant then since you want to focus on this?

Because a psionic attack can effect multiple peopl at the same time, as it has before.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
What plot? It's a Vs Thread. We're judging on the characters so yes it's a factor. Why wouldn't it be? Because you'd be up slack alley? Exactly.
So the plot is considered, even though this is a vs thread? 😆 look at that a contradiction in one paragraph.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I didn't imply it. You misread my post and misinterpreted it to a degree that you were happy with.
Here's the next denial.

Sad really.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
No. Does Emma have Sue resistance? No. So why are you assuming it's more likely for Torch to be taken out than Emma? Simple question.
Covered this, moving on.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I'm not here to impress, not suggesting you are either. The fact that you're talking complete nonsense and only replying with mirroring comments, albeit wrong, suggests that you aren't all that anyway.
And I've seen nothing but the same old same old from you, that I see from everyone else. Oh well.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I'm not misreading your posts unintentionally nor intentionally.
Here's another denial. You misread my first post. It has since been pointed out. Now you further it by insisting on sticking to the misread post.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Nor am I refusing to correct myself because there is nothing to correct.
Here's the next denial. You think you're right, you think you read all my posts properly, oddly enough if you had we wouldn't be this involved.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You misread my post so you're implying I should "correct" my post to mean what you interpreted it to mean.
You misread my post first, now I'm being intentionally obtuse until you correct yourself. You are refusing to correct yourself so you continue to be obtuse as well.

I'm fighting fire with fire.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
That would be altering for your intents and purposes, not correcting. I'm not a newbie, you can't twist words with me, sunshine.
Newbie or someone who's been around for awhile, status doesn't determine intelligence.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Yes, why is it? Because you're scripting it so, biasedly.
Not really, I just feel that Emma's mindwipe is faster than Sue's attack.

Sue really didn't prove how fast the attack was when emma was talkign about doing it, since Emma was talking for the plot instead of acting.

Had Emma been acting instead of talking and Sue took her down, I'd be more inclined to beleive that Sue was faster.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
So, speed attacks or not. You're creating a biased and one-sided, scripted fight in which you've gave the F4 a handicap more or less, despite it not being specified in the thread title.

So I'm more baised for following the rules, than you are for wanting to bend the rules in favor of the FF?

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
THEN unintermittedly you form a sequence of events that are unrealistic yet perfectly "realistic" according to you, as how the fight would go.
As opposed to being unrealistic but realistic to you?

That's the real kicker though, anyone that doesn't agree with your opinion, and your veiw is obviously the one that's baised. The whole forum is baised, it's everyone ELSE that's at fault, rather than you.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
When confronted with the fact that we all know that would be far from the case, you claim that comics aren't relevant.
Oh so now suddenly its a "we" who's we? I thought you said that the forum was baised towards the X-side. . . Hmm. . .
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
No, I've shown myself to be of the belief that the F4 would win. You are assuming I'm biased because it gives you some kind of comfort in the subconscious thought of "I'm biased, he is too".
Thanks for confessing, and explaining exactly why you think I'm baised.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I never stated "Emma Frost cannot effect Torch." Let this be a lesson to you for diving in head first and making assumptions.
But obviously it's more realistic for the psionic to be unable to effect the one without the psionic resistence.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I never said it was a non-factor, I said it's not a reason that they will win the battle. You make such huge leaps of connection and fall each time. Let's make a thing clear, I'm no newbie. I'm not impressed nor confused by your oh so played out tactic of "Let's confuse them into conceding or agreeing". Don't play the smart ass, I'm better at it than you.
So you didn't bring it up to make a point, but you didn't bring it up to not make a point. . .
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Not my problem. I'm responsible for what I say, not what you hear.
You also seem to be responsible for what I say, and what I hear whjen reading your posts. . .
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
A) Never said it wouldn't work theoretically. I said it's not going to happen in the comics because nobody is gonna take that and nobody is gonna believe that it could happen.
And why do you suppose that is?
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
B) It's a COMIC Vs forum. Stop acting as if referring to comics is a cardinal sin.
I'm not. But if you're going to reference comics please refer to something that doesn't rely heavily on a plot device.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Cling to? Coming from the guy who has relied on misinterpretation, purposefully I might add, to continue as far as he has, I'd consider who's clinging to who here.
So now you are responsible for what I hear, obviously because you assume I misunderstood, when in truth I cut right through all your BS straight to what you really meant.

Do you have anythign else to support your argument, you should obviously if you aren't clinging to it.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
We're discussing characters, characters that exist in the comics. Stop acting as if referring to comics is "stupid". Emma let slip before, Sue took her out. It's on the CV.
And now we're back to viciously defending the thing that you aren't clinging to.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It's not biased, learn the meaning of the word and stop clinging to that.
No, but obviously I am the one that's baised, even though I clearly don't know the meaning of the word that refers to favoring one side or the other.

You seem to be upset about me using it on you, and pointing out your bais, but there's nothing wrong with you doing the same.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Sue could single handedly take out Wolverine, Cyclops and Storm one on one or possible 3 on 1.
Maybe. Cyclops I'm more or less seeing a luck of the draw.

Wolverine no contest.

Storm might be a bit more difficult than the other two.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
She IS powerful enough by fact. But then again, I judge by comics. Those mediums that gave birth to the characters yet are coincidentally not relevant here.
And you are once again defending the thing that you aren't clinging to. . . hmm . . .
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Reed doesn't regularly carry gadgets? How do you know what he does and doesn't carry? Or are you assuming for your own purposes? Of course you are.
So obviously you know exactly what I know, better than I know myself. . . Because I obviously don't read the comics, do I? How could I knot know that reed always has the components on him to make a new gadget. . .

Like when he had to use the fantasticar to make a gadget to defeat Terminus. No, he obviously already had that gadget assembled and on him.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Why are you operating under the assumption that Reed is gonna create something new? Prep may very well not be needed. He has already made items that could be used and who's to say he's not got them with him? He's pulled items like that out of nowhere before.
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Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Learn the meaning of the word "unbiased" please. That's my first request.
You seem to think it means that anyone who doesn't agree with you is baised. I seem to think that it means favoring one side or the other, and including trying to bend the rules to one side or the other's favor.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Second, if we're not allowing F4 one of their defining attributes, why should we allow the X-Men theirs?
Oh, so now the FF are batman are they? They always carry all the thigns they need with them? How conveint.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
If anything I'm being fair.
"The rules should be bent to favor the FF," is not being fair.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Let's make this an equal fight.
Now reed NEEDS his gadgets for this to be fair? I thought Sue could take them all on herself?
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Because if they are both allowed access to that which they use in battle, you know as well as I do that the chances of F4 winning by landslide is increased based on situational evidence and comic history.
Unfortunatley we'd have to bend the rules to give them something that they don't have with them in EVERY fight.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
If they've got ready made items to deal with Galactus, they have ones to deal with X-Men. ESPECIALLY this foursome that have been provided.
And that would be giving them prep, since this is supposed to be a random battle they wouldn't be carrying their anti-X spray with them, any more then they'd be carrying anti-spider spray, or anti superman spray or anything else.

Sue isn't single handling anyone because of Emma and how she gonna be able to take storm down to maybe one on one but their are other factors.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
There's no proof? Sue said it, which means the writers say she can.
Like Hyperion claiming to have slain everyone in his old universe including galactus, and then being taken out by mimic?

Characters posture, because people think it's cool.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
What more proof do you want? You're actually gonna call the writers liars?
No, I'm going to call Sue mistaken. Or unproven.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Moreover, it's not a ridiculous claim. Sue claiming she can use her powers at the speed of thought (considering it's her mind that creates this powers) isn't a wild claim. It's very believable and provable. Storm using the power of the stars isn't.
It's possible. But it's not really proven yet.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
lest we forget she's claustrophobic. Bubble around her head and she's gone.
Yes because she's going to make a claustrphobic, feel claustropohbic in an invisible bubble with which she can see out of.

Except that that's not really the way it works.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Storm's powers do not in anyway involve "sun-lasers". That's a stupid thought of a stupid man.
And nowwe are attacking writer stupidity. . .*sigh*

Originally posted by Droopy
Sue isn't single handling anyone because of Emma and how she gonna be able to take storm down to maybe one on one but their are other factors.
You're obviously baised for thinking that Sue isn't powerful enough to take on three x-men simultaneously.

Sue could single handedly take out Wolverine, Cyclops and Storm one on one or possible 3 on 1. She IS powerful enough by fact.

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