Select this link and then go to non jewish references:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiphereth_%28Kabbalah%29
Something interesting is there 😉
Select this link and then go to non jewish references:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiphereth_%28Kabbalah%29
Something interesting is there 😉
Originally posted by illadelph12
Are you sure that's what tiphereth means GS? I understand it's place in the tree of life according to Kabbalah, but are you familiar with Metatron's Cube and Keter? If so, you might change up a bit of what you're saying.This thread is still a reach, though.
I would think that Phoenix would more relate to Keter than to Tiphereth as she is mentioned as Phoenix of the White "Crown" which is what Keter means, there's a page on the wikipedia site that tells a lot
Originally posted by illadelph12
Are you sure that's what tiphereth means GS? I understand it's place in the tree of life according to Kabbalah, but are you familiar with Metatron's Cube and Keter? If so, you might change up a bit of what you're saying.This thread is still a reach, though.
Keter means crown.It is the crown of creation,because it stays on top of creation without being part of it,as the crown over the head.Keter is the sphere that contains all that was, is,or will be.Keter includes All of Time,unifying All Change, All Time,and All Form in a singularity.It is Nothing and Everything,Beginning and Ending,Alpha and Omega.In it resides the foundation of time,infinite-finite, and light-darkness.It is the First Emanation,the point of absolute Unity without division.It is the Source of All,and the Highest Divine Essence that we can conceive.Every Sephirah is a gate, and Keter is the gate between the Unmanifest(God without form) and the world being accessible to human consciousness. Regarded as a level of consciousness, Keter represents union with God, the Completion of the Great Work, the end and aim of any mystical experience.To reach Keter is to be disintegrated,a dissolution that does not mean death,but rather union with the Ultimate Reality.The colour used to represent it is brilliant white,both to symbolize burning radiance and the union of all colors of the spectrum.
All im going to say is Phoenix of the WHITE Crown(Keter)
Originally posted by Phoenix_Avatar9
I would think that Phoenix would more relate to Keter than to Tiphereth as she is mentioned as Phoenix of the White "Crown" which is what Keter means, there's a page on the wikipedia site that tells a lot
Keter contains in essence and potential all the other spheres;indeed everything exists in Keter in its archetypical form
So Jean is of the Crown however her role in creation is that of tiphereth as stated in the comics. Heart and soul of the mystic tree of life and so creation.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Keter contains in essence and potential all the other spheres;indeed everything exists in Keter in its archetypical formSo Jean is of the Crown however her role in creation is that of tiphereth as stated in the comics. Heart and soul of the mystic tree of life and so creation.
Okay thanks, so compared to TOAA she is Tiphareth but in the Phoenix Hierarchy Keter?
Originally posted by Phoenix_Avatar9
Okay thanks, so compared to TOAA she is Tiphareth but in the Phoenix Hierarchy Keter?
Phoenix is of Keter so all its power is derived from the crown however its role in creation is that of tiphereth. The heart and soul of creation.
The path to Keter is through the human consciousness and remember phoenix is called Jeans ultimate potential as a psi. Also in New Xmen 154 Cassandra brought Jean to her senses by attacking her head as the power reaches its avatars through the crown chakra. So it all fits in.
Its just that because its religious ramblings that people dont want to listen but its not our fault the writers chose to base their concepts on such stuff 😛
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Phoenix is of Keter so all its power is derived from the crown however its role in creation is that of tiphereth. The heart and soul of creation.The path to Keter is through the human consciousness and remember phoenix is called Jeans ultimate potential as a psi. Also in New Xmen 154 Cassandra brought Jean to her senses by attacking her head as the power reaches its avatars through the crown chakra. So it all fits in.
Its just that because its religious ramblings that people dont want to listen but its not our fault the writers chose to base their concepts on such stuff 😛
Unsuprisingly I am familiar with these concepts.
I really just want to know where it says Phoenix has Gods power as Religions have a way of disagreeing in the real world as much as in Marvel. Phoenix simply is not gods power 🙂
Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
Unsuprisingly I am familiar with these concepts.I really just want to know where it says Phoenix has Gods power as Religions have a way of disagreeing in the real world as much as in Marvel. Phoenix simply is not gods power 🙂
I see i touched a nerve and forced you to respond to all the phoenix threads im involved with. Dont get stressed mate just a bit of fun. 🙁
I doubt you are actually familiar with the concepts based on past comments. I guess you've spent the last hour getting busy with google. 😉
Ive said all i need to say on the subject. Until you come up with a credible counter. I guess its a job for the good old cut and paste function:
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Keter means crown.It is the crown of creation,because it stays on top of creation without being part of it,as the crown over the head.Keter is the sphere that contains all that was, is,or will be.Keter includes All of Time,unifying All Change, All Time,and All Form in a singularity.It is Nothing and Everything,Beginning and Ending,Alpha and Omega.In it resides the foundation of time,infinite-finite, and light-darkness.It is the First Emanation,the point of absolute Unity without division.It is the Source of All,and the Highest Divine Essence that we can conceive.Every Sephirah is a gate, and Keter is the gate between the Unmanifest(God without form) and the world being accessible to human consciousness. Regarded as a level of consciousness, Keter represents union with God, the Completion of the Great Work, the end and aim of any mystical experience.To reach Keter is to be disintegrated,a dissolution that does not mean death,but rather union with the Ultimate Reality.The colour used to represent it is brilliant white,both to symbolize burning radiance and the union of all colors of the spectrum.All im going to say is Phoenix of the WHITE Crown(Keter)
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Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
No nerve touched, please just post the proof or your position everyone asks for 🙂If you can? 😄 Anything else is misdirection🙂
Ok old chap thats why you went to every phoenix thread i was involved with and posted. All that has been said so far stands to reason. You know what the Crown is, ive stated what issues show phoenixes power is derived from the crown, ive stated what issues refer to her as tiphereth and ive explained those terms to you. That is sufficient to any person querying for genuine reasons. To those who hate to lose its another matter entirely..... 😛
When you've checked out the appropriate comics come back to me and i'll welcome you into Team Phoenix 😉
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Ok old chap thats why you went to every phoenix thread i was involved with and posted. All that has been said so far stands to reason. You know what the Crown is, ive stated what issues show phoenixes power is derived from the crown, ive stated what issues refer to her as tiphereth and ive explained those terms to you. That is sufficient to any person querying for genuine reasons. To those who hate to lose its another matter entirely..... 😛When you've checked out the appropriate comics come back to me and i'll welcome you into Team Phoenix 😉
You have stated something, therefore the burden of proof is on you. You have to provide evidence for you position. You have to prove your point. Not me - Thats how debate works.
At the moment you have not done this 🙂
Originally posted by WhirlysplattCiting references is usually an acceptable form of showing proof.
You have stated something, therefore the burden of proof is on you. You have to provide evidence for you position. You have to prove your point. Not me - Thats how debate works.At the moment you have not done this 🙂
Since even in law you don't need to pull a folder and present before the judge certain presidents, you mearely have to cite them.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Citing references is usually an acceptable form of showing proof.Since even in law you don't need to pull a folder and present before the judge certain presidents, you mearely have to cite them.
citing references where you can quote something exactly is.
GS has said Phoenix is Gods power the references he has quoted do not show this imo. Certainly they do not irrefutably state this.
Therefore the burden of proof is on GS, if you reference something in a court of law etc you are expected to provide the book itself.
The burden in debates is exactly the same the document itself must be produced to support a reference.
So..........
Put up 🙂
Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
You have stated something, therefore the burden of proof is on you. You have to provide evidence for you position. You have to prove your point. Not me - Thats how debate works.At the moment you have not done this 🙂
Hey Whirly nice to hear from you again 😂
Ive stated issue numbers and references from said issues.
If i was writing a dissertation i could quote from a source and write where it came from and that is sufficent evidence. The appropriate board would then be responsible for checking up on my evidence. A debate on a comic book forum is hardly of the same calibre. You made queries i then seperated the evidence i explictly told you which quotes and what issues resolved them. Have a lil looksie then get back to me.
Until then i must withhold your application forms.
Hurry up gramps membership to team Phoenix awaits!!!
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Hey Whirly nice to hear from you again 😂Ive stated issue numbers and references from said issues.
If i was writing a dissertation i could quote from a source and write where it came from and that is sufficent evidence. The appropriate board would then be responsible for checking up on my evidence. A debate on a comic book forum is hardly of the same calibre. You made queries i then seperated the evidence i explictly told you which quotes and what issues resolved them. Have a lil looksie then get back to me.
Until then i must withhold your application forms.
Hurry up gramps membership to team Phoenix awaits!!!
No you have provided no proof at all, you have stated a position based on your interpretation thats not the same as independant evidence. 🙂
Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
No you have provided no proof at all, you have stated a position based on your interpretation thats not the same as independant evidence. 🙂
Nope i have quoted from and referred to events from the comic books and stated what sources those quotes came from. That is sufficient.
You know i dont have a scanner so you know i cant really do anything hence this stance.
Ohhh the bitterness its palpable across the internet 😱
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Nope i have quoted from and referred to events from the comic books and stated what sources those quotes came from. That is sufficient.You know i dont have a scanner so you know i cant really do anything hence this stance.
Ohhh the bitterness its palpable across the internet 😱
Based on your interpretation, you have proven nothing, its not really even about a scan, with any story unless its stated its interpretation. Your interpretaion is not the same as all others on this forum, that means yours is not the definitive position. Its not about me being right or you being wrong its the debate, your position is based on supposition🙂