^ Diana would definitely break through Invisible Woman's shields. Whether Diana could avoid having a bubble expand in her lungs/brain/heart before that happens is a different matter.
I suppose Wonderwoman could whiz around at superspeed so that Invisible Woman wouldn't be able to pinpoint her location for that maneuver, but considering that Diana only has common knowledge of her foes, I'm not sure she would engage in such maneuvers preemptively. It would be random chance.
Then again, Invisible Woman doesn't always resort to the whole expand a bubble in a person thing. In fact, she usually only threatens to do so. She's more likely to either create a field around herself and her team and/or try to trap Wonderwoman in a bubble. And whether she'd have enough foresight to make it an extremely durable field/bubble is up in the air as well. Because when that thing shatters, she gets knocked for a loop.
Hmmm... not sure where to go on this one.
Without prep WW wins without speedblitz
How I see this fight playing out
Ben would be the first to charge her, she swings at him sending him in orbit
Next Johnny says something smart and fire blast her, WW turns around with a pissed off look, flys up to him and snapps his neck
After that Reed expands himself like a blanet and tries to cover and squeeze her, WW jumps and fly into space with him wrapped around her. He gets to space and looses conscienceness and she leave him there
Sue would be a problem at first but WW would be able to sense where she is by either hearing her or sensing the changes in air pressure
WW would eventually get a hold of her and KO her
Originally posted by spawnwestWonderwoman would not snap Human Torch's neck, but she would probably make short work of him unless Johnny knew to release a supernova blast. Which he probably wouldn't.
Without prep WW wins without speedblitzHow I see this fight playing out
Ben would be the first to charge her, she swings at him sending him in orbit
Next Johnny says something smart and fire blast her, WW turns around with a pissed off look, flys up to him and snapps his neck
After that Reed expands himself like a blanet and tries to cover and squeeze her, WW jumps and fly into space with him wrapped around her. He gets to space and looses conscienceness and she leave him there
Sue would be a problem at first but WW would be able to sense where she is by either hearing her or sensing the changes in air pressure
WW would eventually get a hold of her and KO her
Wonderwoman would be self-BFR'ing herself if she took Reed to space according to the rules. She'd have to find another way to take care of him.
While I don't dispute that Wonderwoman could find Sue very quickly if she did go invisible, I'm pretty sure Sue would shield herself first. She almost always goes for shields over pure invisibility against a foe in a group fight. And I guess that's because she doesn't want her teammates being confused as to her location during any given fight.
^ If she dodged a supernova blast, it wouldn't do much to her, yes. but I don't she could take it without getting hurt. IIRC, even Hippolyta in her armor was burning up from orbit's reentry and the flames from the big ship that was crashing onto the Greek island.
Wondy could tie Reed into knots given an opportunity.
Do Wonderwoman's bracelets create a complete forcefield around her entire body when crossed? I forget. Am thinking about this in the context of an all-encompassing supernova blast.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ If she dodged a supernova blast, it wouldn't do much to her, yes. but I don't she could take it without getting hurt. IIRC, even Hippolyta in her armor was burning up from orbit's reentry and the flames from the big ship that was crashing onto the Greek island.Wondy could tie Reed into knots given an opportunity.
Do Wonderwoman's bracelets create a complete forcefield around her entire body when crossed? I forget. Am thinking about this in the context of an all-encompassing supernova blast.
Diana did survive re-entry with no problem when Clark punched her back to Earth. I don't know if that matters though . . .
When crossed, the bracelets do provide her with 100% protection from such attacks.
As others have said, IW is Diana's most serious problem in this fight. I still think she takes it if the team isn't given prep. The bubble in the brain tactic . . . would that work on her? Even if it does, I don't think Sue would go for that right off the top and once Diana is in full speed it may be hard for her to lock on. Invisibility would not be a problem at all for Diana. She would detect Sue's position from changes in the air pressure and her other enhanced senses.
Would be interesting to see how these 2 would deal with each other. I think Diana's speed & experience/training make the difference though, not to mention Sue's shield wouldn't protect her for long.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ If she dodged a supernova blast, it wouldn't do much to her, yes. but I don't she could take it without getting hurt. IIRC, even Hippolyta in her armor was burning up from orbit's reentry and the flames from the big ship that was crashing onto the Greek island.Wondy could tie Reed into knots given an opportunity.
Do Wonderwoman's bracelets create a complete forcefield around her entire body when crossed? I forget. Am thinking about this in the context of an all-encompassing supernova blast.
Re: Wonder Woman (Diana) vs Fantastic Four (Reed, Sue, Johnny and Ben), who wins?
Originally posted by spidermonkey
Wonder Woman (Diana) vs Fantastic Four (Reed, Sue, Johnny and Ben), who wins?
With no qualifiers, Wonder Woman destroys them. Speed blitz on Sue and pretty much all of them. Sue is really the only one she needs to speedblitz just on the chance Sue could do something if she got a chance.
Now if Reed had prep time and gadgets...
Originally posted by SasaraixxIt shows she can take heat, that's never been an issue. But can she take extreme heat? Superman's heat vision did burn through her skin.
Diana did survive re-entry with no problem when Clark punched her back to Earth. I don't know if that matters though . . .When crossed, the bracelets do provide her with 100% protection from such attacks.
As others have said, IW is Diana's most serious problem in this fight. I still think she takes it if the team isn't given prep. The bubble in the brain tactic . . . would that work on her? Even if it does, I don't think Sue would go for that right off the top and once Diana is in full speed it may be hard for her to lock on. Invisibility would not be a problem at all for Diana. She would detect Sue's position from changes in the air pressure and her other enhanced senses.
Would be interesting to see how these 2 would deal with each other. I think Diana's speed & experience/training make the difference though, not to mention Sue's shield wouldn't protect her for long.
Even an omni-blast? If you happen to have a scan available, I'd like to see it.
I think the difference is that Sue has demonstrated the ability to create multiple forcefields, so she could keep a protective forcefield up and open another one inside a person's body. And I think the rule is, characters with forcefields have them up at the start of the battle. So whether Wonderwoman could bash through her forcefield, something I'm not even sure is common knowledge for her (so she may end up trying to speedblitz and unexpectedly run into an invisible forcefield ), before Sue could open a bubble is a key component to this fight.
Originally posted by Kutulu
WW stomps unless FF4 has 10 minutes prep+Initially Sue will know she's coming and have her forcefield up based upon Arena rules, but Sue's shield won't hold for long and WW can decapitate Reed Richards with her tiara once she realizes he's virtually immune to blunt force. Speed blitz, once Sue's shield goes down they get stomped.
WW 9/10.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Was wrong. Vs Rules state that unless the characters are usually shielded (I assume like GLs and Dr. Doom and such), characters do not get to raise their shields before a match starts. Never mind.
And I think the rule is, characters with forcefields have them up at the start of the battle. So whether Wonderwoman could bash through her forcefield, something I'm not even sure is common knowledge for her (so she may end up trying to speedblitz and unexpectedly run into an invisible forcefield ), before Sue could open a bubble is a key component to this fight.
Originally posted by tkitna
FF4(God, here comes all the Speedblitz garbage.)
And why wouldn't it be a viable tactic here? Thats Sue and Johnny down EXTRA FAST! It's not garbage at all. Full capacity, if it's within her powerset to Blitz, then she does here.
Reed and Ben grimm vs WW - I think WW takes it.
Without Speed blitzing Diana will not take a single win away from IW. I doubt WW can break through her shield. Yes they have had low showing but her powers has very high should such as hurting a celestial.
IMO While she is dealing with Ben, Reed and Johnny, should would already be invisible and with a ever shrinking bubble or a expanding one in her. Everyone but her might die but that would be a way for FF to win.
Originally posted by Lord Feron
Without Speed blitzing Diana will not take a single win away from IW. I doubt WW can break through her shield. Yes they have had low showing but her powers has very high should such as hurting a celestial.IMO While she is dealing with Ben, Reed and Johnny, should would already be invisible and with a ever shrinking bubble or a expanding one in her. Everyone but her might die but that would be a way for FF to win.
Wonder Woman can certainly break her shields. Much like Thor, Hulk and even Luke Cage has. The only reason that particular Celestial was hurt was because it was specifically vulnerable to the energy of Sue's forcefield. A couple of punches from near-Superman strength would shatter her shields and induce a massive psychic backlash that would leave her open to attack.
Also, her lasso can dispel forcefields.
Invisibility won't work against Diana since she can see the 'truth'. Meaning Sue will still be visible to her. How do you think Diana can use the Invisible Plane? She can SEE it that's why.