Wonder Woman vs Fantastic Four

Originally posted by Draco69
WW is simply too fast. Imagine a punch from WW at normal speed.

Now imagine a punch from Diana at speeds faster than sound.

Same physics as a speeding car.

It would take a few hits at the most to break her shields.

Or just dispel it with her lasso if she wants to be cheap.

Um, no. The plot revolved around the seemlingly unstoppable Celestial having a convienent weakness to Sue's forcefield.

It's like Batman suddenly having a Kryptonite ring.

Doesn't mean he's capable of beating Superman.

Nor does it make it an admissiable feat for him either.

The only way the FF can win if neither is fighting their best.

If they're fighting their best, they die and rather quickly.

Ben gets sent to orbit.

Johnny gets one-shotted.

And Reed gets turned into goo.

Leaving Sue to be the last one standing. And she'll fall rather quickly too.

Her forcefields simply can't withstand her strength much less her strength with superspeed behind it.

And she can't track a person whizzing all over the place at speeds approaching light.

Sue's screwed. And that's if Diana decides not to use any of her toyes either.

Wrong. The Invisible Plane isn't really a plane it's a sentinent alien being from the Ring. Imagine living, invisible, GL plasma.

The ONLY reason it was given to her was because she could SEE it when no one else could.

Because she can see 'truth'. She see behind illusions, mirages or invisibility. Making Sue's invisibility useless because she'll see her as bright as day.

One consistantly invisible foe she fights is Trinity.

It's never been explained 'how' it dispels forcefields other than it 'burns' it away.

It's been recently seen dispelling GL's forcefields.

Sue simply can't handle Diana for the same reason she couldn't handle Superman, Captain Marvel or Black Adam. She's on a whole 'nother league.

And how would the other 3 hurt her? The only one who can possibly do any damage is the Human Torch. And that's a big maybe since she's survived the Sun....

And I haven't brought up the lasso's new ability to soul-dump which would end the battle instantly.

I really have to see the nature of how the lasso works to dispel IW Shields. Also What can stopping her from using her sheilds to move the lasso away and creating new sheilds around her?
About the GL that is interesting but the way both shields are made are different but that is very interesting that is can do that.

Your comparison of Batman Having a ring and IW using her own power to achieve something is totally different. She has exhibited on a large scale. She has ripped open Watcher enforced sheilds. (context she was controlled but it just displays the extent of her powers: I try and give context things not misrepresent anything oppose to some ppl here not u).

WW might be able to withstand a super nova. She will be weakened. I am unsure if she can block it because I seen her take a bomb (or some kind of hyper drive explosion to the face) She walked out but she didn't block it which was odd. Super nova much greater than that bomb and what shape was she in after the sun? I'm sure she was hurt.

Reed has incredible durability and I wouldn't be surprised that WW won't be able to damage him too much.

IW can also go on the offensive. while she is defending herself.

Thanks for explaining the Alien ship and the Trinity person I will try and look that person up.

Soul dump??

I still believe with teamwork the team can get many wins.

Originally posted by Sasaraixx
No.

You need to show me IW beating someone with WW's speed AND strength. That feat, while impressive, doesn't shed light onto this fight because none of those guys/gals have anything close to Diana's speed. They also don't have her training, experience, knowledge, weapons, etc.

It does not matter that it was a controlled environment. You claim that Diana is hampered because she won't be able to see IW. Putting aside the fact that she will probably be able to see her anyway, I've shown you that Diana doesn't need to see to fight her enemies. Remember when she blinded herself to fight Medusa?

And again, you need to show me how Sue does anything to Diana given her speed. Long enough to kill her? How long do you think it will take Diana to land a few blows on that force field. If you you've counted above a couple seconds, then you've gone too far.

With her speed and no prep for the FF, I do not see how they win. You've got to show me how IW counteracts Diana's considerable speed advantage. The other 3 don't stand a chance.

I believe IW would be able to put up sheilds around herself (atleast maybe not the whole team) before WW can land a hit.

Yes I think it will take much longer than a few seconds like you suggest. Human torch can also dehydrate while WW is trying to breach the sheilds. That is something WW can not block.

Originally posted by Lord Feron
I really have to see the nature of how the lasso works to dispel IW Shields. Also What can stopping her from using her sheilds to move the lasso away and creating new sheilds around her?
About the GL that is interesting but the way both shields are made are different but that is very interesting that is can do that.

Your comparison of Batman Having a ring and IW using her own power to achieve something is totally different. She has exhibited on a large scale. She has ripped open Watcher enforced sheilds. (context she was controlled but it just displays the extent of her powers: I try and give context things not misrepresent anything oppose to some ppl here not u).

WW might be able to withstand a super nova. She will be weakened. I am unsure if she can block it because I seen her take a bomb (or some kind of hyper drive explosion to the face) She walked out but she didn't block it which was odd. Super nova much greater than that bomb and what shape was she in after the sun? I'm sure she was hurt.

Reed has incredible durability and I wouldn't be surprised that WW won't be able to damage him too much.

IW can also go on the offensive. while she is defending herself.

Thanks for explaining the Alien ship and the Trinity person I will try and look that person up.

Soul dump??

I still believe with teamwork the team can get many wins.

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Originally posted by Lord Feron
I believe IW would be able to put up sheilds around herself (atleast maybe not the whole team) before WW can land a hit.

Yes I think it will take much longer than a few seconds like you suggest. Human torch can also dehydrate while WW is trying to breach the sheilds. That is something WW can not block.

Originally posted by fangirl101
sue will not be able to throw a shield before wondy can land a hit. Sue has to think. Diana will act on instunct and make the first and smartest move. Take sue out. Andhow is jonny going to dehydrate her when being in space didn't freeze her and fighting Superma near the sun's surface didnt affect her either?

Diana has to think to and it's not instinct deciding who to fight and when. Instinct is a inborn behavior. Fighting against the team and deciding to strike at IW 1st for some reason is not instinct. They both think I believe IW can throw up sheilds before WW can identify the locations of her opponents and see what is up and cover the distance and throw a punch. She is fast but I think IW would be able to put up sheilds faster. I do agree with her being intelligent fighter but still not instinct.

Dehydration is different from intense heat. I forget exactly how he did it. But it's not the your durability that is being tested it something else. I have to see if I can get that scan where he did that. Human Torch can also create a small army to gang up on WW and atleast distract her.

I really hate to bring science into things but here we go. (comics almost never follow real science) The surface of the sun is around 360,000 F degrees in the outer most atmospheric layer of the Sun(corona). I have never seen the WW and supes fight "near" the sun. But thats pretty hot. Human Torch can casually shoot of fire at a million degrees. If he tries he can do 10 million. Much hotter than being near or on the surface of the sun. This is not even his super nova capabilities.

Originally posted by Lord Feron
Diana has to think to and it's not instinct deciding who to fight and when. Instinct is a inborn behavior. Fighting against the team and deciding to strike at IW 1st for some reason is not instinct. They both think I believe IW can throw up sheilds before WW can identify the locations of her opponents and see what is up and cover the distance and throw a punch. She is fast but I think IW would be able to put up sheilds faster. I do agree with her being intelligent fighter but still not instinct.

Dehydration is different from intense heat. I forget exactly how he did it. But it's not the your durability that is being tested it something else. I have to see if I can get that scan where he did that. Human Torch can also create a small army to gang up on WW and atleast distract her.

I really hate to bring science into things but here we go. (comics almost never follow real science) The surface of the sun is around 360,000 F degrees in the outer most atmospheric layer of the Sun(corona). I have never seen the WW and supes fight "near" the sun. But thats pretty hot. Human Torch can casually shoot of fire at a million degrees. If he tries he can do 10 million. Much hotter than being near or on the surface of the sun. This is not even his super nova capabilities.

Originally posted by fangirl101
I hate to do this to you. But you first gotta prove that anyone on the team can hit someone as fast and agile as diana. Then after u prove they can even hit her then prove how they r gonna fight her and her plane which is standard gear. Then show how torch is gonna get theu her shields before she snaps his neck.

Man if my boss knew how much time I spent on KMC.... 🙄

Anyway.. check this out!

Glads IMO is superior to WW in ever possible away except for h2h technique.

She was able to contain him for a time. He was punching ferociously. In the same scan Susan said she held the hulk. I mean he is slower but much stronger. Anyway back to Glads. would be doing alot of what WW would do but not be as successful.

I can't prove that she can hit her because not alot of people can see the invisible. As for her speed, it is no auto win for her.

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Another show of strength is Namor and Black Bolt both hit the same shield at the same time but nothing happens due. I know it's only once but a double wammy from those guys could do much damage to most anyone

Not sure if the last one is gonna work (link wise)
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Just shows that she is capable of.

So how its gonna go down. While WW is trying to kill her team, she will encase WW, will sufficate her, blind her, and just mess her up.

Lastly wait, the plane is going to be in this fight to? WTF. If thats true Reed gets to bring toys to!

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wow totall messed that up...

this is teh glads pic

and the BB and Namor

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
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sorry i'm, kinda testing out posting scans in this thread. 😮

If anyone has read my discussions I never post scans. These arent even my scans either 🙁

Originally posted by Lord Feron
I believe IW would be able to put up sheilds around herself (atleast maybe not the whole team) before WW can land a hit.

Yes I think it will take much longer than a few seconds like you suggest. Human torch can also dehydrate while WW is trying to breach the sheilds. That is something WW can not block.

I'm sorry but your argument failed entirely with that first sentence. WW moves faster than Sue can think, yet she will be able to shield the whole team before Diana moves? I don't think so.

Also, show the rest of the Gladiator scan. What was Gladiator doing BEFORE she caught him in the bubble. Also, It looked to me that 1. Gladiator was going to burst out of that thing in any second, and 2. it was taking all of Sue's energy/concentration to contain him, i.e. not allowing her to do anything else as you claimed she would against Diana. Gladiator may be stronger but he won't her Diana's lasso, which will break through the shield, not to mention that WW will probably be able to see IW anyway. Also, was Gladiator *using* his speed when she caught him? If not, the scan is irrelevant.

Originally posted by Sasaraixx
I'm sorry but your argument failed entirely with that first sentence. WW moves faster than Sue can think, yet she will be able to shield the whole team before Diana moves? I don't think so.

Also, show the rest of the Gladiator scan. What was Gladiator doing BEFORE she caught him in the bubble. Also, It looked to me that 1. Gladiator was going to burst out of that thing in any second, and 2. it was taking all of Sue's energy/concentration to contain him, i.e. not allowing her to do anything else as you claimed she would against Diana. Gladiator may be stronger but he won't her Diana's lasso, which will break through the shield, not to mention that WW will probably be able to see IW anyway. Also, was Gladiator *using* his speed when she caught him? If not, the scan is irrelevant.

not so much.... People forget The people who can move super fast have to think about what their doing to. the fight is not pre-scripted. So I hate when "oh hit her before she thinks!" Since their both starting at the same time; the real question is can diana cover the distance and kill IW before you obviously believe so. I do know share your sentiments.

Glads was manhandling Mr. Fantastic. You show it!

Glads is far Far stronger than WW. Not even a contest. WW would not fair as well. She would be contained longer. IW doesn't have to be doing something else, i'm saying she could. HT can handle the rest with the powers i aforementioned.

How will the lasso work? She rubs it against the wall????
She is already inside the bubble?

It's not irrevelent because it still shows IW can encase someone far stronger than WW he was punching with vigor and I would believe that Glads would have used super speed punches to get out.

Be more respectful when debating or you go on the ignore list.

You are also not so much fun as the others.
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Originally posted by Sasaraixx
, not to mention that WW will probably be able to see IW anyway.

How will WW see Sue, if she's invisible? You'll be saying she has a Spidersense next.

Originally posted by Lord Feron
not so much.... People forget The people who can move super fast have to think about what their doing to. the fight is not pre-scripted. So I hate when "oh hit her before she thinks!" Since their both starting at the same time; the real question is can diana cover the distance and kill IW before you obviously believe so. I do know share your sentiments.

Glads was manhandling Mr. Fantastic. You show it!

Glads is far Far stronger than WW. Not even a contest. WW would not fair as well. She would be contained longer. IW doesn't have to be doing something else, i'm saying she could. HT can handle the rest with the powers i aforementioned.

How will the lasso work? She rubs it against the wall????
She is already inside the bubble?

It's not irrevelent because it still shows IW can encase someone far stronger than WW he was punching with vigor and I would believe that Glads would have used super speed punches to get out.

Be more respectful when debating or you go on the ignore list.

You are also not so much fun as the others.
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And He was man handling mr. Fantastic. Well, then, that means he was paying no attention to sue. Which means he didn't evade her at all. Something that won't happen to Wondy.

Oh and Wondy's Plane which is part of her standard gear as it's not really a vehicle, kills IW before she can react. It did Pwn a Demon lord and Power girl.

Originally posted by BUSTER1
How will WW see Sue, if she's invisible? You'll be saying she has a Spidersense next.

Originally posted by fangirl101
I laughed at your post. Sorry. Forgive me. Glads is far Stronger than Wondy? Lulz. She's been shown as the equal of CM. Glads has had a hard time With Colossus. So do you think Colossus is a planet wrecker? I'd say that brings down Glad's average quite a bit.

And He was man handling mr. Fantastic. Well, then, that means he was paying no attention to sue. Which means he didn't evade her at all. Something that won't happen to Wondy.

Oh and Wondy's Plane which is part of her standard gear as it's not really a vehicle, kills IW before she can react. It did Pwn a Demon lord and Power girl.

How does this plane work-any scans??

Originally posted by fangirl101
I laughed at your post. Sorry. Forgive me. Glads is far Stronger than Wondy? Lulz. She's been shown as the equal of CM. Glads has had a hard time With Colossus. So do you think Colossus is a planet wrecker? I'd say that brings down Glad's average quite a bit.

And He was man handling mr. Fantastic. Well, then, that means he was paying no attention to sue. Which means he didn't evade her at all. Something that won't happen to Wondy.

Oh and Wondy's Plane which is part of her standard gear as it's not really a vehicle, kills IW before she can react. It did Pwn a Demon lord and Power girl.

Laugh as much as you want, hopefully you laugh right out of your delusions that WW has a chance in hell against Glads. Way to use his lowest showing as abases for all his feats. I know your a big WW fan so I'm not going to try and argue that Glad is far stronger than WW. You can make a new thread for that if you so wish. IMO Glads can snap WW neck with incredible ease.

WW would be preoccupied with Mr. Fantastic just as WW would be but WW would have a harder time. And yes it will happen to her.

Plane is not standard. Batman's Belt that standard, Terrax's Axe that Standard, GL ring that standard, A plane which she really doesn't use that often is not standard.

Originally posted by fangirl101
When was the last time you read a wondy comic? She doesn't even need to see at all to fight. Plus invisibility means nothing to her as she has the Eyes of the Goddess.

she does have some special sight. But if you assume that WW can handle IW without the sight of Truth or goddess sight then your mistaken. She will not be able to sense constructs being made all around her out of this air or around her neck or in her body.

Lets not forget- that 1st fight against Glads(FF #249) was before Sue discovered how to use her forcefields as effective offensive weapons