Wonder Woman vs Fantastic Four

Originally posted by Sasaraixx
Lord Feron, I am not going to even bother quoting you this time. You haven't dealt with any of my arguments and crying about me being mean isn't helping.

I am not hopping from idea to idea. I'm responding to each of your claims in turn. If they sound ridiculous it's because your original statement was lol.

The bottom line is Diana is too fast. Period. You can't find scans showing what I asked then I will continue to assume that she moves too fast for IW to even get a lock on her. Without prep, this is spite. If they all have common knowledge about each other, you can bet Diana goes after IW first. And in case you've forgotten, in these battle we assume characters are fighting at their best, using all of their abilities. Even if Diana normally doesn't blitz her opponents in comics, it doesn't mean she's not capable of doing so.

The other 3 are a nonfactor in this fight. The only one would could really hurt Diana is IW, but that is assuming she can even get anything going. Without showing she can handle her speed, you can't argue that she can actually win.

Fangirl has more patience than I do. Debating with you is exasperating.

Crying... i see.

I try to be nice, I try to have a civil debate but instead you trip over your pride and strike back in defense of nothing.

Because instance never happened you want to assume that it can work? Great!!!!! Flawless logic my friend keep it up!

Fine lets play this silly game: Prove to me that WW would be faster than a person that can make invisible shields. Faster in a way that in mid formation of a construct of a shield she was able to dodge it. This person mush have the ability to instantly make it like IW. Not only invisible sheilds but is able to create them anywhere.

It's like "Oh man Batman never been shown to have trouble getting out of teh Speed force... so I guess batman would have no problem getting out?"

WW can fight to her best so can the FF.

I disagree with you the the other three are non-factors. But they ARE!! WHOA!!😄

Only exasperating when your fanaticism collides with your bias and you can't acknowledge anything anyone says except your own words. Fangirl just knows better than you, I disagree with her 90% of the time anyway but she amuses me. You do not. 😄

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
In all of your opinions, is Invisible Woman being the most powerful and dangerous of the group common knowledge for a DC character like Wonderwoman? In relation to that, do you believe that Wonderwoman really attack her first before human Torch or Thing? Also:
Doesn't this have to do with the fact that the Lasso is yellow?

yea! what he said 😛

Originally posted by Lord Feron
Crying... i see.

I try to be nice, I try to have a civil debate but instead you trip over your pride and strike back in defense of nothing.

Because instance never happened you want to assume that it can work? Great!!!!! Flawless logic my friend keep it up!

Fine lets play this silly game: Prove to me that WW would be faster than a person that can make invisible shields. Faster in a way that in mid formation of a construct of a shield she was able to dodge it. This person mush have the ability to instantly make it like IW. Not only invisible sheilds but is able to create them anywhere.

It's like "Oh man Batman never been shown to have trouble getting out of teh Speed force... so I guess batman would have no problem getting out?"

WW can fight to her best so can the FF.

I disagree with you the the other three are non-factors. But they ARE!! WHOA!!😄

Only exasperating when your fanaticism collides with your bias and you can't acknowledge anything anyone says except your own words. Fangirl just knows better than you, I disagree with her 90% of the time anyway but she amuses me. You do not. 😄

Please, you weren't trying to be nice. Going on and on "I don't like you." lol I really don't care.

No, there is a huge difference. Batman has never been shown having trouble getting out of the speed force because he can't enter it! Please stop sounding so desperate.

And I love how you're trying to turn this around and ask a new (and silly question) because you are unable to back up your points. WW hasn't encountered enemies who make invisible fields (Draco or Fangirl correct me if I am wrong). The individual powerset is not what is important. It is how fast the person can move, react and think. WW move faster than the speed of sound and has arguably FTL reflexes. IW cannot match that. Period. I don't have any scans of Superman moving before someone put up an invisible force field, but I would bet you any amount of money that he would.

You just seem incapable of comprehending what speed means in this battle. Until you can, there is no point in talking to you. You are in the clear minority in this thread. Have you ever stopped to ask yourself why?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
In all of your opinions, is Invisible Woman being the most powerful and dangerous of the group common knowledge for a DC character like Wonderwoman? In relation to that, do you believe that Wonderwoman really attack her first before human Torch or Thing? Also:
Doesn't this have to do with the fact that the Lasso is yellow?

^ Rrrrright... I think I'll reserve judgment on a scan of a yellow lasso ripping apart a Green Lantern shield that would suffer from yellow weakness... until I read the comic. Issue # please?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
In all of your opinions, is Invisible Woman being the most powerful and dangerous of the group common knowledge for a DC character like Wonderwoman? In relation to that, do you believe that Wonderwoman really attack her first before human Torch or Thing? Also:
Doesn't this have to do with the fact that the Lasso is yellow?

By common knowledge, I meant that I assume they have a general idea of what their opponents are capable. Given that Diana is a tactial expert and quite intelligent, I think she would know that Sue presents more unique challenges than the others. HT and Thing aren't that much different from anyone she's encountered before.

As for the lasso scan, it was just an example of how the lasso can be used as a weapon. She's also broken a GL construct without it, so it's not the yellow aspect that allowed her to perform the feat.

http://www.picamatic.com/view/1228259_scan0035/

Originally posted by Lord Feron
yea! what he said 😛

And do not try to piggy-back off of someone who actually posted an intelligent thought. lol

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Rrrrright... I think I'll reserve judgment on a scan of a yellow lasso ripping apart a Green Lantern shield that would suffer from yellow weakness... until I read the comic. Issue # please?

Originally posted by Sasaraixx
By common knowledge, I meant that I assume they have a general idea of what their opponents are capable. Given that Diana is a tactial expert and quite intelligent, I think she would know that Sue presents more unique challenges than the others. HT and Thing aren't that much different from anyone she's encountered before.

Originally posted by Sasaraixx
As for the lasso scan, it was just an example of how the lasso can be used as a weapon. She's also broken a GL construct without it, so it's not the yellow aspect that allowed her to perform the feat.

http://www.picamatic.com/view/1228259_scan0035/

Originally posted by Badabing
Umm, that weakness only exists for GL rookies....

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Their general idea is based on what the general population of their home world knows though. The general world knows mr Fantastic is smart and can stretch, that Human Torch is all flamy and that Thing is strong and rocky. I don't think that he ordinary Marvel citizen would know that Invisible Woman can create invisible force-shields of great durability and in all shapes and sizes and control whether they expand or not.
Issue # please? I think I'll read it for myself. This wouldn't be the first time people have miscontrued scans. Trust me. It's happened to me a lot. And I know Wonderwoman can break GL shields by slamming their own constructs against each other. She could probably do it with the strength of her punches. But I don't think she could simply whip her Lasso at a shield and have it crumble so easily. It doesn't look right.
Does that look like a GL vet to you? I don't even know what GL that is. And the weakness applies to anybody that hasn't trained to embrace fear and overcome their fear through pure willpower. That necessarily includes rookies, but it would include anybody else who either doesn't know about it or just doesn't have enough experience post-Rebirth to handle it yet.

So the general population doesn't know that IW can turn herself and others invisible and can create force-fields? That's pretty standard imo.

Don't have the issue #. She didn't whip the lasso (although she can use it like a whip). She used it kind of like a brass knuckle to aid her in her punch.

Originally posted by Sasaraixx
So the general population doesn't know that IW can turn herself and others invisible and can create force-fields? That's pretty standard imo.

Don't have the issue #. She didn't whip the lasso (although she can use it like a whip). She used it kind of like a brass knuckle to aid her in her punch.

Ok... still seems off to me. And punching with it is not dispositive that it being yellow had something to do with how the GL shield shattered so easily. But like I said, I'll reserve judgment until I read the comic.

Originally posted by Badabing
Umm, that weakness only exists for GL rookies....

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
That's not what i said. I'm pretty sure they know she can turn people invisible, I never doubted that. You can tell that just by her name. But do they know that it's a function of an invisible forcefield? Or that those shields are extraordinarily durable? Or that she can create forcefields of all shapes and sizes... even inside people? I know the heroes and villains know this. But the general populace?

Ok... still seems off to me. And punching with it is not dispositive that it being yellow had something to do with how the GL shield shattered so easily. But like I said, I'll reserve judgment until I read the comic.

I think the invisibility and the forcefield alone is enough to make Diana target her. I don't think she has to know exactly how strong those fields are. From a tactical standpoint, Sue brings more to the team by way of aiding them. If this battle had even 5 minutes of prep, Reed would be Priority #1 without question. But just knowing (and this assume Diana can't see the fields and i'm holding judgment on that) that IW could run tactical interference would be enough to want to remove her first. I don't think Diana has to know how lethal Sue is for her to deal with her first.

Also, she did rip off that other constructs arm before she used it to stab the thing. As you said, I think she more than capable of breaking the construct without the aid of the lasso. (We're not talking about Hal here.) I just mentioned it as another possibility. The lasso is capable of so many things. There are others much more knowledge than me about all things GL who I'm sure can comment on the yellow weakness there.

I think she'd go after Johnny, the women can't resist him.

Originally posted by Mindset
I think she'd go after Johnny, the women can't resist him.

I really doubt he's her type 😛

Originally posted by Sasaraixx
I think the invisibility and the forcefield alone is enough to make Diana target her. I don't think she has to know exactly how strong those fields are. From a tactical standpoint, Sue brings more to the team by way of aiding them. If this battle had even 5 minutes of prep, Reed would be Priority #1 without question. But just knowing (and this assume Diana can't see the fields and i'm holding judgment on that) that IW could run tactical interference would be enough to want to remove her first. I don't think Diana has to know how lethal Sue is for her to deal with her first.

Originally posted by Sasaraixx
Also, she did rip off that other constructs arm before she used it to stab the thing. As you said, I think she more than capable of breaking the construct without the aid of the lasso. (We're not talking about Hal here.) I just mentioned it as another possibility. The lasso is capable of so many things. There are others much more knowledge than me about all things GL who I'm sure can comment on the yellow weakness there.

You're assuming IW can actually stop Wondy with a field.

Wondy's got a crazy healing factor when she needs it, gift of Gaea.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
You're assuming IW can actually stop Wondy with a field.

Wondy's got a crazy healing factor when she needs it, gift of Gaea.

Originally posted by Sasaraixx
I really doubt he's her type 😛

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Stop as in defeat? Haven't said anything about that yet. I know her forcefields have historically held up and can trap analagous characters like Gladiator. And it's arguable that Gladiator is both stronger and faster than Wonderwoman. And in terms of insane healing factors you only need to look at what happened to Wolverine. But it's not like the FF have to kill Wonderwoman. That's not their nature. They only have to knock her out. And Diana's durability decides whether she gets knocked out, not her healing factor.

The scan you are using for proof that it can hold Gladiator, IW even says he's about to break out and the feedback is becoming too much. 😛 Not to mention, it's been busted by less.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
The scan you are using for proof that it can hold Gladiator, IW even says he's about to break out and the feedback is becoming too much. 😛 Not to mention, it's been busted by less.