Wonder Woman vs Fantastic Four

Started by fangirl10116 pages

Originally posted by Lord Feron
Laugh as much as you want, hopefully you laugh right out of your delusions that WW has a chance in hell against Glads. Way to use his lowest showing as abases for all his feats. I know your a big WW fan so I'm not going to try and argue that Glad is far stronger than WW. You can make a new thread for that if you so wish. IMO Glads can snap WW neck with incredible ease.

WW would be preoccupied with Mr. Fantastic just as WW would be but WW would have a harder time. And yes it will happen to her.

Plane is not standard. Batman's Belt that standard, Terrax's Axe that Standard, GL ring that standard, A plane which she really doesn't use that often is not standard.

so u mean glads can do what an 80 times light speed punch from sun amped superman can not? lulz. and yes the plane is actually a disc that she carries behind her belt. lulz. i knew u didnt know that.

Originally posted by Lord Feron
not so much.... People forget The people who can move super fast have to think about what their doing to. the fight is not pre-scripted. So I hate when "oh hit her before she thinks!" Since their both starting at the same time; the real question is can diana cover the distance and kill IW before you obviously believe so. I do know share your sentiments.

Glads was manhandling Mr. Fantastic. You show it!

Glads is far Far stronger than WW. Not even a contest. WW would not fair as well. She would be contained longer. IW doesn't have to be doing something else, i'm saying she could. HT can handle the rest with the powers i aforementioned.

How will the lasso work? She rubs it against the wall????
She is already inside the bubble?

It's not irrevelent because it still shows IW can encase someone far stronger than WW he was punching with vigor and I would believe that Glads would have used super speed punches to get out.

Be more respectful when debating or you go on the ignore list.

You are also not so much fun as the others.
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I take it that I am not as much fun as the others because I pick out the holes in your argument and expose them. I really don't care if you ignore me, but just know that you have not satisfactorily answered any of my questions. And I haven't been anything but respectful to you, but that does not mean that I will not question your logic.

Fallacy #1 - Not only does Diana move that fast, but she thinks that fast as well. What good would that speed be if she couldn't think fast enough to control her actions.

Fallacy #2 If Gladiator was busy fighting Mr. Fantastic then that means he was paying no attention to Sue, nor was he aware of what she was doing. You have not show that IW would have been able to handle Glads if he had been moving at full speed. I would also argue that this is probably a low showing for him because I seriously doubt that someone of his strength would have trouble bursting through that shield. Also, you Glads is far stronger comment also doesn't sit well. He may be stronger, but not so much so that WW would not be able to break through her shield.

Fallacy #3 Cover the distance in time? How far apart do you think they are starting? And do you know exactly how fast Diana can moe? I think the answer to the latter question is no judging by the silliness of that statement.

Fallacy #4 Super speed comes into play before WW would get trapped by IW. That's the whole point. The reason this scan is irrelevant is because I asked you to show me IW handling someone with Diana's speed. You provide a scan of her capturing Gladiator when he wasn't using his speed and apparently not paying any attention to Sue. Had he been using his speed, IW never would have caught him.

I think Draco posted the scan of Diana using the lasso to break a GL construct. She would use it the same way here. It wouldn't matter if she were already inside of it.

As others have already said, WW would be able to see Sue so the invisibility wouldn't matter. Even if you don't want to accept that, we've shown you examples where she has dealt with enemies while unable to see. She also has enhanced senses that would allow her to detect changes in the air pressure around her.

Feel free to ignore, but you haven't changed my mind at all. If Diana uses her speed at the start, it doesn't give Sue anytime to do any damage. You've failed to show me her handling an enemy moving at the speeds Diana is capable and that is what ultimately decides this fight for me. Without Prep, Diana wins.

Originally posted by Lord Feron
Way to use his lowest showing as abases for all his feats.

In all fairness, that scan you posted is probably a low showing for Glads, but you are using it as proof as to what IW is capable. There are people who would argue that Glads is stronger than Superman or at least comparable. You don't honestly think Supes wouldn't have broken out of that bubble in a couple of hits?

FF ftw!!!!!!!!

Ok it's time to stop playing pattie cakes Lord Feron.

Let me just show you what's gonna happen to the FF.

Mr. Fantastic is going to end up in the sun just as Magistus did.

IW's shields wouldn't hold anyway. She' get's Ko'd or smashed into paste.
http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/12/05/1228262_796x1233.jpg

Here Wondy describe's the GL's shield as unbreakable since she can't touchhim. She just uses her lasso to get thru his shield in one punch. And she isn't even fighting at Superspeeds. Lulz at Sue being a threat.

Human Torch isn't even going to get to say Flame on. No need to show Wondy against fire. Torch is dead before he opens his mouth.

Leaving Poor thing.

Unless he's stronger than Supergirl,
http://s477.photobucket.com/albums/rr138/fangirl102/?action=view&current=scan0047-1.jpg
Stronger than Captain Marvel
http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/12/10/1228285_500x742.jpg
Stronger than Primaid
http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/01/17/1228641_600x921.jpg
And a list of others I could post, Thing isn't even a foot note in this fight.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Ok it's time to stop playing pattie cakes Lord Feron.

Let me just show you what's gonna happen to the FF.

Mr. Fantastic is going to end up in the sun just as Magistus did.

IW's shields wouldn't hold anyway. She' get's Ko'd or smashed into paste.
http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/12/05/1228262_796x1233.jpg

Here Wondy describe's the GL's shield as unbreakable since she can't touchhim. She just uses her lasso to get thru his shield in one punch. And she isn't even fighting at Superspeeds. Lulz at Sue being a threat.

Human Torch isn't even going to get to say Flame on. No need to show Wondy against fire. Torch is dead before he opens his mouth.

Leaving Poor thing.

Unless he's stronger than Supergirl,
http://s477.photobucket.com/albums/rr138/fangirl102/?action=view&current=scan0047-1.jpg
Stronger than Captain Marvel
http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/12/10/1228285_500x742.jpg
Stronger than Primaid
http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/01/17/1228641_600x921.jpg
And a list of others I could post, Thing isn't even a foot note in this fight.

Nice scans-but WW is up against a team -she ain't fighting them 1 at a time. If Diana tries tom go for Reed 1st and throw him into the sun, like she did with Magistus-thats enough time for Sue lock on and open up a forcefield inside Di's body, taking her out.
In another scenario Reed could start the fight by expanding his body in front of the rest of the team, barring Ben who runs toward WW,creating a distraction. The distractive combo of Reed and Ben would give Sue ample time to put up a protective shield around herself, and in the likely event of WW getting past, Johnny could unleash his nova flame at WW, which would stun her, at least. (I can explain my logic on this) Again Sue could lock on and open up a damaging force field inside Diana, in he lungs, her brain or another vital organ.
I don't doubt that WW can get good number of wins- but the FF are not pushovers for her

Originally posted by BUSTER1
Nice scans-but WW is up against a team -she ain't fighting them 1 at a time. If Diana tries tom go for Reed 1st and throw him into the sun, like she did with Magistus-thats enough time for Sue lock on and open up a forcefield inside Di's body, taking her out.
In another scenario Reed could start the fight by expanding his body in front of the rest of the team, barring Ben who runs toward WW,creating a distraction. The distractive combo of Reed and Ben would give Sue ample time to put up a protective shield around herself, and in the likely event of WW getting past, Johnny could unleash his nova flame at WW, which would stun her, at least. (I can explain my logic on this) Again Sue could lock on and open up a damaging force field inside Diana, in he lungs, her brain or another vital organ.
I don't doubt that WW can get good number of wins- but the FF are not pushovers for her
um lol. She actually would be fighting them 1v1 since they would be standing still to her. She's so much faster. U cannot show the ff moving as a team to take someone on her level of speed down. So yeah the scans r not only nice I also showed her fighting opponents with superspeed.

Originally posted by fangirl101
um lol. She actually would be fighting them 1v1 since they would be standing still to her. She's so much faster. U cannot show the ff moving as a team to take someone on her level of speed down. So yeah the scans r not only nice I also showed her fighting opponents with superspeed.

Yeah, both Magistas and that GL were moving at light speed in your scans
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Originally posted by BUSTER1
Yeah, both Magistas and that GL were moving at light speed in your scans
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you poor thing . The captain marvel scan xlearly shows them fighting at ss. She even remarks on it. Her and primaid also broke escape velocity. And we all kmow sg/kara is fast. At her optimal speeds wondy is going to appear as a beam of continuous lite to the ff. How r they gonna hit her?please also make note that wondy threw magistus at far faster than light speeds to the sun.

Originally posted by fangirl101
you poor thing . The captain marvel scan xlearly shows them fighting at ss. She even remarks on it. Her and primaid also broke escape velocity. And we all kmow ss is fast. At her optimal speeds wondy is going to appear as a beam of continuous lite to the ff. How r they gonna hit her?please also make note that wondy threw magistus at far faster than light speeds to the sun.

WW had a chat with Power girl as she wrapped her Lassoo aroung Magistas-If she does that while taking care of Reed, Sue can lock on and take her out-unless Di and PG were talking at superspeed. And seriously, do you think the FF-the most experienced Marvel superteam-have never faced super speedsters??

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Originally posted by BUSTER1
WW had a chat with Power girl as she wrapped her Lassoo aroung Magistas-If she does that while taking care of Reed, Sue can lock on and take her out-unless Di and PG were talking at superspeed. And seriously, do you think the FF-the most experienced Marvel superteam-have never faced super speedsters??

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the scan shopwing magistus was to show that wondy is strong enough to send someone to the sun and fast enough to do it at way past c. As for the ff facing speedsters all u gotta do is show me them fighting someone on her lvl of speed and strength and skill and ill concded that they may take a win.provided of course the speedster is actually using anything near wondys best speed feats. You should read the forum rules. They would help u.

Originally posted by Sasaraixx
I take it that I am not as much fun as the others because I pick out the holes in your argument and expose them. I really don't care if you ignore me, but just know that you have not satisfactorily answered any of my questions. And I haven't been anything but respectful to you, but that does not mean that I will not question your logic.

Fallacy #1 - Not only does Diana move that fast, but she thinks that fast as well. What good would that speed be if she couldn't think fast enough to control her actions.

Fallacy #2 If Gladiator was busy fighting Mr. Fantastic then that means he was paying no attention to Sue, nor was he aware of what she was doing. You have not show that IW would have been able to handle Glads if he had been moving at full speed. I would also argue that this is probably a low showing for him because I seriously doubt that someone of his strength would have trouble bursting through that shield. Also, you Glads is far stronger comment also doesn't sit well. He may be stronger, but not so much so that WW would not be able to break through her shield.

Fallacy #3 Cover the distance in time? How far apart do you think they are starting? And do you know exactly how fast Diana can moe? I think the answer to the latter question is no judging by the silliness of that statement.

Fallacy #4 Super speed comes into play before WW would get trapped by IW. That's the whole point. The reason this scan is irrelevant is because I asked you to show me IW handling someone with Diana's speed. You provide a scan of her capturing Gladiator when he wasn't using his speed and apparently not paying any attention to Sue. Had he been using his speed, IW never would have caught him.

I think Draco posted the scan of Diana using the lasso to break a GL construct. She would use it the same way here. It wouldn't matter if she were already inside of it.

As others have already said, WW would be able to see Sue so the invisibility wouldn't matter. Even if you don't want to accept that, we've shown you examples where she has dealt with enemies while unable to see. She also has enhanced senses that would allow her to detect changes in the air pressure around her.

Feel free to ignore, but you haven't changed my mind at all. If Diana uses her speed at the start, it doesn't give Sue anytime to do any damage. You've failed to show me her handling an enemy moving at the speeds Diana is capable and that is what ultimately decides this fight for me. Without Prep, Diana wins.

not really. You are the one with faulty logic and mixing up ideas taht don't make any sense. You jump from thought to thought with no connection. You are also boarder line trolling and a disrespectful person.

Atleast fangirl just "lulz" at herself but you are offensive.

I know she moves that fast and she can fight that fast. But I personally think that for her to access the battle and decide to attack IW before the others can react or form a thought would be a incorrect assumption. If what you say is true taht she is just so fast that no one can even react to her How is this whole thread not spite?

I do not have any scans to show you that IW is able to capture someone that is running around at lightspeed. I do not think an occasion like that has happened, then again I haven't read every single FF comic. Never said she won't break through. I SAID THAT IT WOULD TAKE TIME FOR HER TO DO SO. i have repeatedly said.

I do not see the scan that you said draco posted.

These enemies were not able to create invisible constructs around her nec, in her eyes, in her bod. All to a leathal effect. They do not have to be flying or moving at her, they can be made to be anywhere without the need for them to move at all. She she might be able to detect Large bocies and maybe arrows but taht isn't much compared to a person that can create anything object out of no where.

Fail huh? right.. anyway since you were not as rude as before you don't get to be ignored. Your actually forming a semblance civil argument.

FF ftw

Why is this not closed? 😐 This is obviously spite against the FF. They have no hope of winning without prep time or a sudden case of retardation in Wonder Woman.

Originally posted by fangirl101
the scan shopwing magistus was to show that wondy is strong enough to send someone to the sun and fast enough to do it at way past c. As for the ff facing speedsters all u gotta do is show me them fighting someone on her lvl of speed and strength and skill and ill concded that they may take a win.provided of course the speedster is actually using anything near wondys best speed feats. You should read the forum rules. They would help u.

I've read the rules plenty, and like you have formed an opinion based on my knowledge of the charaters involved. If you don't like my opinions, tough luck.
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Originally posted by BUSTER1
I've read the rules plenty, and like you have formed an opinion based on my knowledge of the charaters involved. If you don't like my opinions, tough luck.
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actually ur opinion seems formed out of bias or lack of knowlege. Becuz I've posted enough scans of wondy and proposed that u give examples of ff taking someone on her lvl down. U haven't given any reason why wondy doesn't do exactly what I siad. And u have provided nothing in the way of how the ff win. Sue is the most dangerous. Too bad shels slow and only a few yards from wondy.

Originally posted by fangirl101
actually ur opinion seems formed out of bias or lack of knowlege. Becuz I've posted enough scans of wondy and proposed that u give examples of ff taking someone on her lvl down. U haven't given any reason why wondy doesn't do exactly what I siad. And u have provided nothing in the way of how the ff win. Sue is the most dangerous. Too bad shels slow and only a few yards from wondy.

Who is shel and how does she (or he) fit into this?? 🙁 🙁

Lord Feron, I am not going to even bother quoting you this time. You haven't dealt with any of my arguments and crying about me being mean isn't helping.

I am not hopping from idea to idea. I'm responding to each of your claims in turn. If they sound ridiculous it's because your original statement was lol.

The bottom line is Diana is too fast. Period. You can't find scans showing what I asked then I will continue to assume that she moves too fast for IW to even get a lock on her. Without prep, this is spite. If they all have common knowledge about each other, you can bet Diana goes after IW first. And in case you've forgotten, in these battle we assume characters are fighting at their best, using all of their abilities. Even if Diana normally doesn't blitz her opponents in comics, it doesn't mean she's not capable of doing so.

The other 3 are a nonfactor in this fight. The only one would could really hurt Diana is IW, but that is assuming she can even get anything going. Without showing she can handle her speed, you can't argue that she can actually win.

Fangirl has more patience than I do. Debating with you is exasperating.

Here is the scan. I apologize. I thought Draco already posted it.

http://www.picamatic.com/view/1229298_scan0033/

In all of your opinions, is Invisible Woman being the most powerful and dangerous of the group common knowledge for a DC character like Wonderwoman? In relation to that, do you believe that Wonderwoman really attack her first before human Torch or Thing? Also:

Originally posted by Sasaraixx
Here is the scan. I apologize. I thought Draco already posted it.

http://www.picamatic.com/view/1229298_scan0033/

Doesn't this have to do with the fact that the Lasso is yellow?