A Decent Versus Thread...

Started by Darth Faunus25 pages

Originally posted by Fishy
I very much doubt it... Revan and Kun would be far more offensive then Yoda and would draw blood faster.

And Faunus you are right, the force is in everything they do. But if Yoda can jump he is using the force more and unfairly then the rest I mean Revan and Exar could do it like that too and just jump over the rest towards the target take it and jump back.. So Yoda would still walk slow or crawl.

Well, Kun, yes. But we know absolutely nothing about Revan's style. Nothing. And what we do know about him implies that he is calm, calculating, cold. I doubt he'll be all that offensive and aggrssive. if I were to take a fair guess, i'd say that he used Soresu and Makashi tactics more than anything else, probably more on Soresu. it seems fitting for him.

Anyways, remember, Ulic is brash, almost idiotic sometimes. Upon seeing Yoda, he'll direly underestimate him, leaving himself open to a quick scratch or so. It's simple.

EDIT: My bad, forgot the second part.

Yeah, Yoda would crawl. But I doubt it'd be all that slow. And I don't mean crazy Force jumps and whatnot, but Yoda at least has access to basic locomotion techniques (rolls, dives, etc.) which require basic use of the Force for effectiveness. Of course, Kun and Revan have these as well. But i doubt they'll be able to use them as effectively as Yoda.

Originally posted by Darth Faunus
Well, Kun, yes. But we know absolutely nothing about Revan's style. Nothing. And what we do know about him implies that he is calm, calculating, cold. I doubt he'll be all that offensive and aggrssive. if I were to take a fair guess, i'd say that he used Soresu and Makashi tactics more than anything else, probably more on Soresu. it seems fitting for him.

Anyways, remember, Ulic is brash, almost idiotic sometimes. Upon seeing Yoda, he'll direly underestimate him, leaving himself open to a quick scratch or so. It's simple.

Doubt it, Ulic is no fool. Not to mention that if they knew the goal Revan would do whatever it would take, to take him out fast. And I don't thin he uses Soresu, it doesn't fit him. Its to much on the defending side. Revan needs to be able to attack otherwise he could never win any fight. If anything he probably has his own form. At least thats what I alwyas thought, i'm pretty sure he knows how to attack and when.

Okay, but see the important thing isn't taking Ulic out fast. It's drawing blood. Otherwise Exar and Revan would complete this long before Yoda. I don't want to argue in circles, so we'll stick with our opinions, no fights.

And the reason I say he uses a variant of Soresu mixed with Makashi techniques is that it does suit him. You agree that Revan is cold, calculating, like a predator, waiting for the right moment to strike? I can't imagine him hammering away at an enemy like Luke or Anakin do in their respective duels. Now, he obviously knows how to attack, hence the makashi techniques, and doubtlessly uses bits and pieces of his own improvisations, but a form based off of Soresu and Makashi would be what I'd give him.

Lastly, no Ulic isn't a fool. But he is ridiculously brash, that cannot be argued. And anyone who sees Yoda for the first time would underestimate him. It's part of human physcology. Now, he'd quickly learn his lesson, but in my opinion, not before he ended up sporting some cuts.

He's right, everything we have on Revan is that he's cool and calculating. In his duel with Malak, it was described as Epic when he defeated him, likely taking a long time, methodically picking him apart. Exar killed Vodo in 10 seconds flat, the guy simply slashes people up, and very few people could defend against Exar's onslaught. Exar will win the third challenge, it would be daft to assume otherwise.

We've seen Yoda kill very quickly. Against a lesser opponent, his size and speed give him an extreme advatange. The difference here is that Exar and Yoda are speed killers, while Revan picks people apart tactically.

Also, it's silly to underestimate Kun's ability to get what he wants. He's got the most raw power of all of the three, and he's been able to manipulate the Jedi before, twist and mislead hundreds of Jedi at once, why wouldn't he be able to do it to 30 gamblers who don't have the force and are likely more crooked and weakminded to begin with?

No, I see Kun winning at least 2 out of the 3 tasks, and possibly getting the victory in the third. This really is Kun's round.

Originally posted by Darth Faunus
No Force powers. Janus meant things such as lightning, push, etc. The Force is second nature to a Jedi/Sith; they are almost nothing without it.

In this case it's quite obvious that Yoda will finish first in the first task.


And Nai, Kun may be a hothead, but that sn't going to stop him from reaching his goal. he's not so hot-headed that he'd completely throw the mission. That's a silly assumption.

Throwing the mission ? No. But he will most likely be the one that will do it straigth (fighting) or he will be the one that has to fight the most because he's too huge to "sneak around" effectively. So he will have to face the most opponents no matter how he tries to do this therefore he will need the most time since Revan, Yoda and Exar are not that much different when it comes to duelling skills.

Most enemies to face = most time needed and it's quite obvious for me that Exar will have to deal with more enemies than Revan or Yoda.


And as for the second task, I doubt it. Like I said, Kun's known for getting what he wants, through violence, yes, but also through intimidation and fear. Those gamblers would talk if they were faced with a guy who shook the ground.

They will be confronted with Exar Kun - not with somebody who is (obviously) a Sith Lord that makes the ground shake because of his dark powers.


And as for the third task, I agree. However, you seemed unsure. the reason that Yoda would come in second, above Revan, is because of his amazing speed, but also his talons. The task is to draw first blood, not kill. Exar and Revan would kill him faster, Exar would draw blood faster, but Revan falls behind here. But, whatever.

We never saw Yoda draw blood or kill people fast. I thought that Exar and Revan will just do it faster because they will have less philosophical problems hurting or killing somebody. It might be that Yoda will come out as second here but that doesn't change my oppinion - Exar out. 😉

Alright then. . .

Revan: 3

Illustrious, Faunus, BlackVortex

Yoda: 2

Fishy, Rand al' Thor

Exar Kun: 2

Nai Fohl, Frobo

Still the same, with Revan holding the most "out" votes. . . We'll wait for Janus, then. He's the only big hitter who hasn't responded.

give a vote to yoda
yoda: 3

You need reasons. We don't accept simple inputs of opinions.

And these votes are for who to kick out, not who to keep, in case you didn''t know.

Originally posted by Darth Faunus
You need reasons. We don't accept simple inputs of opinions.

And these votes are for who to kick out, not who to keep, in case you didn''t know.

Agreed. Please pay attention next time.

And I personally think this about the challenges...

Exar Kun will likely be more confident and confrontational, but I doubt he'll expose himself willingly in this case. He's not dumb. And he is a survivor. I believe he will isolate a single merc, kill him, and take his blaster. This will provide him with a ranged weapon in case all else fails. He will then proceed to sneak through the sewers, and - being physically well conditioned- shouldn't have much a problem aside from his size. But the biggest problem I see is that Exar Kun is just as likely to use that blaster when he needs it, and call the whole damn place on himself. This would set him back horribly, since even a Sith Lord can't kill hordes of blaster totting baddies without nonpassive Force powers. So he definately trails in this case.

Yoda, with his small size and wits, has a great advantage. And seeing as Master Yoda believes in nonaggression, he will not be at so much a loss in this case. He will make the most out of what he has and probably not even use his weapon. The only trouble I see in his timing is having to constantly hide (especially after the datapad is found missing) and not being able to consciously use the Force to aid his abilities. True, in this trial the Force will guide their blades, shots, and whatnot. But they cannot consciously call upon it to, say, jump high or run fast. And because of this it will cost Yoda. His advantage will be moreso over Kun, but not so much over Revan.

Revan is smart and a survivor. If anything, this challenge is in his favor since he has fought Forceless many times, and he knows the mindset of the Mandalorians better than anyone. I have the feeling he will create a good distraction and slip past large groups of enemies, and then assassinate the final guard watching over the datapad, hide his body, and make another plan for his escape. The only layup I see in his case is if he gets caught; even Revan isn't flawless, and he may have to engage in a few stray soldiers, which will cost him time and possibly a wound or his element of surprise. And reformulating a plan to get out of this new jam is what gives him slightly less of an advantage then Yoda.

Lineup is:

- Yoda
-Revan
- Exar Kun

The second challenge...

Yoda does stick out, and his kind are known for being Force users. He will immediately come under suspicion, so he must work differently than the other two. I imagine Yoda will do something no one else will think of in their evil minds; he'll provide an agent, I'm thinking of a child perhaps or a young boy or girl, to gamble with the denizens of the den. He'll fix them up so he can observe the games, and with his wisdom in humanoid interaction from all those years, pinpoint the possible crooks. From there, he will test his hypothesis again, with a different agent, and then coordinate with the local police to make the arrest under the guise of jedi.

Not what you expected at all, huh?

Revan would be next. While Exar Kun's no pushover by far, and won't trail behind Revan much so, he's still hurting from his last trial. Sooo... Revan will organize a plan to catch the crooks. Revan is devious and manipulative like his mentor; he will work from several angles at once to make up for time and possibly use a combination of agents, spy technology bought from a shady dealer, and personal contact and observation to pinpoint who he suspects are the cheaters. Because he is less brooding then Yoda, he will meditate less, coming to conclusions quickly and acting upon them. Because Revan has access to the den itself (Not being singled out like Yoda) he will probably check other people and get feedback to see if that will aid as well. Anything to narrow down the timeframe of the effort, I'm assuming.

Exar Kun, who I must confess I don't know his attitude much, has been labeled confident, a bit rash, and very talented. He will probably do the majority of the work on his own, having the downfall of pride, and make quicker decisions then Revan, but backed on less evidence. There is the chance he might misguess a cheater, since basically all gamblers are shifty and self serving. This could cost him time, and make for a messy apprehension. And because of this, he trails Yoda, with Revan making up for some of his lost time.

- Yoda loses a bit here, but having less prep time then Revan helps.
- Revan excels over Exar Kun, being more methodical and accurate, and not far behind Yoda at all.
- Exar Kun trails, because of his pride in himself.

The third challenge...

I said that the contest was for first blood, but I never said the players were told as such. They enter the fight with Ulic expecting to defeat him, in a fight to the death. And this is the main trick to this last challenge.

At this point, Yoda is slghtly behind Revan, since even having a bugged agent play thirty to sixty games of pazaak takes time. Revan, more on the ball and less brooding, would have the time advantage to offset his setup time. And because of this, the order going into this last trial is:

Revan (By perhaps twenty, thirty minutes tops)
Yoda (Ahead of Exar Kun by about an hour, perhaps.)
and Exar Kun.

But since a fight with Ulic would be heated and rather quick, such a time difference could mean that doing poorly on the first two parts could criple the person in second and third place. Whoever is out on top by trial two would be first, unless they royally messed up.

So I think the thing to do (Since I didn't think that point through when I posted this round) is to place the fight with Ulic BEFORE the other two challenges, and to give instead of actual time bonuses to the first and second place, to give set ones. Such as first place to beat Ulic gains an additional two hours to commit to the second challenge (Which is in the sewers); second place an hour, and third place already is two hours behind first place.

That having been said (READ ABOVE PARAGRAPH FOR ROUND EDIT) I have to confess that the idea of first blood seems ridiculous with lightsabers. And since they don't know that's the goal, it may never happen before Ulic actually dies. So alter that to first strike. I apologize for heavily editing this round, but it went off half cocked since I posted it in two parts, and most of it while on the phone with customers, so my mind wasn' in it as much as it should have been. That said, I believe Exar Kun will outclass Ulic the fastest, and land a blow, giving him the two hours of spare time. He'll need it. Revan comes next, not Yoda. Yoda may be a considerable PT era dueller, but he is not Ulic's exact equal; Ulic fought Exar Kun at least until a standstill before Exar grew moreso in power, and Revan was obviously the target of many jealous Sith, including Malak, but none beat him in saber combat. This leads me to believe (Just like Ragnos) that he had something considerable in his favor to back up his position for some time, and because of his calculating nature and the idea that he has battle attunement at least slightly better than the average jedi, he will more quickly make use of Ulic's flaws then Yoda will overcome him with flipping frenzy.

And since Revan has the time advantage over Yoda again, he barely sneaks past him into the final lineup, which is Revan, then Yoda, and then Exar Kun.

Wait a second. . . if Exar gets a two hour time bonus over the others, how does he get evicted?

Originally posted by Darth Faunus
Wait a second. . . if Exar gets a two hour time bonus over the others, how does he get evicted?

Yeah how did that happen?

umm...i've become really confused.

helpful hint janus..

you may have edited all this to make it better in your opinion..but everyone has already posted on the previous ways, and it was understood well. you're the only one we were waiting for, so though it may not have come out as you wanted, it worked for us, and we went with it. and now i know i, at least, am really confused on what's going on...

i think you should leave it with how it was, simply because we're only really waiting for you...and if you're going to change, some might start reposting, and then, etc, etc, we'll never finish this.

Originally posted by BlackVortex
umm...i've become really confused.

helpful hint janus..

you may have edited all this to make it better in your opinion..but everyone has already posted on the previous ways, and it was understood well. you're the only one we were waiting for, so though it may not have come out as you wanted, it worked for us, and we went with it. and now i know i, at least, am really confused on what's going on...

i think you should leave it with how it was, simply because we're only really waiting for you...and if you're going to change, some might start reposting, and then, etc, etc, we'll never finish this.

Well I wouldn't say that.

It doesn't really change my opinion. . . I still vote Revan out. Despite how kewl I consider him.

Located in the underbelly of Taris is a slaver's stronghold deep in the sewers of the undercity. These slavers are not your average idiots: they are Mandalorian professionals, mixed with Zabrak mercenaries and at least five Echani assassins. In the very heart of this setup is a datapad that is of signifigance only for this challenge. Now, using NO force powers at all, who is most likely to advance into the heart of the slavers' domain undetected, or at least be able to fend off attackers and escape should they be exposed. Be sure to consider both possibilities, of course. Their armaments include light battle armor apiece (Yoda's in customized reinforced robes instead) and a simple dusk black melee weapon (a saber for Revan, extendable double blade for Kun, and a cane-sword for Yoda.)

This. Exar Kun is more likely to end up fighting all of these goons then anyone else. Yoda is the least likely, and Revan is the next least likely. Sneaking can take a really long time, especially when you consider how extensive the sewers are, how many enemies are roaming them, and the fact that Exar Kun doesn't know them well at all. And he could be successful for awhile, only to be discovered when he tries to lay claim to the datapad, which is being defended. ANd then he has to fight his way out. The odds of Revan and Yoda engaging in direct combat here are much less, from where I'm looking, and as for the next challenge, the emphasis is as much on speed as accuracy. Frustrated and perhaps battered from his encounter in the sewers, Exar Kun is going straight ino a crowded situation to find six bastards he can't up and fry. If he's thinking straight, I am an ewok friar. Revan and Yoda are much calmer beings, and both are every bit as capable if Exar Kun or perhaps moreso. So the two hours can be almost entirely negated by his ordeal in the tunnels and his mindset afterwards. It's not like they got a night's rest in between.

And Black Vortex, I realize this isn't the easiest thing to work with. It's even harder to try and do on your own. So if you have suggestions, make them specific, and PM me. That goes for the rest of you. Let's leave the thread to debate.

Right, so thats:

Kun: 3
Revan: 3
Yoda: 2

Yep, it may have to come down to tiebreaker.

Eenie, Meenie, Miny, Moe. . .

The winner of the DVT gets knighted by a Jawa with a lightsaber.

Better be Yoda. . . He's a Teenage Mutant Ninja Jawa!!! Ancified!