Originally posted by jinzinIn other words you're hoping people will say "Look pretty picture." and ignore everything and anything that's been written over the past page or so - because, oh dear, it might make people think Wolverine loses. Could I ask what if any events do you consider to be PIS with regards to Wolverine's fights.
the only point I'm making is that people are often misguided about wolverine's character..and that if you read enough wolverine books you will come to realize this. I'm not so much posting the pic to make a point, rather to educate the public who may think your word has some validity to it as far as wolverine's ability to soak up damage goes, your perception of how the character probaby should be, appears to differ greatly from how the character is actually represented.... of course that's when semantic debates about popularity, bad writing, and whatever other redoubts you people can come up with to put lognan down start up all over again....to which my answer is always the same................When someone argues that they have seen evidence of something but that the evidence doesn't count because that character "shouldn't be able to do that" they need to re-think the premise of thier conclusion. A characters abilities are based on what he or she demonstrates he or she can do, not on what someone thought they could do at one time. Thing is like it's been said before... this isn't just stuff wolverine does some of the time..it's stuff he does ALL the damned time...why do you think discarding stacks and stacks of evidence no matter how much is presented to you, no matter how consistent, makes you correct in your assumptions? 😑
Originally posted by CreshoskWhen he is shot by a bullet does it take time to heal? Is there a latency.
I'm saying that it seems to be instantaneous for everything, provided his system isn't taxed out and functioning without whatever it draws upon for an energy source.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotThe walking plot device one, nice...
So there are two different healing factors - one for heavy hits, the other for everything else?
Originally posted by CreshoskFor the sake of the comic, care to explain why he should stay up?
The majority of the heavy hits he takes he remains concious for.Majority, most of the time. as opposed to minority, the lesser amount of the time.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotWhat happens the minority of the time should be considered PIS, rather than the majority. When he's powered down form hanging with bricks to being taken out be streets. . . he's been powered down.
In other words you're hoping people will say "Look pretty picture." and ignore everything and anything that's been written over the past page or so - because, oh dear, it might make people think Wolverine loses. Could I ask what if any events do you consider to be PIS with regards to Wolverine's fights.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotif there was too long of one he couldn't run through hailstorms of bullets like he does frequently.
When he is shot by a bullet does it take time to heal? Is there a latency.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotAs with everyone else he seems to heal inbetween the blows, so it doesn't add up the effect.
When he is struck by the Hulk et al - with enough force to knock someone out/put them in a coma/kill them etc. does he take time to heal? Is there latency?
Originally posted by xmarksthespotIf there was latency he would have been killed during each of the times fighting the armies. . .
If there is then by all rights he should be knocked out/in a coma/dead for that latency. If there is no latency whatsoever then he is healing instantaneously.
If you expect to go into a high hostile target area and not get hit, you're not making the right expectations.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotI don't think jinzin knows/considers ANYTHING to be pIS/cis with wolverine...
In other words you're hoping people will say "Look pretty picture." and ignore everything and anything that's been written over the past page or so - because, oh dear, it might make people think Wolverine loses. Could I ask what if any events do you consider to be PIS with regards to Wolverine's fights.
When he is shot by a bullet does it take time to heal? Is there a latency.
When he is stabbed does it take time to heal? Is there a latency.
When he is struck by the Hulk et al - with enough force to knock someone out/put them in a coma/kill them etc. does he take time to heal? Is there latency? If there is then by all rights he should be knocked out/in a coma/dead for that latency. If there is no latency whatsoever then he is healing instantaneously thus incongruous with the stabbed, shot etc.
Originally posted by Creshosk
What happens the minority of the time should be considered PIS, rather than the majority. When he's powered down form hanging with bricks to being taken out be streets. . . he's been powered down.
What kind of mess is this, what majority, thats bull.
This is basically saying"ignore wolverine being a peak human, and accept everything that goes in our favor"
Na uh...
Powered down, are you insisting wolverine is on hulk level?
I'm pretty sure he's speed up against guys like him and spiderman if anything.
Originally posted by CreshoskLatency exists?
if there was too long of one he couldn't run through hailstorms of bullets like he does frequently.
Originally posted by Creshosk
As with everyone else he seems to heal inbetween the blows, so it doesn't add up the effect.
Originally posted by CreshoskSo latency doesn't exist?
If there was latency he would have been killed during each of the times fighting the armies. . .
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Latency exists?What do you mean add up to the effect. We discussed Hulk punches through mountains etc earlier. A single blow adds up to the effect.
So latency doesn't exist?
This is what I'm saying, its bull.
They are actually insisting that wolverine heals before the damage.
Its ridiculous, we've already covered this on a thread...
Originally posted by xmarksthespotIf it did, he'd be dead by now.
Latency exists?
Originally posted by xmarksthespotThen obviously it works fast enough to deal with Hulk punches, since that's what happens the majority of the time.
What do you mean add up to the effect. We discussed Hulk punches through mountains etc earlier. A single blow adds up to the effect.
If Hulk fails to do something that happens a majority of the time, why is it not PIS when he succeeds? But only PIS when he fails?
If (for the sake of argument, since I know you think it's false) Wolverine IS able to take Hulks punches, wouldn't it be PIS for him to not be able to? Wouldn't it be PIS for him to not take hits from those lower than Hulk?
Originally posted by xmarksthespotIf it did, he'd be dead by now, and not even just from a brick encounter. . . but running through armed expendable characters. As he frequently does. Have you ever seen an army take him down? if he takes out an army of expendable characters 98/100 times, wouldn't the 2 times be PIS for him? And then if it was a given for him to be able to wouldn't he have to heal quickly so that he doesn't die? because that damage can add up fast.
So latency doesn't exist?
Originally posted by Creshosk
If it did, he'd be dead by now.Then obviously it works fast enough to deal with Hulk punches, since that's what happens the majority of the time.
If Hulk fails to do something that happens a majority of the time, why is it not PIS when he succeeds? But only PIS when he fails?
If (for the sake of argument, since I know you think it's false) Wolverine IS able to take Hulks punches, wouldn't it be PIS for him to not be able to? Wouldn't it be PIS for him to not take hits from those lower than Hulk?
If it did, he'd be dead by now, and not even just from a brick encounter. . . but running through armed expendable characters. As he frequently does. Have you ever seen an army take him down? if he takes out an army of expendable characters 98/100 times, wouldn't the 2 times be PIS for him? And then if it was a given for him to be able to wouldn't he have to heal quickly so that he doesn't die? because that damage can add up fast.
He'd be dead by now...
Stop this please, why doesn't spiderman dodge?
He'd be dead by now...
This isn't a comic book.
Other characters have taken hits by the hulk, so with all your word twisting, and taking points out of context you are insisting that wolverine can take mountain shattering hits?
Originally posted by jinzin
the only point I'm making is that people are often misguided about wolverine's character..and that if you read enough wolverine books you will come to realize this. I'm not so much posting the pic to make a point, rather to educate the public who may think your word has some validity to it as far as wolverine's ability to soak up damage goes, your perception of how the character probaby should be, appears to differ greatly from how the character is actually represented.... of course that's when semantic debates about popularity, bad writing, and whatever other redoubts you people can come up with to put lognan down start up all over again....to which my answer is always the same................When someone argues that they have seen evidence of something but that the evidence doesn't count because that character "shouldn't be able to do that" they need to re-think the premise of thier conclusion. A characters abilities are based on what he or she demonstrates he or she can do, not on what someone thought they could do at one time. Thing is like it's been said before... this isn't just stuff wolverine does some of the time..it's stuff he does ALL the damned time...why do you think discarding stacks and stacks of evidence no matter how much is presented to you, no matter how consistent, makes you correct in your assumptions? 😑
*nods*
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Is there latency? Sure but it is so small that it might as well not exist to begin with.During the Onslaught Saga, it was stated that Wolverine's healing factor heals bullet wounds one millimeter behind the bullet.
I've seen it fluctuate from less to better, depending on the situation/circumstance.
I think KMC just needs a set limit for wolverine's healing factor, like the one set in the tournament.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
He'd be dead by now...Stop this please, why doesn't spiderman dodge?
He'd be dead by now...
This isn't a comic book.
Other characters have taken hits by the hulk, so with all your word twisting, and taking points out of context you are insisting that wolverine can take mountain shattering hits?
Yes but how many characters (streets) have taken 30-40 hits from the Hulk?
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I've seen it fluctuate from less to better, depending on the situation/circumstance.I think KMC just needs a set limit for wolverine's healing factor, like the one set in the tournament.
Yes it goes from what it is 90% of the time to the rare time when he is hurt by streets... and for some reason the other 10% is all any one is concered with here.
Originally posted by CreshoskYou're point being?
If it did, he'd be dead by now.
Originally posted by CreshoskOr perhaps just perhaps it's PIS. You're saying he heals from a concussion/coma the instant he receives the force of the blow - from a character with immense strength.
Then obviously it works fast enough to deal with Hulk punches, since that's what happens the majority of the time.
Originally posted by CreshoskPIS is the lowering of a character's abilities to advance a story or make an opponent seem less weak. You're saying it would be Hulk PIS if he managed to knock out Wolverine.
If Hulk fails to do something that happens a majority of the time, why is it not PIS when he succeeds? But only PIS when he fails?
Originally posted by CreshoskYou're correct in the assumption that I think it's false.
If (for the sake of argument, since I know you think it's false) Wolverine IS able to take Hulks punches, wouldn't it be PIS for him to not be able to? Wouldn't it be PIS for him to not take hits from those lower than Hulk?
Originally posted by CreshoskWhich army has soldiers that hit with cl100 force again?
If it did, he'd be dead by now, and not even just from a brick encounter. . . but running through armed expendable characters. As he frequently does. Have you ever seen an army take him down? if he takes out an army of expendable characters 98/100 times, wouldn't the 2 times be PIS for him? And then if it was a given for him to be able to wouldn't he have to heal quickly so that he doesn't die? because that damage can add up fast.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
In other words you're hoping people will say "Look pretty picture." and ignore everything and anything that's been written over the past page or so - because, oh dear, it might make people think Wolverine loses. Could I ask what if any events do you consider to be PIS with regards to Wolverine's fights.
When he is shot by a bullet does it take time to heal? Is there a latency.
When he is stabbed does it take time to heal? Is there a latency.
When he is struck by the Hulk et al - with enough force to knock someone out/put them in a coma/kill them etc. does he take time to heal? Is there latency? If there is then by all rights he should be knocked out/in a coma/dead for that latency. If there is no latency whatsoever then he is healing instantaneously thus incongruous with the stabbed, shot etc.
anything written over the past page? 🤨
first off... wolverine did nothing but kick the shit out of everybody that got in his way in that book for two issues straight...
second off..no, I don't take the general public that discusses here as complete idiots...(well save a few).... I would never think that showing one picture of a character doing something was any way to present information with hopes of having a solidified argument as one picture doesn't really account for proof if the pic is in direct constrast with proof from the opposite side of the debate... however when there is more than one picture..when the amount of pics that we use as proof gets into the double digits and even overwhelms to amount of proof the opposite side of the debate is presenting....and people still have a hard time accepting certain things of part of his/or her character..well.....
as far as logan doing pis feats.....taking a nuke at ground zero, surviving the sun, when he didn't fall down from namor socking him in the face, his pants not having one scratch or even a scuff mark after being blown up 3 times, beating lobo, cutting thanos with bone, gutting silver surfer, pretty much any time a street level can give him touble without getting hit, every time he just leaps in airborne for a suicide assault, (namor, godzilla rippoff, wrecker)... these are all I got off the top of my head right now.... but what's your point here?
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterI thought spiderman DID dodge. 😕
He'd be dead by now...Stop this please, why doesn't spiderman dodge?
He'd be dead by now...
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterOther characters are not Wolverine. Are they? 🙄
This isn't a comic book.Other characters have taken hits by the hulk, so with all your word twisting, and taking points out of context you are insisting that wolverine can take mountain shattering hits?
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterSo what happenesd the majority of the time?
I've seen it fluctuate from less to better, depending on the situation/circumstance.
And what are those circumstances? Poisoned tea for example?
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterHow about if we set limits for all other characters? Like only 100 tons limit for super strength?
I think KMC just needs a set limit for wolverine's healing factor, like the one set in the tournament.