Colossus vs. Sabertooth

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
You're point being?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Or perhaps just perhaps it's PIS. You're saying he heals from a concussion/coma the instant he receives the force of the blow - from a character with immense strength.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
PIS is the lowering of a character's abilities to advance a story or make an opponent seem less weak. You're saying it would be Hulk PIS if he managed to knock out Wolverine.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Which army has soldiers that hit with cl100 force again?

Originally posted by Creshosk
I thought spiderman DID dodge. 😕

Other characters are not Wolverine. Are they? 🙄

So what happenesd the majority of the time?

And what are those circumstances? Poisoned tea for example?

How about if we set limits for all other characters? Like only 100 tons limit for super strength?

Because if the character can lift more, he can, you want the healing to fluctuate, sounds a bit fanboyish to me.

Strength is noted fine within the characters, I don't see what you are getting at, that his healing should have no limit?

Circumstances... thing ko'ing him with a hit, hulk with a glancing blow, round and round the healing goes, where it stops noone knows.

Originally posted by jinzin
anything written over the past page? 🤨

first off... wolverine did nothing but kick the shit out of everybody that got in his way in that book for two issues straight...

second off..no, I don't take the general public that discusses here as complete idiots...(well save a few).... I would never think that showing one picture of a character doing something was any way to present information with hopes of having a solidified argument as one picture doesn't really account for proof if the pic is in direct constrast with proof from the opposite side of the debate... however when there is more than one picture..when the amount of pics that we use as proof gets into the double digits and even overwhelms to amount of proof the opposite side of the debate is presenting....and people still have a hard time accepting certain things of part of his/or her character..well.....

as far as logan doing pis feats.....taking a nuke at ground zero, surviving the sun, when he didn't fall down from namor socking him in the face, his pants not having one scratch or even a scuff mark after being blown up 3 times, beating lobo, cutting thanos with bone, gutting silver surfer, pretty much any time a street level can give him touble without getting hit, every time he just leaps in airborne for a suicide assault, (namor, godzilla rippoff, wrecker)... these are all I got off the top of my head right now.... but what's your point here?

Originally posted by jinzin
as far as logan doing pis feats.....taking a nuke at ground zero, surviving the sun, when he didn't fall down from namor socking him in the face, his pants not having one scratch or even a scuff mark after being blown up 3 times, beating lobo, cutting thanos with bone, gutting silver surfer, pretty much any time a street level can give him touble without getting hit, every time he just leaps in airborne for a suicide assault, (namor, godzilla rippoff, wrecker)... these are all I got off the top of my head right now.... but what's your point here?

So you don't consider that in the career and abilities of the Hulk him punching Wolverine several times and not knocking him out is PIS.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Just trying to gauge what goes on in your mind.
Took the liberty of subdividing it. There is a fundamental misunderstanding of what the PIS rule is.
[b]Wolverine SvFL
taking a nuke at ground zero, surviving the sun
Wolverine PIS
pretty much any time a street level can give him touble without getting hit
Wolverine CIS
every time he just leaps in airborne for a suicide assault
PIS of other characters
beating lobo
cutting thanos with bone
gutting silver surfer
he didn't fall down from namor socking him in the face
I have no idea
his pants not having one scratch or even a scuff mark after being blown up 3 times

So you don't consider that in the career and abilities of the Hulk him punching Wolverine several times and not knocking him out is PIS. [/B]

Guys... isnt this a tad off topic?

Originally posted by pr1983
Guys... isnt this a tad off topic?

Ironic isn't it?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Because if the character can lift more, he can, you want the healing to fluctuate, sounds a bit fanboyish to me.

I'm the one that says he heals from armies damage instantly, so he should be able to heal from other types of damage instantly.

You guys are the ones that are saying "He can survive armies, but he can't survive the Hulk" because you guys are implying that there are two different ones.

There aren't. There is one healing factor that functions far beter than you give it creidt for. . . or at least for bludgening blows, you do seem to accept it functions well for everything else. .

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
you want the healing to fluctuate, sounds a bit fanboyish to me.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Strength is noted fine within the characters, I don't see what you are getting at, that his healing should have no limit?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Circumstances... thing ko'ing him with a hit,

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
hulk with a glancing blow, round and round the healing goes, where it stops noone knows.

Then shouldn't the lesser 10% dictate the other characters as well? Why only Wolverine?

Originally posted by Creshosk
As SRank said if it was large enough he would be dead.

Originally posted by Creshosk
So the majority of Wolverine's carrer is PIS? 😕

Originally posted by Creshosk
I'm saying it would be Wolverine's PIS if he managed to do what he fails to do the majority of the time.

Originally posted by Creshosk
There's a healing factor for concussive force and another for other stuff? 😕

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Just trying to gauge what goes on in your mind.
Took the liberty of subdividing it. There is a fundamental misunderstanding of what the PIS rule is.
[b]Wolverine SvFL
taking a nuke at ground zero, surviving the sun
Wolverine PIS
pretty much any time a street level can give him touble without getting hit
Wolverine CIS
every time he just leaps in airborne for a suicide assault
PIS of other characters
beating lobo
cutting thanos with bone
gutting silver surfer
he didn't fall down from namor socking him in the face
I have no idea
his pants not having one scratch or even a scuff mark after being blown up 3 times

So you don't consider that in the career and abilities of the Hulk him punching Wolverine several times and not knocking him out is PIS. [/B]

Aren't you saying that a PIS for other characters is also a SVFL for Wolverine?

Of course THOSE examples of "pis for other characters ARE SVFL for wolverine. . .

Originally posted by Creshosk
I want the healing to fluctuate?
I'm the one that says he heals from armies damage instantly, so he should be able to heal from other types of damage instantly.
You guys are the ones that are saying "He can survive armies, but he can't survive the Hulk" because you guys are implying that there are two different ones.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Just trying to gauge what goes on in your mind.
Took the liberty of subdividing it. There is a fundamental misunderstanding of what the PIS rule is.
[b]Wolverine SvFL
taking a nuke at ground zero, surviving the sun
Wolverine PIS
pretty much any time a street level can give him touble without getting hit
Wolverine CIS
every time he just leaps in airborne for a suicide assault
PIS of other characters
beating lobo
cutting thanos with bone
gutting silver surfer
he didn't fall down from namor socking him in the face
I have no idea
his pants not having one scratch or even a scuff mark after being blown up 3 times

So you don't consider that in the career and abilities of the Hulk him punching Wolverine several times and not knocking him out is PIS. [/B]

I would believe that it was PIS if that's what happened more often than not...but that isn't the case...13-14 encounters they've had with eachother...hulk's only been able to successfully knock him out 3 times, all three times where cheap shots.... if he was more capable of Knocking logan out than not..than he would do it...but he can't..more often than not, he's proven himself incapable during the duration of their fights, even when he's really pissed. (don't misunderstand me I'm not saying hulk of all people for gods sake is insufficient to do so, just during their fights wolverine has stood up to hulk with a large amount of success and.....that....)

there are of course other factors to consider...wolverine's not just standing there taking the punches..he's moving quick as hell..hulk's probably not punching will ALLLLLL his might for every punch...kinda hard to do that when you're covering up to keep your face from being cut off by a little hairy canadian..

and finally "coulda, shoulda, woulda" arguments are basically just another way of avoidng the fact that comic book logic differs from real world logic by a great deal...if you can't allow yoursefl to be convinced by CONSISTENT feats in comic books, why bother reading them? as you are not enjoying the fun of an escapist reality to it's full extent... 🤨

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Again your point being? Writers don't kill off characters on a regular repetitive basis unless they're named Jean Grey.

They can kill off characters and bring them back whenever they want. They killed wolverine and then "whoops, it was a skrull."

They killed colossus. . and now he's back. They've killed electra, and now she's back. Hell look at the whole Spiderclone thing.

They can kill off a character and then have some way of bringing the characters back. They do it all the time.

Aunt may has been dead, what? twice now? And now she's alive again.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Are you deliberately misinterpreting the PIS rule - it is Hulk PIS. Has Wolverine spent the majority of his career just fighting Hulk?

How is it PIS if hulk can't do it the majority of the time he tries anyway?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
In other words you're saying it's not Hulk PIS if Hulk fails to knock him out but it would be Wolverine PIS if Hulk succeeded in KOing him? 😕

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
What?

Does he have two healing factors? One for armies, one for bricks?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Aren't you saying that a PIS for other characters is also a SVFL for Wolverine?
Of course THOSE examples of "pis for other characters ARE SVFL for wolverine. . .

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Does he take all of the armies damage in one single blow? I take it you do know what instantly means btw.

Does he now have one healing factor for armies, one for the Hulk?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
No I've been reviewing Tron's rules lately. I categorised them accordingly.

PIS for one character is also SVFL for the other right?

Since one is reaching down, and the other is reaching up?

Wouldn't SVFL be FL's PIS?

Originally posted by Creshosk
I want the healing to fluctuate?

You do, you just said it shouldn't be set to a limit on this forum.

I'm saying it should be noted like it is in the tourney...

[QUOTE=4923156]Originally posted by Creshosk
[B]I'm the one that says he heals from armies damage instantly, so he should be able to heal from other types of damage instantly.

I'm saying you are acting like a fanboy, and thats a major case of pis/cis.

Does wolverine spend a majority of his time fighting armies?

This is ridiculous, sad indeed, wolverine has been put out by minor explosions, bullets have kept him down, thats when he used skill, but now he's the ****ING HULK!!

Originally posted by Creshosk
You guys are the ones that are saying "He can survive armies, but he can't survive the Hulk" because you guys are implying that there are two different ones.

Where did I say this, please point it out.

How much you want to bet you can't?

Stop taking what I say out of context please...

Originally posted by Creshosk
There aren't. There is one healing factor that functions far beter than you give it creidt for. . . or at least for bludgening blows, you do seem to accept it functions well for everything else. .

No, your problem is you try to put shit in my mouth that I didn't say, and its getting annoying.

Concussive force is harder to heal from, causes internal bleeding, etc. Than say, a cut.

Originally posted by Creshosk
I'm saying that it doesn't have the limits that you guys seem to think it does.

But you haven't given a limit, all you are doing is saying" YOU'RE WRONG EVERYONE HATES WOLVERINE, I HATE PUBERTY!!!!"

Whatever, lets let the majority decide that, and not hardcore fans.

Originally posted by Creshosk
the non fight where he was just standing there? Non-fights are credible evidence? Like Sue beating Emma?

WHat does standing there have to do with healing?

Not a thing, thats what, stop being a damned fanboy, or I'm going to ignore your contradicting posts.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Because Wolverine has PIS feats as well? Yeah, the minority 10% dictates what he is huh?

You guys are ALWAYS using shit for your arguments.

"wolverine leaps 50 feet in the air"

"wolverine moves faster than the speed of sound"

I call you on that shit, its not a comic battle, I could care less about who beat who when, I want to know why.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Then shouldn't the lesser 10% dictate the other characters as well? Why only Wolverine?

Bullshit, you think wolverine is consistant 90% of the time?

This has FANBOY written all over it...

We had this discussion, and the vast majority understand that wolverine is horridly inconcsistant.

10% my ass, more like 60%.

You are getting quite pathetic taking my comments out of context, and discussing semantics.

Originally posted by pr1983
Guys... isnt this a tad off topic?

nope...we're right on schedule for any threads discussing wolverine or wolverine related material....

pages 1-10 actual topic

pages 20-40 debate on what wolverine's done and why he can't do any of them....ever

by about page 50 and onwards we should be hitting the redundancy/member bashing portion of the thread (what I refer to as the wolverine "fanboy" tribute)

we should be dying off around page 70 or 100 at most....

two weeks later we're slated for a smart ass remark to kickstart things back up again, and then we'll have another redundancy/bashing portion of the thread throughout it's duration, which will be momentarily interjected by noob's thinking this thread's about the actual fight and stating their opinions of who will win without giving any reasons...

yup...we're right on task according to my "i hate wolvie" date book.
😉

Originally posted by Creshosk
I know what it means.

Does he now have one healing factor for armies, one for the Hulk?

Do you know what that word means?

I'm having trouble thinking you don't.

Originally posted by Creshosk
I notice that you didn't put any Hulk vs Wolverine fights up there.

PIS for one character is also SVFL for the other right?

Since one is reaching down, and the other is reaching up?

Wouldn't SVFL be FL's PIS?