Originally posted by xmarksthespotWhich is why its a pain in the ass to debate with him, I wish I could fine that post he typed...
Well from the Superman thing he wrote... it appears that he does not.
He thinks PIS should count, and is essential to a character, he should just discuss characters and put up cool pics, instead of debating them...
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Originally posted by jinzin
Okay lets get some facts straight right off the bat......In Wolverine's first encounter with the hulk, wolverine got hit not by one but two sucker shots, the first being that he was slammed to the ground with enough force to shatter the chains that bound him.
Wolverine has beaten the Hulk in Hulk 8, (yes it was with the help of natural gas in the face, but it's still a victory in much the same way spiderman "beat" juggernaught in their first encounter,,,,esp. since wolverine was sportin bone claws and survived a few full on shots fom the hulk that sent him airborne.). then........wolverine did almost kill the Hulk back in wolverine 145. wolverine also kind of won in the marvel knight wolverine ulk 4 part mini, he didn't win in a fight, but he took more punishment than the hulk did. THEN,,, wolverine more than held his own against a hugely pissed off hulk in inc hulk 345 (I think). Now I do agree, however, that Hulk can smash wolverine, absolutely..... into a big grody red spot, but the fact still remains (as is true for most Wolvie vs. fights) that one good claw swipe to the vitals and the fight takes a different direction. Wolverine's fought Hulk numerous times and they've beaten, and stalemated eachother pretty evenly. The entire avengers have problems facing the Hulk, I think it's damned impressive that wolverine can hold him by his own.
To say that wolverine can't take punches from WW is somewhat ignorant of many of his past showings I mean I understand that he's been written very inconsistantly standing up to shots from namor, tossing vision into a van, almost killing hulk, putting thing down in one blow, and knocking abomination uncounsious in one book, and then getting beaten with two stabs, KOed by an old guy in slippers, and put down by a flick to the face from thing in the next. However, if this fight's to remain interesting in the least I'm assuming we're talking about wolverine on one of his "good days". I agree that WW would probably hand wolverine his little hairy ass to him, but the fact still remains, she don't have a hulk healing factor, or superman durability, one decent shot from logan to...anything and this fight ain't so one sided anymore.
Is wolverine gonna hit diana? who knows in comic book fights....it's circumstantial (I mean batman shouldn't even be able to lay a hand on supes,,,,but he's knocked him out with a punch, and even beat him up as an old man. Kripto or not, supes should be moving way to fast for bats to even lay a finger, but it's happened.) To say that "WW getting tagged by wolverine is out of the question" is slightly ignorant of comic books in general. For a little guy that's caught a character capable of moving at light speed, and richocheted (can't remember his name right now,,,,he bounces around at ridiculously fast speeds) I would say wolverine hitting the amazon is plausible.
Will wolverine lose? it's the most likely result.
can wolverine slice WW open like a can of tuna? iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiindeeeeeed.
p.s. you guys may hate fan boys....I'm not big "fan" of em myself. But whatsmore, I hate it when people make retarded assumptions about things despite characters past showings (at least when it's not a joke). WW's punches are not going to eradicate wolvie's flesh from his bones and wolverine isn't cutting through anything if or when he gets lassoed like a calf...... and that's that. "
"Unfortunately you COMPLETELY wasted your time because this ISN'T comics. This a forum where CIS and PIS is ignored.
You need to stop amping up lightweighters beyond their abilities."
-Draco 69
Originally posted by xmarksthespotJinzin thinks wolverine can win 4/10.
There was a a WW vs Wolverine thread? Why?
His post should have proved that wolverine ko'ing thing, abom, and hulk was pure bs.
He said so himself...
I'm getting quite tired of "wolverine beat xxxx, so he beats xxx arguments"
Along with the usual, "wolverine took a hit from the hulk, so NOONE can hurt him"
And the"wolverine is the best at what he does"
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Well from the Superman thing he wrote... it appears that he does not.
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here's the thing you're debating what wolverine's capabilities are and question what's within his capability to do no matter how many times he does it, simply because it doesn't make sense to you... in that same notion if superman's flight doesn't make sense, than hypothetically speaking shall it be deemed pis as well?
i asked you a question that's concept-related to exactly what your trying to argue here.... don't tell me you're having a difficult time keeping up with your own arguments... :erm:
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterSo wait, now I'm acting like a fanboy for wanting there to be one level for the healing factor? 😕
I'm saying you are acting like a fanboy, and thats a major case of pis/cis.
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterI don't think you grasp the concept of what I'm saying.
Does wolverine spend a majority of his time fighting armies?
Situation A {When he fights armies} what happens?
Situation B {when he fights the hulk} what happens?
Both situations have occred often enough for there to be a majority of the times when he fights A or B. . . What happens in either? The Majority of A and the Majority of B?
I'm not saying the majority of his carrer is A or B.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
This is ridiculous, sad indeed, wolverine has been put out by minor explosions, bullets have kept him down, thats when he used skill, but now he's the ****ING HULK!![/vb]/So Wolverine's PIS overides the majority?[QUOTE=4923227]Originally posted by Tha C-Master
[B]Where did I say this, please point it out.
How much you want to bet you can't?
Stop taking what I say out of context please...[/b]
Not you, but your side: "Which army has soldiers that hit with cl100 force again? "
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterThen don't imply it, and I won't point out what you're implying.
No, your problem is you try to put shit in my mouth that I didn't say, and its getting annoying.
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterThen bruises are fatal?
Concussive force is harder to heal from, causes internal bleeding, etc. Than say, a cut.
Cause bruises are internal bleeding. . . Internal bleeding is harder to treat, and untreated neither can really be healed from by normal humans. Of course since Wolverine can heal external bleeding much faster, who's to say he can't do the same for internal?
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterNo, I'm saying that the limit is higher than what you want it to be.
But you haven't given a limit, all you are doing is saying" YOU'RE WRONG EVERYONE HATES WOLVERINE, I HATE PUBERTY!!!!"
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterYes, because the opinions of the uneducated are so much more reliable than the well informed. . . or how about we don't rely on opinion at all? No more ad populem argumetns okay?
Whatever, lets let the majority decide that, and not hardcore fans.
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterBecause it wasn't a fight, and he was taken out that quickly for the plat? thus Wolverine PIS?
WHat does standing there have to do with healing?
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterSo lacking any otehr argument you're going to resort to ad hominem attacks and call me a fanboy to attempt to discredit my points, rather than countering them?
Not a thing, thats what, stop being a damned fanboy, or I'm going to ignore your contradicting posts.
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterIt's not out of conntext in the slightest. Its EXACTLY what you're doing. You pop up with something that happens infrequently and expect that to be the standard.
Please stop taking what I say out of context, its stupid and annoying.
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterThank's for the hyperbole of statments I never made.
You guys are ALWAYS using shit for your arguments."wolverine leaps 50 feet in the air"
"wolverine moves faster than the speed of sound"
Find me exactly where I said that wolverine can leap fifty feet in the air and where I said that Wolverine moves faster than the speed of sound.
Chances are you exagerated things I did say. thus forming a strawman argument.
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterYou exagerate my statements, hardly the same thing.
I call you on that shit,
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterNo, you don't. you just want to see your characters win. When we try to explain "why" we get called a fanboy.
its not a comic battle, I could care less about who beat who when, I want to know why.
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterCould you try rephrasing that?
Bullshit, you think wolverine is consistant 90% of the time?
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterAnd this has "I have no way to counter so I'm going to ad hominem in order to discredit and ignore the point.
This has FANBOY written all over it...
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterAd populem arguments are great. And you still haven't explained why him being in consistant means that we have to use the minority 10% of the time.
We had this discussion, and the vast majority understand that wolverine is horridly inconcsistant.
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterMy ass. 60% of what you've read. 10% of what I've read, and chances are I've ream more than you since I collect the comics.
10% my ass, more like 60%.
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterLikewise buddy. Likewise.
You are getting quite pathetic taking my comments out of context, and discussing semantics.
Jinzin, they are trying to say that it is PIS for the Hulk not Wolverine. Why? Because they think that if Wolverine isn't koed in one hit by a brick it must be crap because it doesn't fit in with their flawed ideas and limited experinece with Wolverine... dispite being nothing to even sujest that Hulk (sub in one of the dozens of bricks Wolverine has fought) has been depowered.
Originally posted by srankmissingninWhy would it be hinted at?
Jinzin, they are trying to say that it is PIS for the Hulk not Wolverine. Why? Because they think that if Wolverine isn't koed in one hit by a brick it must be crap because it doesn't fit in with their flawed ideas and limited experinece with Wolverine... dispite being nothing to even sujest that Hulk (sub in one of the dozens of bricks Wolverine has fought) has been depowered.
Do they go "oh I'm depowered".
We are having problems grasping PIS/CIS here, its pIS for the whole scene.
Take die and drop it in the water, is half the cup of water red, or the ENTIRE cup?
Originally posted by xmarksthespotYou know what he means, why get on his case about it witha "It's SVFL not PIS!" sort of statment?
Did you read the PIS rule or not? This isn't whether it makes sense to me in terms of real world physics or biology. The Superman analogy you posted is completely flawed.