Jedi Exile (dark side) vs. Darth Sidious

Remember, if in KOTOR 2 the exile falls to the dark side, he discovers how to sever someone's connection to the force completely from Kreia/Darth Traya.

That's a lie. The reason why the force connection is "cut", is found in cut conversations. Vash explains that when someone experiences a vast change in the light - dark spectrum, the force connection is cut.

She tells you that this happened when her apprentice Kaah briefly fell to the darkside, she could no longer sense him and thought him dead.

This is in the case of Traya "falling" back to the darkside. She doesn't fall, but undergoes a massive change in appearance.

Oh, and what the hell does that matter to this duel!?

Well, there's just one thing: Kreia was able to sap people instantly. We only see the exile do that once he's formally defeated opponents. Big difference there.

I don't remember that, but I think Sidious would win. To me, the Exile is just above an average Jedi Master. He's a little better than Kavar. Sidious could take him and the Handmaiden at the same time.

Well, I haven't gone through KOTOR 2 enough to have much of it memorized and I haven't played it for 4 months... I've forgotten much, but I know that the exile was actually pretty strong. He defeated Nihilus, Sion, and Traya. If you ask me, that's a pretty impressive resume.

The Exile was helped by Visas and Mandalore. He didn't defeat Sion, at least not per se. Traya held back in the last fight anyway.

Traya let him when. Sion was pretty much suicidal, and Nihilus required help from Canderous and whats her name. The three Jedi that he might have killed, but probably didn't, were all close fights that he had a chance to recover from between battles. THat is why I put him just above them.

... Well, I'm not really too much of a stickler for detail. But I still think that the exile would at least have a chance against Sidious.

I'd agree.

The exile wouldn't stand a great chance against sisious. Traya is about as powerful as sidious, she could've beaten the exile but chose not to.

Traya is far more powerful than Sidious. The Exile would have a good chance though.

Originally posted by Dimmimar
The Exile was helped by Visas and Mandalore. He didn't defeat Sion, at least not per se. Traya held back in the last fight anyway.

I still have a hard time believing that Traya held back in that fight. Despite the fact that gameplay proves jack squat if you always base things on assumtions then your never going to get strait answers. Like for instance when Kreia claims looking at Revan was like looking at the Heart of Force...people seem to think she is a dubious source for this. Why? What reason would she have to lie about something like that? The game desiners didn't put her in there as a false source of info they put her in there to help clear up all the unanswered questions of Revan's fall ect. I think people tend to forget that its only a game and when you start breaking down every diolouge into its base meaning and reason then you go into the realm of a true nerd. While only a fool takes everything at face value a game is limited to how in depth it can be.

While it is highly probable that Kreia was holding back in the fight between the Exile...we really don't know now do we?

Sidious will win...

Originally posted by Rand al'Thor
I still have a hard time believing that Traya held back in that fight. Despite the fact that gameplay proves jack squat if you always base things on assumtions then your never going to get strait answers. Like for instance when Kreia claims looking at Revan was like looking at the Heart of Force...people seem to think she is a dubious source for this. Why? What reason would she have to lie about something like that? The game desiners didn't put her in there as a false source of info they put her in there to help clear up all the unanswered questions of Revan's fall ect. I think people tend to forget that its only a game and when you start breaking down every diolouge into its base meaning and reason then you go into the realm of a true nerd. While only a fool takes everything at face value a game is limited to how in depth it can be.

While it is highly probable that Kreia was holding back in the fight between the Exile...we really don't know now do we?

No, any more than it is possible that Ragnos could defeat Sadow. He could smash his head on a rock.

You just have to go with what is likely, most of this forum is filled with hypothetical theories, which are based upon the likely-hood of one character beating another.

The exile has fought battles before, and killed dark jedi and Sith. No one else that Sidious fought did.

True, you raise a valid point Janus. The Exile probably has more combat experience as well. It depends on how long the Mandalorian Wars lasted.

I don't see how the Exile has suddenly dropped to such a low level. . .

Actually, the Mandalorian Wars lasted something like three years, didn't they?

the exile would destroy sidious. As far as im concerned sidious never became that powerful but was very intelligent, manipulative and persuasive. The exile was able to learn numerous force techninques and became a great duelist which is way more than can be said for sidious. The best case scenario for sidious is to run away or hide, he would never beat the exile.

Originally posted by Lord Janus
The exile has fought battles before, and killed dark jedi and Sith. No one else that Sidious fought did.

Where did the Exile kill Jedi and Sith ? He didn't participated in the Jedi Civil war and there were no Sith / Jedi to kill in the Mandalorian Wars. And please remember that those Sith soldiers are no real "Sith" and you can stealth through parts of the game without fighting anybody (e.g. Trayus Academy).

So the only people the Exile had to kill were:
- Nihilus (with the help of Visas and Mandalore)
- Sion (talking him into death)
- Traya (who might have faked the fight)

At least it is told that the Exile was an "average Jedi" with the only special thing about him being that he creates connections to other people through the force. Would an "average Jedi" be able to defeat Sidious ? I pretty much doubt it.