Jedi Exile (dark side) vs. Darth Sidious

nai fohl that reasoning is not actually right. Do you really think he used stealth in the trayus academy. He killed loads of dark jedi, not only in the trayus academy but also in freedon nadd's tomb. When is it told that exile was an average jedi.

Actually his reasoning is 'nai' perfect. 'Nai', 'nigh', get it?

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You're going by your gameplay experience. meaning that just because you fought through twenty Dark Jedi, the canonical story of KOTOR 2 had the Exile fight through twenty Dark Jedi. Wrong. Because by that logic, just because I was swarmed and nearly killed by a group of Jedi in the ROTS game, Anakin was nearly killed by a group of Jedi in the canonical story.

So, for all we know, the Exile could simply have turned on his stealth equipment and snuck through the Academy.

And FYI, in a holo-recording, Jedi masters are seen speaking to eachother, and while discussing the Exile, mention him as 'an average Jedi', although I doubt the wording was just that, Nai.

Vrook calls him a "mediocre Jedi." but Vandar calls him an "exceptional leader."

So? He is a great leader, thats for sure. He has Charisma and he is popular. Not to mention people bond to him really fast, now that doesn't say anything about his fighting skills.

Originally posted by kingkman
nai fohl that reasoning is not actually right. Do you really think he used stealth in the trayus academy.

It doesn't matter what I think. The fact is that you CAN stealth through the entire academy and thereby the Exile could have done that.

He killed loads of dark jedi, not only in the trayus academy but also in freedon nadd's tomb.

LOL. Great. The Exile did never enter Freedon Nadds tomb because while his mates attacked the tomb he was busy fighting on Onderon...

When is it told that exile was an average jedi.

If you repair the droid at the landing space on Dantooine in KotoR 2 you will see a holo-recording with Vrook and Vandar (I think) and they are referring to the Exile as "average Jedi".

Vrook is the only one that calls the Exile mediocre, Vandar seems to praise him.

Vrook and Vandar look at different things. I trust Vrook more then I do Vandar on this particulair situation.

Vrook is a pessimistic bastard, Vandar seems more level headed and far less bitter.

Vrook got angry there, because he recognise that the other Padawans were quick to do what the exile did.

Does somebody have the entire conversation? It will be easier to judge the situation then.

I don't have KotOR handy at the moment, so I can't get a quote sorry.

I do, but I would have to get to Dantooine first, and I dont'feel like doing that....

ok i forgot about the freedon nadd part but as you said, you used stealth which means he could have been able to do that, i killed them all which therefor means that he was also able to do that aswell. and vrook only calls him average because he was pessemistic and dissapointed thta he went to fight in the mandalorian wars

No it doesn't mean he could do either.

He could perhaps kill them all or he could sneak past them all. Point is we don't know, the Exile only has a few people that he has to kill... We don't know if he can or can not kill the others, we don't know if he can or can not sneak past them. We simply do not know.

no fishy i was replying to nai fohl."The fact is that you CAN stealth through the entire academy and thereby the Exile could have done that. " Thta is what nai fohl said and so i replied that using that reasoning the exile could have killed all those dark jedi because i was able to in kotor2

No, Nai Fohl said since you CAN stealth through the temple, it would be wrong to assume anything happened, hence it is invalid in an argument -- invalid means doesn't go one way or the other, it is simply thrown out.

Get a vocabulary kid.

"It doesn't matter what I think. The fact is that you CAN stealth through the entire academy and thereby the Exile could have done that. " im sorry but this is what he said. i dont think anyone can interpret that into whta you just said

Could have done that.

Do you need me to get you the definition on "could." Simply because he COULD have done it by virtue of gameplay does not mean he did. Therefore, the argument there is invalid, as it's a dynamic gameplay experience. You can't make a conclusion off of that.

yeah i know illustrious but the argument was not that but whether he could kill all of those dark jedi.

Ahhh. The question as old as time. Did the Exile sneak through the entire game?

My answer. HELL NO!!! Do you really think that the game makers would expect someone to play the entire game without ever engagin in cobat? That just doesn't fit in with my logic.

Even if the Exile did use stealth, he had to have beaten Sion. Sure he attacked Sion's will, but he forced him to regenerate in the area of three times. That, added with killing Nihilus and Kreia, means he has to be a pimp fighter. I still don't think he would be enough to defeat Sidious though.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
My answer. HELL NO!!! Do you really think that the game makers would expect someone to play the entire game without ever engagin in cobat? That just doesn't fit in with my logic.

It doesn't matter what the game makers expected. I didn't expect a Jedi sneaking through the death star without attacking anybody just to give up his life when he's engaged in combat but it still happened in ANH.

Even if the Exile did use stealth, he had to have beaten Sion. Sure he attacked Sion's will, but he forced him to regenerate in the area of three times. That, added with killing Nihilus and Kreia, means he has to be a pimp fighter. I still don't think he would be enough to defeat Sidious though.

You can switch to solo mode and whipe Nihilus with Visas only. And well...how strong are Nihilus and Sion that the Exile must have been a "pimp fighter" to defeat them ?