Jedi Exile (dark side) vs. Darth Sidious

Originally posted by Nai
Where did the Exile kill Jedi and Sith ? He didn't participated in the Jedi Civil war and there were no Sith / Jedi to kill in the Mandalorian Wars. And please remember that those Sith soldiers are no real "Sith" and you can stealth through parts of the game without fighting anybody (e.g. Trayus Academy).

So the only people the Exile had to kill were:
- Nihilus (with the help of Visas and Mandalore)
- Sion (talking him into death)
- Traya (who might have faked the fight)

At least it is told that the Exile was an "average Jedi" with the only special thing about him being that he creates connections to other people through the force. Would an "average Jedi" be able to defeat Sidious ? I pretty much doubt it.

She does deserve some credit... After all she took the entire Trayus Academy,both Sion(in good talker mod) and Traya(really fairly). And if anyone doesn't agree with what I am saying,Traya was amped by the Core of Malachor V and gave her extra-power to fight The Jedi Exile(after all Malachor V was a dark side nexus as far as I recall) But I have to admit that when the Exile came to face him,Nihilus was already starved,drained,exhausted and weak...

Darth Sidious wins.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Darth Sidious wins.

Dark Exile is the Darth Nihilus 2.0.v,therefore she wins through unblockable Force drain&Sever Force hybrid drain in instant.

You can't defeat a hole in the Force naturally,you need to take away their nourishment from where they take their Force powers.

That's some pretty shitty logic, since she's only been shown to use it after already defeating her opponents, something she won't do here. The Exile has never been shown as "Nihilus 2.0."

Sidious stomps

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
That's some pretty shitty logic, since she's only been shown to use it after already defeating her opponents, something she won't do here. The Exile has never been shown as "Nihilus 2.0."

Dude you heard/read carefully what I even said?

That unusual Force drain leech(I doubt that's even a technique),she masters it completely only after she defeates Darth Traya as KingDubya stated.

Also non-canonically,the author of Nihilus said the he would have represented in fact the dark side or"ghostly" nature of the Jedi Exile.

"Nihilus' exact identity is never specified in K2 - I had a specific origin in mind, but not a name, if that makes sense, and what I say hear [sic] is not canon: He was created when Malachor V was torn apart, and he was intended as the Exile's other half, one that took a more self-destructive path rather than denying the Force during that battle that ended the Mandalorian Wars." ->Dark Jedi Exile=Darth Nihilus 2.0.
―Chris Avellone

And frankly that's just the game's mechanics... While I could beat Master Vrook in 45 minutes,you could do that in 5 or 8 minutes.

This means that those fights in KotOR II doesn't matter when comes about novel or comic book characters. And as far as I recall,the Dark Exile "sucks" Vrook's essence(spirit),not just siphons some of his energy.

And she did that to any of those Masters while they were still standing on their feet.

And Meetra Surik(light side canon version) has a completely different Wound nature than Darth Nihilus.

While Meetra Surik unconsciously drains some of the energy,she gives back that strength(you could say she has a symbiotical nature) while Darth Nihilus drains completely someone,including his/her spirit, what strength he takes he doesn't give it back(you could say he has a parasitic nature)

Again, we deal in feats here. No one cares about your opinion on what you think the Exile should be like based on Avellone saying Nihilus was the Exile's mirror at one point in their respective existences. So no, it's not game mechanics when that's literally the only time it happens and has ever been said to happen.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Again, we deal in feats here. No one cares about your opinion on what you think the Exile should be like based on Avellone saying Nihilus was the Exile's mirror at one point in their respective existences. So no, it's not game mechanics when that's literally the only time it happens and has ever been said to happen.

Enlight me now!

We speak about Meetra Surik(LS) or the Jedi Exile(DS) ?

Why many of you cannot think to the possibilty,that Sidious' Eclipses I and II are real dark side amping devices?
I mean it is really obvious that many of his god-like feats can revolve around his Eclipses. He performed after all those feats in his battleships,like Force storms(wormholes) or Byss' draining(20 or 40 billions)

I mean it is quite obvious even if it isn't stated in the Dark Empire comics.
And when Sidious' holografic presence created a Force storm(Whirlwind+Force lightning) on Vjun,was because the planet was a dark side nexus too.

The dark side could easily be channeled through something by the use of dark-side-aligned objects or items, which Sidious had and could easily acquire from planets like Korriban or Vjun.

Also, considering that the Eclipse is like a miniature Death Star, it could easily create disturbances in the Force/rifts that can easily channel the Force through it. Given in the same comic book series he used cloning technology to cheat death. I can't see why he wouldn't create a flagship that would amp up his dark side powers?

Like I said, why the heck not? The ship is already a stupid huge fanboy supership with a death star superlaser and magically piloted yet unpiloted superTIEs, so why can't it have magic Force amplifying powers too? I really dislike this ship and the entire comic it's from.

To be strictly fair, Palpatine was not the best example of a Rule of Two Sith. In fact, he expressly dismissed their most important tradition, the training of an apprentice to surpass him. All of his apprentices, even Anakin/Vader, were intended to serve him but never to surpass him. We cannot reasonably assume that he would follow their other traditions when given a choice between tradition and greater power.

I have no idea where that all came from but I do like the idea that Sidious could feel the brunt of the amped arguments for once.

Let's actually see evidence first because so far, all it is is an angry spite theory because everyone is saying Sidious would shit on his hypothetical Exile.

Originally posted by Trocity
Let's actually see evidence first because so far, all it is is an angry spite theory because everyone is saying Sidious would shit on his hypothetical Exile.

I didn't speak about the Exile,nor it has anything to do about her. I only stated how Sidious could achieve his divine powers. And this is a feasible theory which might be true in fact.

...LOL. Sidious curbstomps. The Exile's not anywhere near his weight class. Exile's not even in Revan's weight class, for that matter, and Revan is outgunned himself.

Originally posted by Angelalex242
...LOL. Sidious curbstomps. The Exile's not anywhere near his weight class. Exile's not even in Revan's weight class, for that matter, and Revan is outgunned himself.

Are you f***ing kidding me!?
Not being declared a master,doesn't indicate your strength.

The Jedi Exile defeated Darth Sion(amped by Malachor 5) both in flesh and believe(though he cannot really be killed)

She defeated Darth Nihilus with her friends(yet when she arrived Nihilus was already on his knees. She defeated him,only because she was a Wound in the Force. If Nihilus was ready and completely fed,I think they'd have been equal)

She defeated Darth Traya while she too was amped by the dark energies on Malachor 5.
She took out an entire Sith Academy full of Dark Jedi,Sith Warriors and Sith Marauders by herself.

Revan(if you mean KotOR I) defeated really easily Malak and Bastila Shan.

While you will say me that they were amped by the Star Forge,the Star Forge isn't really an amping device of the Force,it is just a robot factory and a place where you can keep Force sensitives to replenish your wounds.
The Star Forge doesn't make your more powerful,just heals you,unlike the Jedi Exile who defeated Traya amped by the dark miasmas of Malachor 5's Core.

You really discredit her...

I don't think you quite understand Sidious. There are only two perfect 10s in star wars...Grandmaster Luke Skywalker and Darth Sidious. And only GM Luke (and deific beings like the Ones of Mortis or Bedlam Spirits) can and probably will solo Sidious. Anyone else who tries is doomed. And I mean ANYONE else.

Originally posted by Freedon Nadd

To be strictly fair, Palpatine was not the best example of a Rule of Two Sith. In fact, he expressly dismissed their most important tradition, the training of an apprentice to surpass him. All of his apprentices, even Anakin/Vader, were intended to serve him but never to surpass him. We cannot reasonably assume that he would follow their other traditions when given a choice between tradition and greater power.

"You will not stop me. Lord Vader will become more powerful than either of us."

Anakin would've surprassed him, except for that whole getting limbs chopped off thing. Kinda took him down SEVERAL pegs, that.

Originally posted by Dark-Kenshin
G-Canon tells us Anakin was intended to surpass him.

"You will not stop me. Lord Vader will become more powerful than either of us."

If so why didn't he send a flying drone or a medical capsule to stay hidden and interfere if something happens with Vader(sliced and burned) with a small army on a vessel having jetpacks to watch Vader's back?

If Palpatine is, "Everything goes as I have foreseen."

And if you go by G-Cannon then no events after ROTJ didn't happen,and I don't take in acoount the movie novels. Therefore the Exile stomps Sidious easily.

Originally posted by Angelalex242
I don't think you quite understand Sidious. There are only two perfect 10s in star wars...Grandmaster Luke Skywalker and Darth Sidious. And only GM Luke (and deific beings like the Ones of Mortis or Bedlam Spirits) can and probably will solo Sidious. Anyone else who tries is doomed. And I mean ANYONE else.

Put Darth Nihilus,and Sidious is eaten for good. I will explain if you want why is that on another thread.

How silly.

Sidious vs. Nihilus threads have been done before. Sidious wins every time. You are entitled to your opinion, of course...but you will find few share it.