Originally posted by Angelalex242
How silly.Sidious vs. Nihilus threads have been done before. Sidious wins every time. You are entitled to your opinion, of course...but you will find few share it.
The only defense from Nihilus' technique is becoming a Wound in the Force, just like him. Otherwise anything touched by the Force would be ripped away, the Force destroyed, and the life-force consumed. All physical matter would appear to have been disintegrated or demoleculorized.
Again, I may be the minority in this, but I think this is one opponent that even Sidious would lose against in a direct confrontation.
While Wookieepedia is a competent website, I wouldn't say it is a 100% reliable source anymore than I would with any other internet wiki. Don't get me wrong, I go there too when I want information, but really the sources behind the page are good to look at. 😛
For instance, if I type Darth Nihilus on Wookieepedia and examine his powers, virtually all the sources on them are from the tabletop d20 game "Star Wars RPG Saga Edition" produced by Wizards of the Coast, and the video game 'KotOR 2'. The information on his abilities are purely what was built into the respective games' mechanics. Game mechanics are a representation of a character's abilities that brings them down to a balanced, playable level, which unfortunately makes them non-canon. If it had been Obsidian who produced the "Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide" for the d20 game, I doubt they would have even bothered to state Nihilus at all as he could snuff out any Jedi players simply by looking in the general direction of the party's ship as it approached the Ravager -- let alone being in the same room as him. (Let's not, again, bring up the many circumstances behind his most, and possibly only, known lightsabers-blazing duel)
I agree that his ability to feed on the Force needs greater clarification beyond that it is purely "instinctual". It is unfortunate that Obsidian had the rug pulled out from under them before even finishing KotOR 2 or being able to produce a KotOR 3.
Working from what we have, Nihilus is able to consume the Force itself and anything it touches on a planetary scale, at an extremely fast rate. It is also implied that the scale at which he feeds grows with each feeding. From this alone, I don't see any Force User surviving the encounter. Every Force User relies on the Force to achieve all of their incredible feats, and Nihilus feeds on it.
(And many share my opinion,not a just a few) 😉
Originally posted by Kosmos Supreme
Sidious is marginally superior to Vitiate who made Darth Nyriss look like a joke in comparrison. Darth Nyriss took on the Exile while she was being backed up by a pre-prime Lord Scourge, and she ran circles around them.
However,Nyriss was on Dromund Kaas and in her compound which was apparently so filled to the brim with Sith artifacts that she was using Holocrons for amps. So yes she was most definitely amped and basically speedblitzed her opponents because of it.
Note: Here we speak about the Dark Jedi Exile,not the Jedi Exile. We don't know how the story ends in the dark side ending,but she becomes a Darth Nihilus 2.0
We know the Exile was able to 'harness and unlock the full power of the Light Side of the Force' via her Enlightenment after the reconvening of the Jedi Council in Exile and was highly proficient in the use of Sever Force and many other very powerful abilities.
We do know from the Revan novel that she felt the Dark Side 'surround' her after entering the atmosphere clearly feeling the effects of the miasma of Dark Side energy that covered the planet, we also know she had little time to recover from the nearly fatal journey upon Nathema, we also know that many other Jedi including Ben, Kyle, Yoda, Jaina and Mara-Jade all felt their connections to the Light Side diminish or in the most severe case in Kyle, turn completely to the Dark Side, the planet clearly had severe effects on Light Side users.
Simply put we came to the conclusion that the Exile's quite poor performances on Dromund Kaas were simply because:
1.She was 1%,not 100% of herself
2.Simply couldn't use all of her powers
Also Revan can call upon either side of the Force and has done repeated times, the HoT had his mind shielded from Dark Side effects by the ghost of Master Orgus Din whilst Yoda, Jaina, Ben, Kyle and Mara-Jade all had migraines to full Dark Side corruption happen to them on the same planet.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Even if any of the aforementioned was true, which I don't believe is the case, that is still severely lacking against an opponent of the very highest calibre. Darth Sidious wins solidly.
Sidious might stomp Jedi Exile,but we speak about her dark side ending where she became a Nihilus 2.0
And to make a paranthesis,but I still don't believe it anyways...
If you know that Sidious is the supreme darky boss and Luke the supreme lighty boss,why you still waste your time making debates? I don't see your point...
Or you seem doubt as well of the idea as "Sidious the most powerful Dark Lord" or "Luke the strongest Jedi Master"... :/
Originally posted by Stigma
No. Dark Side Yoda and Full Potential Anakin are darky boss and lighty boss, respectively.
"Full Potential Anakin" is just a dream,he has lost some of his potential,so this doesn't count at all.
"Dark Side Yoda"?
I never heard or read any source or a comic book,that would suggest that Yoda was affilated with the dark side or the Sith.
I think you refer about his dark side version when he sojourned on Korriban,that was nothing more but a mere illusion of the Sith side,or he had to conquer his own inner demons.
Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
However,Nyriss was on Dromund Kaas and in her compound which was apparently so filled to the brim with Sith artifacts that she was using Holocrons for amps. So yes she was most definitely amped and basically speedblitzed her opponents because of it.Note: Here we speak about the Dark Jedi Exile,not the Jedi Exile. We don't know how the story ends in the dark side ending,but she becomes a Darth Nihilus 2.0
Even if she was amped her performance indicates she was still no match for Revan, let alone Vitiate
Sidious > Vitiate (not by much but Sidious is still considered the No.1 sith lord even pre Dark Empire)
Vitiate > Revan (Vitiate has Revan on the ground in pain with a single charged up lightning attack)
Revan > Nyriss (even if she was amped at that time she was still no match for that version of revan who in turn was no match for Vitiate)
Nyriss > The Exile + Pre-Wrath Scourge
Originally posted by Kosmos Supreme
Even if she was amped her performance indicates she was still no match for Revan, let alone Vitiate
Sidious > Vitiate (not by much but Sidious is still considered the No.1 sith lord even pre Dark Empire)
Vitiate > Revan (Vitiate has Revan on the ground in pain with a single charged up lightning attack)
Revan > Nyriss (even if she was amped at that time she was still no match for that version of revan who in turn was no match for Vitiate)
Nyriss > The Exile + Pre-Wrath Scourge
Here anyways we were speaking earilier about the Dark Exile,not her good version that we came to that. It is impossible to argument her feats since we cannot her after the ending of KotOR II.
Vitiate>Revan? Wasn't because Vitiate was always amped by his trinkets and toys?
Revan > Nyriss (even if she was amped at that time she was still no match for that version of revan who in turn was no match for Vitiate) Because Revan can control both sides,and he can be augumented too to an extent.
Nyriss > The Exile + Pre-Wrath Scourge
I don't think Pre-Wrath Scourge is such a good saber IMHO,nor with the Force I think he was just developing his powers.
Revan beat Nyriss because he was flat out more powerful, Vitiate couldn't channel both the light and the dark side either but he still had revan beat in one lightning blast. And regarless of what amp's Nyriss had her at that level of power was well above The exile and well below Revan.
Also we don't know if Dark Side Exile would be that much more powerful than the regular one.
Originally posted by Kosmos Supreme
Revan beat Nyriss because he was flat out more powerful, Vitiate couldn't channel both the light and the dark side either but he still had revan beat in one lightning blast. And regarless of what amp's Nyriss had her at that level of power was well above The exile and well below Revan.Also we don't know if Dark Side Exile would be that much more powerful than the regular one.
She'd have become a Nihilus 2.0 THE END
Dark Exile wins. HAPPY DARK SIDE ENDING!!!
You can't say the dark exile is strong both in Force and saber,but you can't say she is weak either.
So here I would say it's a draw.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
You still haven't given a source that proves anything you've been yelling as fact for neigh on a week and a half now.
Dude are you on crack or something...
She has that devastating ability as Nihilus.
She had that "wounding" ability too,but because she went lightsided,she simple changed her nature. Even so,she still unconsciously did do what Nihilus does to people(let's not say planets cause she isn't quite like that) She still drained,better said fed Force energy from her friends,she still devoured in that relationship,but the amount she did was very small and insignificant.(here is about the LS-ed version)
And consider it not non-canon but "alternative canon",because in way that is "official alternative"(here is about the DS-ed version) 😉 
Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
Dude are you on crack or something...She has that devastating ability as Nihilus.
She had that "wounding" ability too,but because she went lightsided,she simple changed her nature. Even so,she still unconsciously did do what Nihilus does to people(let's not say planets cause she isn't quite like that) She still drained,better said fed Force energy from her friends,she still devoured in that relationship,but the amount she did was very small and insignificant.(here is about the LS-ed version)
And consider it not non-canon but "alternative canon",because in way that is "official alternative"(here is about the DS-ed version) 😉 
Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
She'd have become a Nihilus 2.0 THE ENDDark Exile wins. HAPPY DARK SIDE ENDING!!!
You can't say the dark exile is strong both in Force and saber,but you can't say she is weak either.
So here I would say it's a draw.
Nihilus isn't as strong as Sidious or Vitiate either.
Vitiate was stated to be the most powerful force sensative up till that point
Originally posted by Angelalex242
How silly.Arguing against Sidious is arguing against Word of Lucas.
Continuing this is flipping George Lucas off. Continue only if you wish to fly in the face of the creator.
And if you make it "Lucas canon style"... Then you know that nothing happened after the ROTJ events,so Sidious doesn't get cloned and he doesn't have those overpowered shity featys.
And seeing the movies,the Jedi Exile is far better than him in Force and lightsaber forms.
Suprise:I don't take in account the movie novels.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Except Nihilus had to be taught how to use it.Which doesn't prove your point on how she's comparable to Nihilus as a Dark Sider, especially given she has no conscious control and he does.
No, it's firmly non-canon. It didn't happen. The definition of canon allows for no alternative. That's like saying there's an alternative truth.
"You are a cipher, forming bonds, leeching the life of others, siphoning their will and dominating them. […] You are a breach that must be closed. You transmit your pain, your suffering through the Force. Within you we see something worse than the teachings of the Sith. What you carry may mean the death of the Force… and the death of the Jedi."
―Vrook Lamar
What any more prove you want ?
"Avellone was asked what his intentions for Darth Nihilus were. Though he did state that his conception of Nihilus' origin story was non-canon, Avellone said he thought of Nihilus as Meetra Surik's "other half," pursuing a different path after Malachor V was torn apart."-Wookieepedia
If the author itself stated what Nihilus was meant to be in an interview,that means Exile's dark side nature,who are you to state the opposite,if the author itself stated that!?
Face it!!! Dark Jedi Exile=Darth Nihilus 2.0
Did you create that character to afford to state something different!?
Which doesn't prove your point on how she's comparable to Nihilus as a Dark Sider, especially given she has no conscious control and he does.
That's about her lightside and I affirmed that,that's what I was talking about!
This duel is between Darth Sidious/Palpatine versus Dark Jedi Exile/Meetra Surik!!!
Learn to read the damn title of the duel!!
With the exception that in KotOR II she masters the "Nihilus drain" to suck the life off of peoples and other alien creatures. About planets I don't know,perhaps... We can't see that in the dark side ending.
BTW Here we speak about beings,not planets...
Originally posted by Kosmos Supreme
Nihilus isn't as strong as Sidious or Vitiate either.
Vitiate was stated to be the most powerful force sensative up till that point
If we have come to speak about Wounds:
Being more powerful than someone is not always the same as being as able to kill them. Powerful people can still make mistakes and get killed by those who are fundamentally weaker than them.
Yes he's(but depends what do you understand through power)
Because he would consume literally anyone that wasn't like the Exile. She was fated to defeat him and was the only one who could do it. Palpatine and Vitiate could probably out duel him and may have been stronger in the Force but none of that matters when facing Nihilus. Even if Palpatine and Vitiate were considerably more powerful than Nihilus, but that doesn't stop Nihilus from consuming them.
Nihilus is an error in Star Wars Universe. He can't be killed by normal means. We know for a fact that the most powerful Sith to ever live could be defeated. Why? Because they all die. If one of the Sith we know was the most powerful, he still lost and died.
The utter vast majority of Sith can be killed with a saber through the gut. That's what I consider normal means. A duel that results in a death. That can't be done with Nihilus.