What can stop Richards/Summers Families

Originally posted by Darth_Erebus
Bullcrap. Franklin is nowhere near on the level of the abstracts. And who's to say which abstracts are above the others meaning phoenix may not be able to take them either.

For the last 3 years in continuity phoenix is the force credited with the creation of the multiverse. Phoenix created the likes of Eternity and Galactus (you need only check out Big G's latest bio) so phoenix being above the abstracts is not in debate.

TOAA
HOTU
Phoenix of the White Crown / LT

Alpha Beast would murder Phoenix. 😏

Originally posted by Superherovandal
Lucifer, Micheal, Wally the God Boy, LT, HOTU, The Source, 5D imps, TGEB, TOAA. full powered Spectre.

In crossovers the Phoenix Force is shown to be one and the same as the Source. I read Lucifer theres no evidence whatsoever that indicates that he alone could beat the White Crown Phoenix same goes for Michael. If you're talking en masse then yeah if we'er talking seperately then with the exception of the Supreme Beings, their aspects and TGEB most certainly not.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
For the last 3 years in continuity phoenix is the force credited with the creation of the multiverse. Phoenix created the likes of Eternity and Galactus (you need only check out Big G's latest bio) so phoenix being above the abstracts is not in debate.

TOAA
HOTU
Phoenix of the White Crown / LT

Hey, GS, when did you change your opinion on HOTU being higher than Phoenix? You used to argue that Phoenix was higher than HOTU because she's multiversal while HOTU is only universal. What happened?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
For the last 3 years in continuity phoenix is the force credited with the creation of the multiverse. Phoenix created the likes of Eternity and Galactus (you need only check out Big G's latest bio) so phoenix being above the abstracts is not in debate.

How does one create Eternity? Eternity is always, always has been always will be. One cannot "create" something like "Eternity". If Eternity can be created then I want whatever some comic writer was smoking.

TGEB is the one equal of The Presence it was the darkness before all of creation. Lucifer and Micheal could certainly defeat them as they have shown to have the power right behind the Presence. And If Presence wanted Spectre to destroy the families he would make sure it was done.
Wally the God Boy is the Presence taking the form of a boy. He would rip the families into pieces. and 5D imps can do anything they want to do. When Bat-mite and Mxyzptlk faced each other their fight literally destroyed many universes. and Crossovers are never ever canon. So your Phoenix Force equals the Source in null and void.

The Phoenix Force is not an omniversal force it is a multiversal force. It only has effect on the MU. And as the demiurgic energy within Micheal and Lucifer individually could create and destroy multiverses. They would polish off Phoenix. and with Phoenix gone the families would cry for the second they were still in existance before they were destroyed.

Originally posted by demigawd
Hey, GS, when did you change your opinion on HOTU being higher than Phoenix? You used to argue that Phoenix was higher than HOTU because she's multiversal while HOTU is only universal. What happened?

Notice i said Phoenix of the white crown i.e Jean.

The Phoenix Force the creation power of Marvels supreme being doesnt need a seperate entry from its posessor 😄

Originally posted by Darth_Erebus
How does one create Eternity? Eternity is always, always has been always will be. One cannot "create" something like "Eternity". If Eternity can be created then I want whatever some comic writer was smoking.

Eternity is the living embodiment of a universe. He is a reality. Phoenix cyclically sparks off his creation and then consumes it. Phoenix allowed Galactus to survive the end of the last universe and then bonded him with the essence of what was to be the new universe.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
TGEB is the one equal of The Presence it was the darkness before all of creation. Lucifer and Micheal could certainly defeat them as they have shown to have the power right behind the Presence. And If Presence wanted Spectre to destroy the families he would make sure it was done.
Wally the God Boy is the Presence taking the form of a boy. He would rip the families into pieces. and 5D imps can do anything they want to do. When Bat-mite and Mxyzptlk faced each other their fight literally destroyed many universes. and Crossovers are never ever canon. So your Phoenix Force equals the Source in null and void.

For such a battle to happen a crossover would be required and in the phoenix crossover it was shown to be one and the same as the Source. Lucifer and Michael certainly could defeat them together however individually with the White Crown Phoenix there no way. Spectre is a fallen angel who as a way of repenting took on the role of Gods wrath. He is not literally Gods wrath he represents it beyond heaven. As such Spectre would not be able to do it im afraid.

When did they retcon Galactus being Eternity's baby? He's Phoenix's baby now?

Alpha Beast is between Phoenix and TOAA in the hierarchy. 😏

Yes he would as I said he gets his power from The Presence and if the Presence gave him full rein of the Spectre's abilities he would annihilate "Phoenix of the White Crown".

when Micheal was destroyed they said the energy was powerful enough to destroy the multiverse. He could certainly defeat Phoenix. and Lucifer who is even more powerful could do the same.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
The Phoenix Force is not an omniversal force it is a multiversal force. It only has effect on the MU. And as the demiurgic energy within Micheal and Lucifer individually could create and destroy multiverses. They would polish off Phoenix. and with Phoenix gone the families would cry for the second they were still in existance before they were destroyed.

You need to brush up on your Lucifer and Michael knowledge. It is only Michael who wields gods demiurgic power and Lucifer has his will. Neither of them could create a universe individually without help from the other.

Also they both as a joint effort created a universe lets set that straight. Nothing the White Crown Phoenix cant do.

If you read my take on characters on crossovers you'll see that i believe that in them the supreme beings are either one and the same or are aspects of one greater omniversal supreme being who is manifested differently for each multiverse. Either way the Phoenix Force of Marvel is shown in a crossover to be one and the same as the Source. Both have the same role in their respective multiverses as well.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
Yes he would as I said he gets his power from The Presence and if the Presence gave him full rein of the Spectre's abilities he would annihilate "Phoenix of the White Crown".

Presence and TOAA are presumed equal so why would gods wrath be any greater than Gods creation tool which is the White Crown Phoenix?

He is not Gods wrath literally he is a fallen angel who represents it as a way of repenting. Spectre isnt greater than either Michael or Lucifer they are the top angels. He would fare no better. All together the family do get annihilated admittedly.

Yeah but they are entirely different multiverses. And they need each other to create a multiverse not a unverse. Both of them could create a universe with absurd ease.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Notice i said Phoenix of the white crown i.e Jean.

The Phoenix Force the creation power of Marvels supreme being doesnt need a seperate entry from its posessor 😄

So you mean like Captain Marvel and Shazam? Juggernaut and Cytorrak? Beyonder and True Beyonder?

My cosmic is better than your cosmic. No my cosmic is better than your cosmic.
What the hell is a Tokyo Mew Mew?
My cosmic - Alpha Beast - actually does beat both your cosmics.

But what proof is there that Phoenix can actually create the multiverse. She has only shown the ability to destroy universes. Not one feat of hers shows the power you say. She held a universe in her hand. Not multiversal if you ask me.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
My cosmic is better than your cosmic. No my cosmic is better than your cosmic.
What the hell is a Tokyo Mew Mew?
My cosmic - Alpha Beast - actually does beat both your cosmics.

But is still no match for Magneto Prime!