ok I guess not, but Janus (or Deus Ex now I guess), I do not think that the snipers would be able to snipe me, remember this is in a jungle and they would have to see through trees, swamps etc. Snipers won't work here. Also, about where I start, I'm not sure, but I'm pretty sure that you were thinking of Glentracts starting point, being within range instantly, Dagobah is a different environment and would not be the same start or anything
I may have been thinking of his start point. Sorry. Anyways, the brush isn't entirely too thick to allow some burst fire and sniping, but not nearly as much as an open area. I'm willing to concede that firing will be sporadic and not nearly enough to stop an advance, but at the same time, it will take its toll. Consider moderate casualties for normal troopers should they come within range of balsters and cannons.
About the guideing thing, well I could do that as well, how about we have the sith sensing and guiding away from any traps and also have some troopers out front to guide away, double protection
This sounds much more practical. I agree.
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Also, Kriea is hidden and the troopers would not be easily able to attack her without getting on the ground, also, I now have Marka attacking the turbolasers as well with force lightning, also, the sith apprentices could use destroy droid, as could Ulic, if they all surrounded the fort, then all attacked, then it the cannons are gone. After those are gone, Traya puts away her three lightsabers, letting her move again.[/B]
Marka's force powers will weigh heavily in your forces' favor, as would Ulic's powers. I am doubtful that kreia's lightsabers will be very useful, but either way it might work. Not sure about that one.
About the beasts, we see in ANH the diagona (sp) that lives in garbage, Dagobah is much the same way, it likely also lives there, same with Mynocks as you said (they could also help disable the cannons by distracting them, then force lightning, destroy droid and they are gone), also there would be other various water creatures (crocidiles etc) and some small land predators (there were lots of bugs in the cave that Luke went into in ESB, I also think we saw a small creature, if there are bugs, then there would be things that eat them, if there are things that eat the bugs, then there would be creatures that eat the creatures that eat the bugs. At minimum there would be creatures like wolves
Nice logic with the bugs, but I'd prefer something more substantial on the beasts if you plan on using them. A good idea would be to try and find a list of SW specific beasts from a guide somewhere, or theforce.net even. But until you can prove to be beyond a shadow of a doubt that certain animals other than bugs and the Loch Ness monster exist on Dagobah, you cannot effectively argue this as a tactic.
About the apprentices, first they are trained to kill jedi, they lived in a time or war and all sorts of other things, they are stronger than you think. And anyway, even if they were just as strong as the padawan in RotS, 200 of them would be able to deflect most blaster bolts coming their way.
I have a good idea of how strong they are, but I need you to prove it to me. yes, they are most likely stronger than an ROTS padawan. I'd definately say that. But I want some indication that they can deflect blaster shots readily from a defending force. Again, heavy casualties is not uncommon when being rained upon with fire. This isn't a few droids in a ship's hold; this is a group of troopers in a heavily fortified high ground firing down on advancing junior sith. I'm not out to discredit everything you say, but I do like to make my decisions on more solid points.
And once the gates are down, Ulic and his army is in, even if you say that the defenders would kill all of them (which they wouldn't) Traya could come up and we know that she can kill many of them, remember the cutscene in KotOR II, with a wave of her hand she killed dozens of sith assassins, she would do the same to the stormtroopers
No, I said that with you original battle plan your troops would sustain HEAVY casualties. You hadn't even mentioned cover from Ragnos, not a viable plan for dealing with troop movement in your initial argument. This one is more solid, i believe, and has a high chance of success, though casualties will be in the mild to moderate range. And I'll wait on judgment from Illustrious and Faunus at this point.
Originally posted by ResubianNushi
I am attacking Kamino with Durron and Kressh. I just need to know how many men they get.
Sorry, I don't have the count right here; it's at myhome computer (Which is put up because of the coming hurricane).
Unless someone else beats me to the punch, you're numberless (I couldn't findit in the thread)
If you want to go ahead and make a general strategy at this time and post it, you can insert numbers later or make adjustments as needed.
Ah, Illustrious, you mind makign the fortification for Kamino? I'm about halfway out the door here at work.
ok I guess not, but Janus (or Deus Ex now I guess), I do not think that the snipers would be able to snipe me, remember this is in a jungle and they would have to see through trees, swamps etc. Snipers won't work here. Also, about where I start, I'm not sure, but I'm pretty sure that you were thinking of Glentracts starting point, being within range instantly, Dagobah is a different environment and would not be the same start or anything
Correct. However, you will still receive fire, and naturally you will have casualties. They will be milder than Glentract, but your obstacles are more plentiful than his. It will be a testament to a tactical genius if you can escape with only a couple handful of dead here.
Also, Kriea is hidden and the troopers would not be easily able to attack her without getting on the ground, also, I now have Marka attacking the turbolasers as well with force lightning, also, the sith apprentices could use destroy droid, as could Ulic, if they all surrounded the fort, then all attacked, then it the cannons are gone. After those are gone, Traya puts away her three lightsabers, letting her move again.
Traya has force powers on his own, so her attacks would likely do more than floating lightsabers. As Janus mentioned, she would be sitting duck, so the only way possible would be for the Krath to form a meat shield.
About the beasts, we see in ANH the diagona (sp) that lives in garbage, Dagobah is much the same way, it likely also lives there, same with Mynocks as you said (they could also help disable the cannons by distracting them, then force lightning, destroy droid and they are gone), also there would be other various water creatures (crocidiles etc) and some small land predators (there were lots of bugs in the cave that Luke went into in ESB, I also think we saw a small creature, if there are bugs, then there would be things that eat them, if there are things that eat the bugs, then there would be creatures that eat the creatures that eat the bugs. At minimum there would be creatures like wolves
Not necessarily. There's no method of affirming consumer levels.
And once the gates are down, Ulic and his army is in, even if you say that the defenders would kill all of them (which they wouldn't) Traya could come up and we know that she can kill many of them, remember the cutscene in KotOR II, with a wave of her hand she killed dozens of sith assassins, she would do the same to the stormtroopers
No, I agree that once you're in the bastion, if you can match their numbers, you're in. But you've not yet convinced me you're in yet. Ragnos with his force powers will be key, so would Ulic's but where would they be stationed, where would they attack? And couldn't they be taken out while using force powers?
This is basically a cleaned up version of my former argument with Joruus and his forces added it.
For my attack force, I'll send Yoda and 2000 Clones and Joruus with 1000 Storm Troopers. Seeing as they start only 200 meters from snipers, they will begin moving up the hill as soon as possible if they have been able to survey the planet and defenses from orbit, if the rules don't give them that bonus, then they spend maybe a minute or so recieving orders from Yoda.
The other guys are just here to watch, Joruus will win the battle for me single handedly. Joruus has before demonstrated the ability to control the minds of 37,000 people at one time before. Many of these were farther away than these clones will be from Joruus as he controlled everyone on an entire Star Destroyer. Once he has them under his control, he will simply order them to shoot themselves.
(See Thrawn Trilogy for details. He demonstrates all of these abilities in it.)
Because I don’t think I will be allowed to use that strategy. I will use a more pratical one for the purposes of this game.
Upon landing, Yoda will immediately take the spines and lift them from the ground and through them at snipers and E-web. Those are now effectivly neutralized. Yoda has done this before when he lifted the crane in ep2. A few spines should prove relatively easy for him.
Seeing as the clones are exactly the same; except for very minor genetic imperfections caused by the cloning process; it is unlikly that the Commenor Clones will be unit for unit more capable, not counting their terrain advantages.
Joruus will use battle meditation on the Storm Troopers and Clone Troopers. He demonstrated this ability in the Thrawn trilogy.
The Clones and Storm Troopers will move behind the wall to protect as many of their number as they can. The clones for the most part will be safe behind the two meter high wall. During this time, Yoda will be cutting through it along with clones using their blasters to slowly destroy it or if I have any terchnician set up mines to blow it up. Yoda is by this time still convieavably more powerful than Luke in Jedi Academy. He can simply rip the wall apart. Luke was said by his students at the Jedi Academy that he had the pure telekinetic power to build the Massassi Temples. (For points see Jedi Academy Trilogy or
I, Jedi.)
Not all of the army is going to be able to hide in the shadow of the wall. The ones that can't hide will use boost from their squadron members to get over the wall and continue up to the fortress. Remember, the E-web was taken out along with the snipers by Yoda in the beginning of the assault by Yoda throwing the spines.
Not sure how thick the wall is, so I'm unsure how long it will take to breach. I doubt that it would take very long as their could be hundreds of clones leterally melting it will rapid fire or Yoda laterally ripping it apart piece by piece, but if Yoda is unable to rip up the pieces y him self,then the Clones would have to give up their cover during this time.
I doubt the wall would take more than two or three minutes to damage to the point where the clones can simply move over it, supporting their brethren who had already moved passed the wall(remember, they were given boost by comrades).
If Yoda is able to rip it apart the wall, then he can throw the pieces into the fortress. Joruus can help with ripping apart the wall and throwing the pieces into the fortress. The Clones and Storm Troopers at this point bum-rush what’s left of the fortress with Yoda at the lead. Joruus will at this time retreat back to the side of the intact point of the wall and use battle-meditation.
The Position on Kamino is a difficult one. Raging seas surround the only landing dock for as far as the eye can see. A storm in brewing overhead, pounding heavy rain onto the vast ocean. The heavens have poured their fury onto the landing dock, making any mass deployment difficult. The Kaminos are inside, tucked within their own well-defended cloning facility.
The base is massive, with many levels. The only open landing bay is at the lowest level, and the attackers must fight their way towards the top. Surveillance is set up throughout the entire building, and well-defended space-age doors are set up at equal intervals at each floor. There are ten levels to the cloning facility, and there are a total of 700 stormtrooper guards dispatched on patrol, guarding the location from any intruders. These guards have employee elevators that can not be used by attackers and can reach any barricaded door within minutes.
The job is simple, how to infiltrate the building, navigate to the top floor, and take out all 700 of the guards.
ok now that I am back I will go over my attack again, I am pretty sure that we all agreed that I can make it through the jungle with little or no difficulties. This is my plan there:
I will have Marka, Kriea and Ulic all at the front, using their force abilities to sense any danger and move the troops around it. They could also prevent attacks from any beasts in the swamps (I will not use them as an advantage, but neither can they hurt me).I will also have some troopers out front to help guide.
To stop snipers during the march through the jungle I will have Marka use the force to obsucure them as they pass through (Jaina can do this in Dark Onslaught, as can Luke and really all of the jedi in NJO, Marka could do it as well). Thus, since they are effectively invisible (while hiding, out in the open it would not help) to the people in the base, they could easily sneak around and surround it. I would station Marka in the south position with 100 Krath and 800 Elite sith soldiers; Ulic in the west with 800 Krath and 100 sith apprentices; Traya in the east with 50 sith apprentices and 100 Krath; and 30 sith apprentices, 100 Krath Elite and 20 Elite Sith Soldiers in the north. At one precise moment each of the divided armies step out and attack the cannon the is in front of them, Marka could use force lightning or his staff (remember it can use a blast of force energy that damages stuff, it blew a hole through a brick wall and his staff can also cause earthquakes for lack of a better term), also his troops could also use the force (the massassi could and if these are the elites, they definetly could as well) to help destroy it as well as use blasters to destroy it, Ulic could also use force lightning and his troops could shoot at it, his sith apprentices could shoot at it. Traya could use force lightning and her sith apprentices could also use force lightning, the other soldiers could shoot at it. The final cannon would be destroyed by the sith apprentices using force lightning and the soldiers shooting at it. So all the cannons are gone.
Now, since all the cannons were destroyed at one time, the troopers would be shocked and confused (if something blew up and everyside of you, how would you be?), this would prevent snipers from killing to many. Also, our my own snipers would be able to see where they are shooting from and take out the enemy snipers while being protected by the sith. The sith could also take out snipers (force lightning and Marka's staff). With all snipers dead (not sure how many there are, I'll say 40), that leaves 460 troopers left.
Then I send Marka and Ulic together charging up the ramp, with the above stated armies following them (Marka with 100 Krath and 800 Elite sith soldiers; Ulic with 800 Krath and 100 sith apprentices), the two sith charge up the ramp, deflecting blaster bolts and using force lightning, choke, crush etc. on their enemies, Marka is also using his staff to blow holes in the walls/defences/troopers/anything he feels like. Also, I have the sith apprentices fight behind Marka and Ulic using sith lightning (oh and yes they can use it, if the ones on Korriban can use it, these guys can as well) and the troopers behind them, shooting as they run. Against a mighty charge like that, the stormies inside would likely retreat slightly, trying to find a better position.
When Marka and Ulic reach the gate, they blow it open (Marka's staff, force push etc. anyway you look at it, that gate is going down), when inside they proceed to devastate the troopers. Once they have gotten 100 feet inside, Marka fires a blast from his staff directly into the air. This is Traya's and the sith apprentices que to jump up the wall into the encampment (I checked and the walls are only 20 feet, something any self respecting jedi/sith can easily jump). Then you have 80 sith apprentices, 20 Elite sith soldiers (remember they can use the force in basic ways, they could jump with it) and Traya coming at the stormtroopers from the back and Marka, Ulic, 900 Krath, 800 Elite sith and 100 sith apprentices. The stormtroopers are caught in the middle and die a quick death