Darth Vader versus Darth Tyranus

Originally posted by Nine-Tail Fox
you are a fanboy to the max so i am not sure why your word even carries weight

A fanboy to the max? Hardly, I wont deny I support Dooku but thats not to say I dont debate with facts. And you imply your word carries weight whereas mine doesnt. I dont know if you were trying to be funny or not but the desired effect didnt work. Perhaps if you used some proper grammar then people might take you a bit more seriously. You are a sock, pathetic, racist and not fooling anyone.

thats brilliant!! 😂 😂 im not even from Japan you chump!!

Just cause i have a japanese dude in my sig u think IM japanese??? way to go sherlock!! I really hope this isn't a reflection of american intelligence!!!Please God 😛

Ends the plague.

Originally posted by Nine-Tail Fox
I am no racist I just hate stupidity and fanboyism.

LOL!! 😆 😆 Im sorry but I just have to laugh at that.

Prove I am A sock.

I cant sorry. But im sure a mod will soon enough. And you did say "even if I was a sock theres no way of telling which". To me that heavily implies that you are a sock.

you know what socks were good for in the army when we were either deployed or just on a long field mission?

Well maybe i cant say directly, but put it this way...when you're in a foxhole at 3am, and you have been away from your wife for 3 weeks, and no ones around cause you're the one on guard...you pull out the "happy sock".lol Quick easy and you can take the evidence with you. 😇

Thats one thing socks are good for, hehe......

LOL

man this is the longest vs thread iv seen so far(esb vader here btw)

Just a simple reply to Advent and her snippy attempt to refute the obvious.

First, my post stated that Vader could dispense with a Force lightening bolt as he did with Han's blaster bolt in ESB. While he may not be able to use his hand as noted in Advent's well researched reference, he most certainly could use his lightsaber as Obi Wan did in AOTC. And for someone with his force-level capacity, we should expect him to do so easily. Thus Vader would likely render any force lightening assualt a non-factor and he would therefore force any contest with a fellow force-user into a combative lightsaber duel. Second, there is the question of his movement, or lack thereof. Yoda, apparently, is beset with age, hunchbacked, and has trouble walking without a cane in his day-to-day life. Yoda can only actively fight by drawing on the force. Why could Vader not do the very same, especially considering that he does have more midichlorians than even Yoda himself? Third, you claim that Yoda is more profficient in the Force, but that is based only your wishful thinking. If midichlorians are the determinant of a force user's abilities, than Vader/Anakin would be more proficient with the Force than any known character in the series (with the except being Palpatine, since he was not tested). Fourth, as I stated in my prior post, Anakin was able to dispense with Tyranus with no training in the Dark Side (clearly a more deadly fighting style), and so Vader, armed with hate and the dark side, would most surely defeat Tyranus, force lightening or no. Fifth, most posters here seem to assume that Vader's robotic/droid-like enhancements are impediments to his fighting ability. Why should that be the case? Clearly, Grevious was a far better warrior *because* of his enhancements, both in terms of maneuverability and strength. Grevious's *improvements* only served as the precursusor and prototype for Vader's armour and body, and therefore we can expect that Vader's robotic arms and legs to be capable of both quick movement and incredible strength. I concede that Advent's quote from Lucas clearly determines that Vader lost the potential to become the most powerful Sith lord in its history, but we must not diminish his great force level capacity even after his encounter with Obi Wan.

Well at least you're adding to the post count! Good job! Regardless, you know Vader has won already. It took about 17 more pages to the old thread to re-convince people that Vader DOES BEAT Tyrannu

A final note on Vader. His armour also offers him some protection, and he clearly suffers no pain if he were to lose a limb or two or four. In a word, Vader looks scarry in that scarry mask. Did it scare you? It scarred me.

Lol, Vos you just wont give up. 😛 . Dooku will win, he was a master duellist and lightsaber prodigy in the time when jedi were at their finest. Im hardly saying Vader is weak or that the fight will be close but Dooku simply has to much going for him - force lightning being the major one. And no, Vader cannont block lightning with his hands.

To Darth Sakul, wtf are you talking about? Anakin (who we all know is DV) did lose a limb or 3. He was on the ground writhing in agony. If Vader lost a few limbs it would be irrelevant - he is robotic. I doubt there is any organic material there to feel pain. But on the other hand (excuse the pun lol) Dooku lost two hands at once. He is not yelling, screaming, writhing in agony etc. He merely falls to his knees. So whatever point you were trying to make fails.

Yes, Tyranus most likely has this. Going by the movies, the highest form of canon, Dooku > Vader in saber combat.

LOL Dooku, stop being like Sexist. The Vader team has spent 17 pages PROVING WITH LOGICAL EVIDENCE that Vader > Tyrannus. I respect your love for Dooku Rampant. In the rules of debate, you hve lost

What rules. I am aware of no rules. Besides most of these pages are off topic. A fair amount of them were proving that Dooku is the faster duellist (plus one to Dooku) and proving that Vader cant block force lightning - at least not with his hands (plus two for Dooku). Vader doesnt win merely because you say so.

You're absolutely right...he wins because I say so. Speed is obviously not a factor. To a degree, but not when it includes someone of Vaders caliber. Thats like saying that Zett would beat him cause he's faster in EP3 th at Vader was in the OT...not gonna happen. Dooku is fast and the top master of his chosen form, but that form is very susceptible to Vader's style. I think vader is more attuned with the force and given his history with battle and duels, he could pull out a hard earned victory. Yes i know Dooku has an 80 year history, but he was never the hero with no fear.

And it's not because I say so. Because it has been proven and I am saying to people who didn't read the thread that's it true. Vader defeats Dooku because it's been shown.

Normally I would be inclined to believe that Vader would win but after seeing Dooku throw OB1 around like a youngling i get the feeling he was holding back in his fight against Anakin on the IH! I would give this to Dooku but its a tough call.

'but that form is very susceptible to Vader's style.'

Dooku weilds Makashi in an unorthodox manner, and knows and likely employs aspects of pretty much every other form with the exception of #7.

well would he expect vaders form to be a pure form V? i think vader custamised his fightning style to suprise his opponents, acording to wiki which i find upreliable sometimes claimed that his form V has elements of other forms inside

Originally posted by Kas'Im
'but that form is very susceptible to Vader's style.'

Dooku weilds Makashi in an unorthodox manner, and knows and likely employs aspects of pretty much every other form with the exception of #7.

Wrong. Dooku uses an older "classic" form, whereby with the creation of more blasters and droids, Sorseu (spelling?) was created in its stead. Dooku focused all his time and energy perfecting that. You NEVER see him utilizing another form at all.
And his form didn't seem to help him against Anakin, now did it? I think over a span of 20 years that Vader would improve his fighting technique.
And to compare OB1 to Vader is ludicrous. There is no comparison. Vader is above OB1. I don't care what anyone tries to say. Before you tell me to find a quote to prove that he only learned is one style, you find ME one saying that he uses more than one style...