So i see Dooku has sneaked into the lead in the poll 🥷
I don't rate the forms much their just basic guidelines! i think every lightsaber user (if they were smart) would use whats useful in respect to THEM as an individual! kinda like what Bruce lee said
Sure Vader (if he wasn't mangled) would be the most powerful ever but unfortunately he is a shadow of his former self
OK, He never said that Vader was weak...ever. He said he would never reach his full potential, but maintained the level he was at. He beat Dooku one, very easily i might add. Couple that with 20 plus years of intense dark side training...Dooku's done. I said not easily, and I'm just giving that to appease the dooku fans who claim Vader's speed is an issue. All dooku has is speed and lightning, provided he gets th opportunity to use it. Like i said before, vader is no OB1. Vader is far more in control of his emotions and has a deeper connection to the force than Dooku being that he is in fact a product of the midicholians. I don't see Dooku winning this.
Well I think you underestimate the issue of speed. Sure, its not going to be the deciding factor but neither is Vaders form. Vader has a great deal of force mastery - Dooku has just as much if not more in his 80 years of experience. Dooku was one of the top duellists in a time where jedi were at their peak. Vader was beaten by Luke who is slow, untrained in both a saber and the force and has been taught no specific lightsaber form. Dooku would pwn Luke - yet you say Vader would beat Dooku. Something doesnt add up.
firstly, A>B>C arguments don't mean shit, second, Vader had a soft spot for Luke, and they didn't have the choreography they do now(you know I'm right), third, Luke, due to his huge connection to the force, and force potential, he was underestimated and Vader did not want to kill him. You saw how easy he could in ESB. Vader never reached his potential, but did not weaken at all...so everything he beat Dooku with before, he still has, minus his speed which is more than compensated for by growth in the dark side of the force.
I see we're not going to agree here, but i stand firm in belief. As i guess you do. As much as Dooku fought Jedi, how many did he kill? You see how many Vader killed, rather we will in the series 😄. But you can also see from the EU, as I'm sure you see alot of Dooku's accomplishments.
😂 Everyone knows that incident on the IH was down to a lack of effort on Dooku's part! If he could pwn kenobi so badly do you really think he'd have that much trouble with Anakin?? Fair enough Ani's is more powerful than Kenobi but he didn't exactly dispatch him very quickly at the end of ROTS did he
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thats got to be the most idiotic reasoning I've heard. Dooku was in fact fighting for his life, it wasn't a lack of effort on his part, it was superior power by anakin. And had anakin been in the same mind state with OB1 as he was with Dooku, he would have pwned him too. The only difference is that OB1 trained Anakin and knew how he fought. But he'd still lose, and beat Dooku more than fairly, considering the odds were stacked in his favor:
knowing he was going to fight them
being on a ship he was very familiar with
having droids with him
the "high ground" advantage on the steps
knowing if need be, GG was close by
Anakin kicked his ass fair and square. GL already said as much. No point in arguing.
And Anakin was far above OB1 also as said by GL he just didn't have the experience, hence losing his cool and control of emotions, which he learns as Vader. Funny how he was meant to kill Kenobi twice and failed TWICE, huh? a testament of his in-combart intelligence. He doesn't take advantage when he should, which is a flaw that leads to him not being the best. It didn't have to pause so long in AOTC, and could have killed him in ROTS rather than crushing him with steps.
ok well want to know something? vader would finish dooku with his sorroundings, you may think dooku does that too but wrong!, when he pulled the pillar to kill obi1 and anakin, it was to distract yoda so he could get away, when he pulled a piece of junk on obi1 in ROTS it was to pin him down and get 1v1 with anakin, when he threw pillars at yoda, he did it before getting into a duel,
vader does all that during a duel, and TESB proved this. and would dooku expect a suprise attack? i dont think so,
they do have a sense of foresight, but vader still wins. Vader is more ruthless and willing to do whatever it takes to win. In ROTJ he did what he had to do to ultimately win. He got beat by luke and and woke luke up, and then killed himself to save the galaxy and the soon to be Jedi Order. I think also that while he's so enamoured with the darkside, that small part of good and the lightside give him an uncanny advantage in all he does. Maul knew nothing but rage, as was his purpose, and look where it got him..Vader is in another category. HE was the reason the Sith were successful...not palpatine(altho he turned him, but couldnt do it without him, or rather with Anakin against him) and not Dooku. Had he been THAT good, Anakin would never have been a Sith.
Wtf. Dooku pinned Obi-Wan with the balcony. Sure this was to subdue him so he could get on with Anakin but what if it was simply Dooku vs Obi-Wan? Dooku would have done the exact same thing. You seem to forget Dooku collapsing a roof on Yoda and throwing several generators at him also. Dooku uses the environment just as much as Vader.
And I dont know what you are saying by your last point. Of course Dooku wouldnt expect a suprise attack - but neither would Vader. hence the term 'suprise'. Also if you think Dooku will be subdued by the metal things Vader threw at Luke you can think again.
well and considering the fact that sidious already designed vaders suit a while ago, sidious possibly could have known vader was gonna get fried, i mean come on, how is he suppose to design something immediately after vader gets grilled,
if what i said is true of palapatine forseeing vaders burns, he could have already decided vader is better than dooku
Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
they do have a sense of foresight, but vader still wins. Vader is more ruthless and willing to do whatever it takes to win.
Possibly. But I would say Dooku thinks the same. he has to much pride to lose a duel. Although Dooku would probably retreat if he thought he was losing (as shown in AOTC) whereas Vader might fight to the death. Although not knowing your limits could be your downfall.
I think also that while he's so enamoured with the darkside, that small part of good and the lightside give him an uncanny advantage in all he does.
Lol. Dooku still had good in him. Yes he was a sith but he was fighting for what he thought was right - an uncorrupt Republic. He was also a respected jedi master before he turned to evil. So you can hardly say Vader is going to have an 'uncanny advantage' because he still feels good in him.
HE was the reason the Sith were successful...not palpatine(altho he turned him, but couldnt do it without him, or rather with Anakin against him) and not Dooku.
Are you saying that Dooku creating the army for both sides of the war and splitting the Galactic Republic did not aid in the sith success? Vader was extremely important sure - but Dooku was just as powerful in status.
Originally posted by LightElement
well and considering the fact that sidious already designed vaders suit a while ago, sidious possibly could have known vader was gonna get fried, i mean come on, how is he suppose to design something immediately after vader gets grilled,if what i said is true of palapatine forseeing vaders burns, he could have already decided vader is better than dooku
He designed the suit beforehand? Are you sure. Im not saying your wrong but I have never heard this before. Quotes would be nice. 🙂
But I doubt he could forsee that Vader was better than Dooku. Anakin was most definatly going to be better but not Vader. "Lord Vader will become more powerful than either of us". This is referring to pre-suit Vader. He ends up with Vader in the suit which we know is not ever going to be stronger. So his foresight fails.
yea but sidious could peer into the future, atleast a week or so, hell his girlfriend kreia could, even in the mandalorian armour, sidious knows the configuration of vaders suit, he tampers with it using the force and it shuts down, who else besides the suits designer knows how to do that,
roan shryne, doesnt know how it works, he had to try to press the buttons
Originally posted by LightElement
[B]yea but sidious could peer into the future, atleast a week or so, hell his girlfriend kreia could, even in the mandalorian armour, sidious knows the configuration of vaders suit, he tampers with it using the force and it shuts down, who else besides the suits designer knows how to do that,
Ive never heard any of this before. Are there any factual quotes which back you up or are you just using faulty deduction?
roan shryne, doesnt know how it works, he had to try to press the buttons
LOL! 😆