Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Let's use logic and see what he hasnt dodge. Spidey has been hit with a bullet before. He's fast, but not infallible.Let's use logic, how did Logan get him if Spidey is that fast and has his precog?
OK, spidey didn't want to fight...why not still dodge logan?
You aren't using logic, you are using plot devices, again.
Spiderman has dodged logan, numerous times.
He has dodged lasers and shit his entire career.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
No you haven't been reading, spiderman is much faster and stronger.And his range is poor, so let me ask you a question, because you aren't saying anything really.
What is harder to dodge, a bullet, or a stream of water from a hose?
Then stop using plot devices...
How about a bullet? It cuts through air a hell of a lot easier and travels far faster. You make it sound like Spidey is going to unleash Niagra falls.
Who's range is poor? CN? Now I really know you havent been reading...did you miss the plasma cannon on the guys arm?
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
How about a bullet? It cuts through air a hell of a lot easier and travels far faster. You make it sound like Spidey is going to unleash Niagra falls.Who's range is poor? CN? Now I really know you havent been reading...did you miss the plasma cannon on the guys arm?
No, wrong.
if you move out of the general direction of a bullet, then its gone.
Try dodging a spring of water.
You have problems with trains of thought, seriously.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I'm about to end your stupid feat argument, because you are wasting my time.Flash has been hit by boomerangs, and slow characters.
So that means wolverine can hit him, no, lets use facts please, and not plot devices.
Now we want to insult? What part of why didn't spidey dodge is difficult for you to understand? Now that is stupid.
If you want to keep things civil...keep the insults to yourself...what can spidey do to win? I just see that whatever you don't like is suddenly CIS...
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
How did you come to the conclusion that Spidey will have a second?
Better yet...knowing you're going to die a second beforehand won't help you in battle.In bloodlust, CN won't be holding back either, has deadlier options, and is a far better trained/skilled fighter.
Nobody has given an example of how spidey will win. Just that he might be able to theoretically dodge here and there.The quicksilver thing definetely sounds like PIS.
So because you don't know what happened in the Quicksilver one, it's just PIS. And what about the other ones I mentioned? Green Goblin? The Lizard? Scorpion? I didn't hear any rebuttal about them.
One thing I've noticed about CN. He's got the offensive capabilities, sure. But I've noticed his durability isn't all that great. And when I say this, I'm not putting Snake down. But I saw the clip of them fighting, and all Snake did was kick him twice and throw him into a wall. CN doubled over after being kicked. By the enhanced peak human Snake.
So, you want a way that Spidey will win? Okay.
First, he dodges any attempts CN will take at shooting Spidey with arm gun thing. Then the distance closes between the two. SM will use webbing to slow him down, CN will dodge, and counter with sword. Only to find that SM has already adjusted to this new move before he gets near Spidey, and has countered it as well. The countering goes on for awhile. Their speeds pretty much even, this is just a match to see who makes the first mistake. Neither of them make mistakes though (at least not 99% of the time).
I don't really know who would get bored first, but it seems to me, through the extensive research I've done on CN, that he would get tired of this game first and change things up. Spidey is very patient and plays things safe in battles like this.
Please, correct me if I'm wrong. I've just noticed this about his character is all.
So CN decides to try a different manuever, and that's when SM already knows what's about to happen, immediately adjusts himself and counters by getting inside the attack. Right there, Spidey could do a number of things. He could web right up into CN's face (I'd love to see him dodge that if they were inches apart, especially if he didn't know it was coming) which would blind him right there. He could always just sock him hard in the gut, making him double over in pain. Or he could just go for the uppercut or hook, sending CN's couple-hundred-pound body flying into something. And after Spidey gets one of these hits in, I think it's over. He'll start a string of hits that CN won't be able to evade or counter because he's still being affected by attack right before it.
Hell, that's just one way.
SM could also just grab at CN's hand (he's easily both fast enough and strong enough to do so) that's holding the sword, and could either:
1. Take it from him and use it himself, toss it out of the fight, or break it. Basically, render it useless to CN.
2. Twist CN's hand around so the sword is pointing at him and stab him through with his own sword, while he's still holding it. It's a very well-established technique of those with superior strenth whenever they're found in sword/knife fights.
In my opinion, Spiderman just has far more options in this fight, as well as being more versatile.
So there you go, Avalon. I have performed your command. I have given you a way that Spiderman could beat Cyber Ninja.
Enjoy.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Let's see what he didn't dodge. Spidey has been hit with a bullet before. He's fast, but not infallible.Let's use logic, how did Logan get him if Spidey is that fast and has his precog?
OK, spidey didn't want to fight...why not still dodge logan?
And Cyber Ninja has been hit with a bullet before. What's your point? It happens.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
No, wrong.if you move out of the general direction of a bullet, then its gone.
Try dodging a spring of water.You have problems with trains of thought, seriously.
Once again with the insults.
Since when can spidey shoot Springs of water? Does he have a lake in his webshooters?
Since when do springs of water move and attack you?
What makes you think that Ninjas vibrating sword won't kill spidey?
Without CIS, nobody has perfect dodging. You are defeating your own argument.
Now you are truly sounding like a spidey fanboy.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Now we want to insult? What part of why didn't spidey dodge is difficult for you to understand? Now that is stupid.If you want to keep things civil...keep the insults to yourself...what can spidey do to win? I just see that whatever you don't like is suddenly CIS...
You don't even know what you are talking about, please go to the rules, and look up CIS.
I didn't insult you, I was talking about your post.
I don't use feat wars, why are you?
Why does spiderman not dodging have to do with this thread, nothing.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Once again with the insults.
Since when can spidey shoot Springs of water? Does he have a lake in his webshooters?
Since when do springs of water move and attack you?
What makes you think that Ninjas vibrating sword won't kill spidey?
Without CIS, nobody has perfect dodging. You are defeating your own argument.
Now you are truly sounding like a spidey fanboy.
No, I don't think spiderman has perfect dodging lets keep my points in context, I also don't think spiderman is winning easily.
His webbing comes out as a stream, do you not get the connection?
I think you are just arguing for the sake of it.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Exactly, my point is we can't pick and choose what we like and say what we don't is pure CIS.A bullet hitting spidey messed him up. Ninja can walked through hails of bullets and laugh.
I am not picking or choosing anything, you are brining up the examples.
Spiderman has the statiscits that allow him to dodge.
Spiderman hits harder than a bullet.
Originally posted by TwisterGameX
Weapons and AbilitiesGray Fox's cybernetic armour enhances not only his strength, but his agility, speed, stamina, reaction time, durability; seemingly any human attribute up to nearly 20-30x normal human. Along with that, he sports a razor-sharp katana, possibly with vibro-blade qualities, capable of deflecting bullets and slicing through apparently any material with little resistance. In Metal Gear AC!D, his card states that this katana is in fact a High Frequency Blade. Towards the end of Metal Gear Solid when he confronts Metal Gear REX, Gray Fox's right arm is replaced with an extremely powerful directed energy weapon, seemingly an order of magnitude at least as powerful as Solid Snake's Stinger missile launcher. The text accompanying the designs for this weapon in The Art of Metal Gear Solid simply describes it as a "Laser Gun Arm".
Damnit people, I posted the stats, and people still go, Spiderman is faster/stronger. *Sigh*
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Exactly, my point is we can't pick and choose what we like and say what we don't is pure CIS.A bullet hitting spidey messed him up. Ninja can walked through hails of bullets and laugh.
...Heeeeeeey...Wait a second.
You quoted and countered the wrong post!
I want you to counter the one before this one! The long one, completely showing how Spiderman can beat CN! Quote that one with a counter instead!
I'd much rather see that one.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
So because you don't know what happened in the Quicksilver one, it's just PIS. And what about the other ones I mentioned? Green Goblin? The Lizard? Scorpion? I didn't hear any rebuttal about them.One thing I've noticed about CN. He's got the offensive capabilities, sure. But I've noticed his durability isn't all that great. And when I say this, I'm not putting Snake down. But I saw the clip of them fighting, and all Snake did was kick him twice and throw him into a wall. CN doubled over after being kicked. By the enhanced peak human Snake.
So, you want a way that Spidey will win? Okay.
First, he dodges any attempts CN will take at shooting Spidey with arm gun thing. Then the distance closes between the two. SM will use webbing to slow him down, CN will dodge, and counter with sword. Only to find that SM has already adjusted to this new move before he gets near Spidey, and has countered it as well. The countering goes on for awhile. Their speeds pretty much even, this is just a match to see who makes the first mistake. Neither of them make mistakes though (at least not 99% of the time).
I don't really know who would get bored first, but it seems to me, through the extensive research I've done on CN, that he would get tired of this game first and change things up. Spidey is very patient and plays things safe in battles like this.
Please, correct me if I'm wrong. I've just noticed this about his character is all.
So CN decides to try a different manuever, and that's when SM already knows what's about to happen, immediately adjusts himself and counters by getting inside the attack. Right there, Spidey could do a number of things. He could web right up into CN's face (I'd love to see him dodge that if they were inches apart, especially if he didn't know it was coming) which would blind him right there. He could always just sock him hard in the gut, making him double over in pain. Or he could just go for the uppercut or hook, sending CN's couple-hundred-pound body flying into something. And after Spidey gets one of these hits in, I think it's over. He'll start a string of hits that CN won't be able to evade or counter because he's still being affected by attack right before it.
Hell, that's just one way.
SM could also just grab at CN's hand (he's easily both fast enough and strong enough to do so) that's holding the sword, and could either:
1. Take it from him and use it himself, toss it out of the fight, or break it. Basically, render it useless to CN.2. Twist CN's hand around so the sword is pointing at him and stab him through with his own sword, while he's still holding it. It's a very well-established technique of those with superior strenth whenever they're found in sword/knife fights.
In my opinion, Spiderman just has far more options in this fight, as well as being more versatile.
So there you go, Avalon. I have performed your command. I have given you a way that Spiderman could beat Cyber Ninja.
Enjoy.
Very well Done Metalman...and without insults. Respectable.
In the same token. Ninja can dodge spideys web shooters and close the distance and simply slice a limb off spidey.
He can go invisible while doing all this. Spidey won't know where to even shoot. While he's busy dogding whatever ninja throws at him, he gets closer and simply breaks spideys neck. Being a spidey fan, you know his senses can get overloaded.
In a straight up fight. Ninja is far more skilled, and being in the same speed range reflex vs skill leans towards the ninja. A bred warrior, Ninja can use that against spidey.
Once again, Spidey is no killer, Ninja is. That alone makes a tough fight for spidey even tougher. Ninja won't hesitate to kill..especially in a random encounter.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
You don't even know what you are talking about, please go to the rules, and look up CIS.I didn't insult you, I was talking about your post.
I don't use feat wars, why are you?
Why does spiderman not dodging have to do with this thread, nothing.
Maybe because you don't know what the hell you are talking about?
How about you answer the question instead of insulting posts?
Weapons and Abilities
Gray Fox's cybernetic armour enhances not only his strength, but his agility, speed, stamina, reaction time, durability; seemingly any human attribute up to nearly 20-30x normal human. Along with that, he sports a razor-sharp katana, possibly with vibro-blade qualities, capable of deflecting bullets and slicing through apparently any material with little resistance. In Metal Gear AC!D, his card states that this katana is in fact a High Frequency Blade. Towards the end of Metal Gear Solid when he confronts Metal Gear REX, Gray Fox's right arm is replaced with an extremely powerful directed energy weapon, seemingly an order of magnitude at least as powerful as Solid Snake's Stinger missile launcher. The text accompanying the designs for this weapon in The Art of Metal Gear Solid simply describes it as a "Laser Gun Arm".
Geater, than Spideys. This is all we are allowed to use right, but then people still say, Spidey Faster/Stronger/more skills.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I am not picking or choosing anything, you are brining up the examples.Spiderman has the statiscits that allow him to dodge.
Spiderman hits harder than a bullet.
So does ninja, and he can cut too while doing it.
By stats, Superman shouldn't lose if you don't have access to kryptonite or magic right?
Stats aren't everything my friend.
Go into the military and see how fast you would be taken out with your "stats"
Originally posted by TwisterGameX
Weapons and AbilitiesGray Fox's cybernetic armour enhances not only his strength, but his agility, speed, stamina, reaction time, durability; seemingly any human attribute up to nearly 20-30x normal human. Along with that, he sports a razor-sharp katana, possibly with vibro-blade qualities, capable of deflecting bullets and slicing through apparently any material with little resistance. In Metal Gear AC!D, his card states that this katana is in fact a High Frequency Blade. Towards the end of Metal Gear Solid when he confronts Metal Gear REX, Gray Fox's right arm is replaced with an extremely powerful directed energy weapon, seemingly an order of magnitude at least as powerful as Solid Snake's Stinger missile launcher. The text accompanying the designs for this weapon in The Art of Metal Gear Solid simply describes it as a "Laser Gun Arm".
Damnit people, I posted the stats, and people still go, Spiderman is faster/stronger. *Sigh*
seemingly any human attribute up to nearly 20-30x normal human
You've just went and helped us out you know.
I agree completely with you, by the way. Cyber Ninja is indeed 30x stronger than a normal human.
Normal human's strength (we'll use bench press)= Approximately 200 lbs (and I'm really giving that to you. 95% of people can't bench that much, but I'll let you even have that).
200 x 30=? Anyone?
6,000 lbs.
Spiderman's strength= 15 tons.
Anyone?
15 tons=30,000 lbs.
Hell, I've even say a normal human can bench 300 lbs.
300 x 30= 9,000 lbs.
30,000 lbs >>>>>9,000 lbs.
Cyber Ninja isn't winning any strength contest against Spidey anytime soon. Beast is stronger than him.
And I'm not countering your speed argument, because I've already agreed with you that they are VERY CLOSE in speed.
Strength-wise, CN has nothing on Spidey.