Originally posted by TwisterGameX
Weapons and AbilitiesGray Fox's cybernetic armour enhances not only his strength, but his agility, speed, stamina, reaction time, durability; seemingly any human attribute up to nearly 20-30x normal human. Along with that, he sports a razor-sharp katana, possibly with vibro-blade qualities, capable of deflecting bullets and slicing through apparently any material with little resistance. In Metal Gear AC!D, his card states that this katana is in fact a High Frequency Blade. Towards the end of Metal Gear Solid when he confronts Metal Gear REX, Gray Fox's right arm is replaced with an extremely powerful directed energy weapon, seemingly an order of magnitude at least as powerful as Solid Snake's Stinger missile launcher. The text accompanying the designs for this weapon in The Art of Metal Gear Solid simply describes it as a "Laser Gun Arm".
Originally posted by TwisterGameXwhat bio are you looknig at?
How he go from 10 to 15 to 20 now.
Cyber Ninja is between 20 -30X more
It says, exactly that Spiderman is that much faster than peak humans, thsoe exact words, because when I read it it said His reflexes are around 15x faster than the average human, and lifts 15 tons.
It mentions the bugs right?
Originally posted by TwisterGameXHow about electro? They both shoot energy. . .
You can't just assume it's the same as shocker, you can't compare it just like that.
Originally posted by TwisterGameXNot if it's take naway from him.
He is able to cut steel with his sword, like his Bio says,
"Covered with stealth camouflage, cuts through steel and even bullets with his sword."
Originally posted by TwisterGameX20 to 30x peak human? so that 1 ton to 1 and a half tons then? You sure that's enough to break steel?
Strength, when he without the exoskeleton and training was already, above peak human, and the suit made him more enhanced, 20-30x more.
Originally posted by TwisterGameXDC Characters? Sure their individual bios list strengths.
As for a exact number of strength, like he lifts 15tons like it says fro spiderman, is not listed like the dc characters don't have a strength chart.
Originally posted by TwisterGameXThat close? he can be up to 60 feet away, CN doesn't have a 60 foot reach.
For web, he is not just going to get the sword yanked, in your scenario, he could easiliy dodge it, if Spidey is that close
Originally posted by TwisterGameXBlast it? 😂
, he would already get sliced, but far away, he dodges it, or Blast it from a far.
He swings his sword and it get's hit by the webbing. then Spiderman yanks it away.
Originally posted by TwisterGameX[b/][/quote] Not up to spidey's level.
"Gray Fox's cybernetic armour enhances not only his strength, but his agility, speed, stamina, reaction time, durability"
Spiderman talking to bugs *Sigh* First Spidey stats are better than Cyber ninja because people thought he has regular human strength, and then says thats why he wins, but when I post the bio of Ninja, that shows he is better than Spiderman, no one cares. Seriously i don't know why no one could admit that, Cyber Ninja could beat your favorite neighborhood Spiderman. I mean You guys still have a good arguement in the Snake vs Spiderman but here, I dont see the problem, on why people can't ...nevermind
Originally posted by TwisterGameXToo bad the bio doesn't prove he's better than spiderman.
Spiderman talking to bugs *Sigh* First Spidey stats are better than Cyber ninja because people thought he has regular human strength, and then says thats why he wins, but when I post the bio of Ninja, that shows he is better than Spiderman,
15tons>3,000 pounds
20x peak human > 30 average human.
Originally posted by TwisterGameXyet to be proven.
no one cares. Seriously i don't know why no one could admit that, Cyber Ninja could beat your favorite neighborhood Spiderman.
Originally posted by TwisterGameXWhat? Admit that CN loses to Spiderman due to inferior stats?
I mean You guys still have a good arguement in the Snake vs Spiderman but here, I dont see the problem, on why people can't ...nevermind
Originally posted by CreshoskNot up to spidey's level. [/QUOTE]
what bio are you looknig at?It mentions the bugs right?
How about electro? They both shoot energy. . .
Not if it's take naway from him.
20 to 30x peak human? so that 1 ton to 1 and a half tons then? You sure that's enough to break steel?
DC Characters? Sure their individual bios list strengths.
That close? he can be up to 60 feet away, CN doesn't have a 60 foot reach.
Blast it? 😂
He swings his sword and it get's hit by the webbing. then Spiderman yanks it away.
[b/]
Of course CN has 60 foot reach. He has that gun arm as well.
So now we have 2 uber strong beings with long reach and far,
far above human strength.
If pete shoots webbing, its going to get chopped up or easily dogged or borg can shoot him with a blast supposedly equivalent to a stinger missle at the same time.
Spider sense is almost useless in this first as Ninja is debatably faster than pete...good scan with Hobglobin, but I wouldnt compare a few bullets from him with the aim, or the weaponry of a Metal Gear. Especially in that close of a range.
Let's not forget Ninja can bend light while doing all this and become invisible.
So thats a being in spideys speed range, with better fighting ability, killer instinct, invisible, some kind of enhanced vibrating sword, who is stronger...(He held up that Metal gear leg coming down at him while only having one arm.) It also took the metal gear quite a bit of pressure to actually crush the guy.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Wot are you talking about? Can we see some scans of his fight with the ninja lady?
not much of a fight to see man...marvel knights spiderman 13 (or around there at least) spidey webs up this ninja lady, she escaped by cutting through the webbing with a blade at the heel of her shoe.... the webbing didn't adhere to the blade she cut right through it...
During the wolverine fight in the graveyard spidey hit wolverine's claws with his webbing....with one flick of the wrist the webbing was torn to shreds...and it happened again in mk spidey 12... and again in marvel team up number one... and again in punisher 35. (or was it 36?)... and again in spiderman/punisher/sabretooth.
aside from all this let's not forget the blade is supposed to be forged of vibro...so how exactly is this webbing going to adhere to it in the first place? 🤨
Originally posted by Creshosk
But he still made an exageration of the concept of something that doesn't appear in the stats means they can't do it.
did he? i don't feel that way... i think he was making a valid point. CN's speed, agility, and ability was being downgraded to something else because the full extent of his powers and capabilities are not listed in his bio. I mean common... we all know that game character bios are not that extensive, we learn what a game character can do through what they've done. It's a media that must be taken at face value as far as these cutscenes are concerned because we the viewer has nothing else to go off of... that said, this guys is clearly beyond the capabilities of a human. He's pretty clearly low class meta human, saying that he can't do something he's shown to do in the games because it's not specified in the bio means relatively little IF ANYTHING to this debate... I ask you what else are we to go off of to reach a conclusion? otherwise you're saying that all things are obvious so they need not be specified but every last one of his powers must as they are an exception...that said, the evidence of those powers at play have no value unless backed by the bio... it's a fallacy of exclusion....if you're going to make that rule for one aspect of his physical characteristics and capabilities, why not all of them?... where do you draw the line? it was a flawed argument...he just used a seemingly exadurated meathod to point out said flaw.
Originally posted by Creshosk
And who is it that gets to pick which version of that characters are used?
Originally posted by Creshosk
Why not use the comic book version of MGS, and the game version of Spiderman?
read above... other than that, what can you possibly use as your canon source for an example of the game spidey anyways?... obviously spiderman can not beat thanos alone...but for some reason I can do it in the game.... all the endings to these fighting games don't follow the cannon story lines of that game... MGS is a different type of game altogether.. the cutscenes are part of the continuitous storyline of the timeline in the game....spiderman's however, are not.
Originally posted by Creshosk
But Spiderman can beat 52,000 ninjas, obviously he cant beat just one, even though it'd be much harder.
also fox is clearly not your average hand ninja the comparison is moot man....
common back to the darkside....commonnnnnn.....commmmonnnnnn! 😈
Originally posted by TwisterGameX
Cyber ninjas Suit, goes invisible. True Spiderman is warned of danger, but it is more trouble to spot directly, and he has to use his eyes to web some, one moving that fast. Unless you guys are saying, that A blind Spiderman is the same or better than one that could see. I mean yes it warns him, but Spidersense isn't dare devil sense. Cyber Ninja is just running around, how is Spiderman going to see him if he not attacking him. Spidersense warns of danger, but if he is just going about his business, Cyber Ninja will not trigger it, and since he would be invisible, Once he gets close enough and it warns him, it will be to late, since Cyber Ninjas Speed stats are 20-30x human, and Spiderman is 15x. He could also be hidden some where, and shoot the blast,. Spidermans Spidersense will warn him when it's danger to him, but Cyber Ninja himself not shooting yet, just staying from a far, would not trigger his Spidersense because he is not attacking. He shoots blasts, all over from different locations, crumbling area around him. I say he wins without the invisible,blast and stuff, but when I hear this web thing now, after people saying Spiderman stats was so much greater, that he would die in to secs, and I posted the stats, proving that is wrong. What is next now. Like seriously, Better battle you some of you guys made was in the Snake battle. Some of the same people, saying that Spiderman could beat 3 preds.
Clearly you know absolutely nothing about the Spidersense. I'm not even trying to overhype it, but there are just things you don't know about it.
Comic Proof #1. (I don't have this comic, but read it at my friend's house)
Spidey sense has gone off while he was at a fancy party when he was near two guys. They weren't doing anything dangerous. Just standing there, talking. Yet his sense went off because he knew that they are bad people. Not even dangerous people. Just evil.
Comic Proof #2.
Spidey sense has gone off when he walked by a storeroom full of Green Goblin weapons. They weren't being dangerous IN THE SLIGHTEST at the time, but just because they were evil, his spider sense was triggered.
Comic Proof #3.
The picture below. It EVEN STATES that he's not making any conscious decisions himself, just letting the spider sense do the work. Now, imagine CN sneaking up to Spidey all invisible-like. He slashes at Spidey with all he's worth, and without even trying, Spidey EASILY dodges all of the INVISIBLE slashes.
Edit: And Spiderman did all of that in the air. Now, imagine just how incredibly more difficult that is to dodge that many things firing at you at once...WITH NO LEVERAGE WHATSOEVER. Seriously, even think logically if you want, I don't mind. It makes sense either way. End Edit.
Invisibility is nothing new nor threatening to Spiderman.
And I'll say again. Spiderman could beat three Predators. Especially if he wasn't holding back. I'd say that ten Predators would kill him though.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Clearly you know absolutely nothing about the Spidersense. I'm not even trying to overhype it, but there are just things you don't know about it.Comic Proof #1. (I don't have this comic, but read it at my friend's house)
Spidey sense has gone off while he was at a fancy party when he was near two guys. They weren't doing anything dangerous. Just standing there, talking. Yet his sense went off because he knew that they are bad people. Not even dangerous people. Just evil.Comic Proof #2.
Spidey sense has gone off when he walked by a storeroom full of Green Goblin weapons. They weren't being dangerous IN THE SLIGHTEST at the time, but just because they were evil, his spider sense was triggered.Comic Proof #3.
The picture below. It EVEN STATES that he's not making any conscious decisions himself, just letting the spider sense do the work. Now, imagine CN sneaking up to Spidey all invisible-like. He slashes at Spidey with all he's worth, and without even trying, Spidey EASILY dodges all of the INVISIBLE slashes.Invisibility is nothing new nor threatening to Spiderman.
And I'll say again. Spiderman could beat three Predators. Especially if he wasn't holding back. I'd say that ten Predators would kill him though.
Either I'm seriously underating Spidey or you are seriously overrating him. I remember wolverine having his way with him in Mcfarlanes run of spidey, and I also remember an issue where wolvie actually killed spidey by jumping and catching him mid air. This wasn't even current wolverine.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Too bad the bio doesn't prove he's better than spiderman.
you mean how spidey's stats don't prove he'll beat CN?
Originally posted by Creshosk
20x peak human > 30 average human.
still with the 20x peak human thing?..hey you said it yourself:
Originally posted by Creshosk
yet to be proven.
Originally posted by Creshosk
What? Admit that CN loses to Spiderman due to inferior stats?
inferior? maybe.... barely...maybe in some aspects...but definitely not in others... like fighting ability, high-speed processed strategic patterns etc...
proffesor x has humiliatingly pathetic strength and speed stats compared to spiderman...I suppose spiderman would beat him too due to his overwhelming physicality right?
how about foreigner....a guy who's had spidey on the ropes on a few decent occasions even though he's only human?...lemme guess that was bad as well writing right?
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Either I'm seriously underating Spidey or you are seriously overrating him. I remember wolverine having his way with him in Mcfarlanes run of spidey, and I also remember an issue where wolvie actually killed spidey by jumping and catching him mid air. This wasn't even current wolverine.
Two things.
1. Check my edit. It'll just help you realize more much I'm not overrating Spiderman.
All those things did happen in his comic, the comic that we're basing Spidey off of. His Spidersense will render CN's attacks futile.
2. What the hell are you talking about? Wolverine has never killed Spiderman. Ever. Never. Ever. Not in all of eternity will it ever happen either.
And if you wanna use things like, I've seen Spiderman has his way with Wolverine in Secret Wars. And throw him through an apparently UNBREAKABLE window after Wolverine pissed him off. See how much that means now?
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Clearly you know absolutely nothing about the Spidersense. I'm not even trying to overhype it, but there are just things you don't know about it.Comic Proof #1. (I don't have this comic, but read it at my friend's house)
Spidey sense has gone off while he was at a fancy party when he was near two guys. They weren't doing anything dangerous. Just standing there, talking. Yet his sense went off because he knew that they are bad people. Not even dangerous people. Just evil.Comic Proof #2.
Spidey sense has gone off when he walked by a storeroom full of Green Goblin weapons. They weren't being dangerous IN THE SLIGHTEST at the time, but just because they were evil, his spider sense was triggered.Comic Proof #3.
The picture below. It EVEN STATES that he's not making any conscious decisions himself, just letting the spider sense do the work. Now, imagine CN sneaking up to Spidey all invisible-like. He slashes at Spidey with all he's worth, and without even trying, Spidey EASILY dodges all of the INVISIBLE slashes.Edit: And Spiderman did all of that in the air. Now, imagine just how incredibly more difficult that is to dodge that many things firing at you at once...WITH NO LEVERAGE WHATSOEVER. Seriously, even think logically if you want, I don't mind. It makes sense either way. End Edit.
Invisibility is nothing new nor threatening to Spiderman.
And I'll say again. Spiderman could beat three Predators. Especially if he wasn't holding back. I'd say that ten Predators would kill him though.
yet his spidey sense has trouble dealing with well trained fighters..as they move literally as fast as they think (i.e. iron fist)... sorry man but ONE pred's gonna give spidey a hard time if not outright kill him...3 is overkill... you must not read very much predator...bah leave that debate in THAT thread... spiderman loses this... or at the very best, gets a stalemate.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Two things.1. Check my edit. It'll just help you realize more much I'm not overrating Spiderman.
All those things did happen in his comic, the comic that we're basing Spidey off of. His Spidersense will render CN's attacks futile.
2. What the hell are you talking about? Wolverine has never killed Spiderman. Ever. Never. Ever. Not in all of eternity will it ever happen either.
And if you wanna use things like, I've seen Spiderman has his way with Wolverine in Secret Wars. And throw him through an apparently UNBREAKABLE window after Wolverine pissed him off. See how much that means now?
considering neither of those were mutually hostile fights...not much....
too bad spiderman doesn't fair too well when things get mutually hostile though.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Two things.1. Check my edit. It'll just help you realize more much I'm not overrating Spiderman.
All those things did happen in his comic, the comic that we're basing Spidey off of. His Spidersense will render CN's attacks futile.
2. What the hell are you talking about? Wolverine has never killed Spiderman. Ever. Never. Ever. Not in all of eternity will it ever happen either.
And if you wanna use things like, I've seen Spiderman has his way with Wolverine in Secret Wars. And throw him through an apparently UNBREAKABLE window after Wolverine pissed him off. See how much that means now?
Hey, it happened. Issue number? Honestly don't remember, it's been years...hell, I dont even remember why they were fighting...perhaps someone reading this will remember and post the scan. I remember becuase I'm not a wolverine fan and was shocked to see that back in the day. In case you haven't noticed, I don't exactly go around lying.
Even without that...Wolvie has put Spidey on the ropes before. If he can do it...fox can easily do it as well.
On the overall validity of bios...they don't tell the whole story or NOBODY would beat superman without kryptonite or magic.