Cyber Ninja(fox) Vs Spiderman

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I said it was a tie, if you want to go by feats, go by all means, it makes a poor argument, and spiderman wins anyway.

We've been over this. I see you do not comprehend and its your opinion. Ninja still wins.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master

I haven't done the same.

wolverine caught him when he wasn't trying to fight him, get it right.

Whats this got to do with the match, it has NOTHING to do with this forum.

Sure it does, It shows that his spider sense isnt as godly as some may try to lead others to believe.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master

Your team has said it.

Why does he win?

Where did this team crap come from? Are you that hard up for examples?
Point is... get who said what right.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master

I said water hose, and a straight bullet.

Unlimited cartridges, do you read spiderman?

This says it all, he has organic webbing.

Is it unlimited? Is it faster than a bullet? Both doubtful.
So is it a spring or a water hose? How will Spidey know where to spray against an invisible opponent? Is spidey a sharpshooter against a moving target at Ninjas speed coming at him?*Sighs*

Originally posted by Tha C-Master

He didn't defeat titania?

These guys are much tougher than CN anyways, he has ko'ed rhino who is durable, venom, he beat SS with carnage symbiote on it.

Dodged the xmen, sinister six, etc.

Thats why I hate feat wars.

Are you talking where they both fell off the building? Titania is strong, but she isnt fast or a skilled fighter. No comparison.

Fox didnt even have to dodge tons of armed, trained, and genetically enhanced
soldiers, he just went through them killing them.

Oh nevermind. I really don't want to fight/argue with members. I will try to keep the peace!!!!

alllllllllllllllllllllrighty..... lets see here...

metalman first off buddy...sorry man, but you've got some MAJOR flaws in your argument....

spiderman has tagged quicksilver? sorry I'm not familiar with this instance....but then again... I'm not surprised... let's look at a short list of other people that have done the same shall we?

people that have hit quicksilver: wolverine, captain america, gambit, and cyber....

Sorry but unfortunately dispite his speed, he's not too quick where it counts (upstairs) and makes himself predictable to read. While it's a nice feat and all...considering his record it's not nearly that impressive.

And yes spiderman beatr speed demon...but your memory serves you wrong... unfortunately for the spiderman argument, he didn't beat speedy staight up, he had major plot device help and had to wear speed demon down before he even had a chance of aquiring victory...but he didn't actually win any sort of fight whatsoever...

as for your other examples...well that's exactly why this thread and so many others involving spidey go on for as long as they do.
you see the thing is, although many of spiderman's rogues are pretty damned powerful they more often than not tend to: be complete idiots, have no formal training, not have any sort of strategic thought process (kinda parallels the idiots thing), and are usually just normal guys who got super powers one way or another.

you used green goblin as an example...which is pretty invalid for a comparison for a debate involving CN for two major reasons, first being, he's a damned loon, no matter the incarnation GG is one crazy muthafu*ka who lacks the comprehensive skills to strategically think out a fight....CN isn't crazy like that and DOES have those skills... Green goblin also lacks any formal fighting ability, he's just a damned street fighter... fighting against another street fighter who not only fights more but has a form of precognative ability. It gives spiderman a distint advantage over someone else who doesn't know how to fight, no matter how fast and strong they are. CN however has a supreme amount of fighting ability ON TOP of his enhanced stats, spiderman's spider sense won't be anywhere NEAR as impressive against CN as it would vs. GG..... there is a reason that GG was scared of having to deal with daredevil, he knew he couldn't compete with matts skills in spite of having overwhelming speed and strength factors on his side, he wanted NO PIECE.

If you wish to disagree with this asseseement that's fine and all but I ask you to consider this... if my assessment is incorrect why where GG's kids able to put up a better h2h fight than GG even though they lacked even a percentage of GG's powers and such?

(though you really don't have to answer that because I'll do it for you)...

Spiderman as has been proven on multiple occasions has an extremely frusturating and difficult time when he's dealing with very well experienced fighters. Luckly for him most of these fighters who outclass him are a good portion weaker and slower than him as most of them are ploted into the peak human category.

examples of this character trait can be seen in his fights with: captain america, wolverine, daredevil, sabretooth, punisher, the foreigner, jason macendale (before he got his super powers), fancy dan, shang chi, the taskmaster, moonknight, and the king pin. Hell even doc doom beat him to a pulp in a fist fight, as did shocker, and even sin eater secured an advantage in one of their fights.

lets not forget: the white ninja...a guy comparable to CN YET lacking (all the speed and strength-) enhancements, a vibro sword, and ranged weaponry that CN HAS...put spiderman to a complete stalemate.

now I'm not trying to make an xxxx beat xxx argument... but when you come along and say that CN has to be at flash-level speeds to even land a hit I just have to call you out on that and support why. Spiderman is not that fast..he's not anywhere CLOSE to being THAT fast. He's a fast guy who has a precognative sense that helps him sense danger but because he lacks formal training as well, he can't make the absolute best use of his powers and abilities... if spiderman was a world class fighter I would say that he's win this no problem but he's not. He's even admitted that his spider sense only acted as an equalizer to match iron fist's skills, who's for all intents and purposes a normal guy. now add on a great deal more speed and strength to that and spiderman loses whatever advantage he once had...

also it should be noted that spiderman's ability to dodge bullets is more of an ability to dodge the aim of the gun before the bullet is shot out, while he can move fast enough to literally dodge them, this is not something outside the scope of a peak human's abilities either...if you seriosuly believe that spiderman could dodge the hell out of everything CN gave him without even coming close to being touched, as that's certainly what you implied..all I can say is you're wrong...

spiderman's fast, not fast enough to dodge everything (especially from an invisable opponent).

spiderman's strong, unfortunately if he tries to capitalize on strength he gets scewered (like he almost did vs. sabretooth).

spiderman's got webbing and he'll have to get past CN's sword and arm to make use of it at all...which considering the swords vibro properties isn't likely...

CN's the better fighter, better strategist, is just as fast, is strong enough to take a spidey punch or a few of them for that matter, can turn himself invisable, and he's guaranteed a one hit kill. spiderman can't afford to make mistakes, CN can to some extent (not that he even will). He's got too many advantages over spidey here. It's not always about who's faster and stronger = victor, I thought you would have realized this by now...

Originally posted by TwisterGameX
this is xx beats xxx now. All means all.

Weapons and Abilities

Gray Fox's cybernetic armour enhances not only his strength, but his agility, speed, stamina, reaction time, durability; seemingly any human attribute up to nearly 20-30x normal human. Along with that, he sports a razor-sharp katana, possibly with vibro-blade qualities, capable of deflecting bullets and slicing through apparently any material with little resistance. In Metal Gear AC!D, his card states that this katana is in fact a High Frequency Blade. Towards the end of Metal Gear Solid when he confronts Metal Gear REX, Gray Fox's right arm is replaced with an extremely powerful directed energy weapon, seemingly an order of magnitude at least as powerful as Solid Snake's Stinger missile launcher. The text accompanying the designs for this weapon in The Art of Metal Gear Solid simply describes it as a "Laser Gun Arm".

Geater, than Spideys. This is all we are allowed to use right, but then people still say, Spidey Faster/Stronger/more skills.

All I hear is spiderman talks to roaches now. Spiderman got 10 upgardes, than his original one, by these people on here adding crapo it doesnt state, in his bio, but insist I cant do anything.

Go read a current Spiderman comic and you'll find the truth. It's still kind of a new thing. It probably hasn't made it to the internet bio just yet. But go grab a current Spiderman issue and see for yourself. We're not making this stuff up.

Look. Again, I agree with you that their speeds and reflexes are similar.

Though SM's spider sense gives him a very great edge in this fight.

What I won't agree with is that they're anywhere near the same strength.

Spiderman=30,000 lbs
Cyber Ninja=9,000-10,000 lbs (at the most).

Spiderman>>>>>>>Cyber Ninja in terms of strength.

You have yet to tell me how CN is going to counter that superior strength.

Or the Spider Sense, for that matter.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
You are welcome to your opinion. Unfortunately, seeng Ninjas feats (considering Kojima never released official stats on the guy) would show they are easily in the same class, and Ninja is a trained killer who was the best at what he did until bested by Snake (before MGS)... Spidey is a street brawler. In a realistic setting who would you put your money on?

Been stated, you haven't stated how spidey wins besides....

Actually, I gave you a pretty freakin detailed description of how I think Spiderman beats CN. Though you didn't really give it too much of a counter I noticed. You took one thing from it, instead of actually telling me why it doesn't work.

That, and because of his superhuman abilites, SM has developed his own, unique fighting style. One that CN could never do and one that he will not be prepared for.

Originally posted by TwisterGameX
The suit, makes it more than 20-30x.
He was already above peak, but now the suit.

And now who's adding to the stats?

You're going to continue until you say "he was already at Spiderman's level before the suit!"

Originally posted by TwisterGameX
Like you skipped, jinzins post, on the other page, or some of mine from before. Sorry I am speaking to like 10 of you Spidey guysat a time. Each picking up on each others post, so it will take awhile. Ofcourse no matter what happens they wouldnt dare Say Spiderman will loose, unless its him vs Superman, and even then Spidey puts up a good fight, so he looks bad.

Spiderman overated on these boards Sure i agree with Spidey winning in some of the other threads, but come on, I see him beating 520000,cap,dd,wolverine at the same time. 3 preds, outlast the hulk, and Beats Cyber Ninja. And a crap loads of others, and this was probabaly before his upgrade to 15 tons, and talking to roaches.

Spiderman became famous, so he becomes upgraded, like wolverine.

I wouldn't bring up skipping of other people's post, Twister. You've skipped over mine several times, even when I'm directing them solely towards you.

And I've read that thread over again, and no one said that Spiderman could beat the 52,000 men. Not one person. And if they did, they were clearly joking. You're just trying to use whatever you can to make us look bad.

And I've argued several times for Spiderman's defeat as well.

Especially in the curren Colossus vs. Wolverine, Spiderman, and Luke Cage. Look at that. Even two extra superheroes to aid Spidey in this battle and I still don't think he has a chance.

And there have been others as well, I just can't recall them now, for most of them are pretty old.

Spidey would never put any sort of fight up against Superman. You're just being a dick on purpose. Yes, I called you a dick. You seem to like insulting others, so we'll see how much you like it. I've tried and still am trying to be nice, but you make it so very hard.

Originally posted by TwisterGameX
1. Pmed, you to show how they dont have a mind for themselves, and have to hide behind your posts. Don't flatter yourself, in thinking any other way.

Made those therads. I asked Cresh to make ONE, and it was Wolevrine not Spiderman, so I dont know what you two are saying behind my back, but atleast say it right.

You said something about snake fanboy, and this is a Spiderman vs Cyber ninja, thread....snake is not in this match....

You can't talk without trying to insult someone, and to flatter yourself, right.

What part of sarcasm with the, flash and hulk thing you dont get. I thought you were smart right ?

Who are you talking to ? About to shut up, tearing my ass, and my grammar sucks.

Ok Spiderman Fanboy, if you must insult, to flatter yourself, then do it else where.

Yea, we're totally hiding behind C-Master's posts. How did you find out? Oh man, our secret's out now

Yea. That's it. Even though I was totally posting before he even joined both this and the Snake vs. Spiderman thread. I guess you just figured we were hiding behind his posts cuz you didn't cry when you read his for some reason.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Yea, we're totally hiding behind C-Master's posts. How did you find out? Oh man, our secret's out now

Yea. That's it. Even though I was totally posting before he even joined both this and the Snake vs. Spiderman thread. I guess you just figured we were hiding behind his posts cuz you didn't cry when you read his for some reason.

Originally posted by TwisterGameX
I asked Cresh to make ONE, and it was Wolevrine not Spiderman

how about this, fox makes pancakes out of the incoming webbing while it hasnt even left spidey's webshooters, then continues to make spagheti out of spidey before his spidersense can even come into play.

Originally posted by TwisterGameX
1. Pmed, you to show how they dont have a mind for themselves, and have to hide behind your posts. Don't flatter yourself, in thinking any other way.

I have no need to, its quite obvious you didn't want me to post here, and everyone an their dad can see I've been tearing your ass up.

Not once have you had a premise or anything, no argument, nothing.

You just sit here and complain. Its quite sad really.

"Before you jump in the Spiderman Vs snake and any others i am facing Metal x in, just dont for a while. he hides behind you. He hates me and called me dense but, he knows shit about Snake. You know stuff but he already saying everyone Snake fights looses because he a regular human."

"So go to the video game topic in the mean time and check next gen consoles"

"With out you, they are a sack of shit. Look right are wrong, that metal guy knows nothing about snake really, so he is one minded to begin with in the debate. If the person is right that he sides with then thats a bonus. When you say something since you know more than him then he goes..yeahh and uses it as his own. Cresh is ok but still shaky."

Right from his own mouth ladies and gents.

Originally posted by TwisterGameX
Made those therads. I asked Cresh to make ONE, and it was Wolevrine not Spiderman, so I dont know what you two are saying behind my back, but atleast say it right.

I say what I want when I want, I was talking to him about the next gen consoles, and that just came up.

Don't flatter yourself to thinking we care about you this much.

Originally posted by TwisterGameX
You said something about snake fanboy, and this is a Spiderman vs Cyber ninja, thread....snake is not in this match....

You are a metalgear solid fanboy, stupid.

You make the threads, and support them not knowing the characters, using one sided arguments.

So again, you are a metal gear fanboy, you just like snake the most.

Originally posted by TwisterGameX
You can't talk without trying to insult someone, and to flatter yourself, right.

I can't talk to dense people, or fanboys, or people being frustrating on purpose.

I've had intelligent debates with intelligent people, many times, and you ARE NOT one of them, by a longshot.

You try to be sarcastic ALOT, and think just because I make you look stupid, that I'm the one being the ass.

Insults in their passive form are no less.

Flatter myself, who do I need the opinion of, a newb? A fanboy? An idiot?

Because you fall under ALL of those categories.

Originally posted by TwisterGameX
What part of sarcasm with the, flash and hulk thing you dont get. I thought you were smart right ?

I KNOW you aren't and by saying this you just contradicted your own post, its OKAY FOR YOU, to be a smartass, but noone else.

I'll just cut to the chase.

sentence
stop
your friend.

Originally posted by TwisterGameX
Who are you talking to ? About to shut up, tearing my ass, and my grammar sucks.

you.

Originally posted by TwisterGameX
Ok Spiderman Fanboy, if you must insult, to flatter yourself, then do it else where.

spiderman fanboy, because of a sweater.

Guys I DRIVE TOYOTA, I'M A TOYOTA FANBOY!!!

I PLAY YAMAHA, I'M A YAMAHA FANBOY!!!!

I HAVE WINDOWS 98, I'M A WINDOWS FANBOY!!!

I judge by arguments, and yours tend to suck...
I do what I want where I want to do it, you want to come on here and talk shit, I'm WELL in my boundaries to respond.

I'm patient, but one thing I don't do is back down, not from you or noone.

You called me and creshosk gay, you made fun of metalman, many, many times.

Did I ***** about it? NO.

Did I own you? Yes.

And it felt good.

I hope you learned your lesson.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
We've been over this. I see you do not comprehend and its your opinion. Ninja still wins.

You've been over it, but you say the same thing, therefore contributing nothing to the argument.

I see you are having troubles here.

You asked me who I would bet on, and I said its a tie.

Follow my breadcrumbs here...

[QUOTE=5003721]Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
[B]Sure it does, It shows that his spider sense isnt as godly as some may try to lead others to believe.

Flash got hit by batman, it leads us to believe he's not that fast.

Stop trying to use ONE feat that supports your argument please, because you seem to know little about spiderman.

What part of the situation did you not understand?

Do you not understand that spiderman can ignore his spidersense?

I'm just going to scratch no for that one.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Where did this team crap come from? Are you that hard up for examples?
Point is... get who said what right.

Did I say Avalonofthewind said this, I did not, so you cannot point it out for me.

I said all I hear is......

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Is it unlimited?

Yes, this proves in itself that you know little of the character.

[QUOTE=5003721]Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
[B]Is it faster than a bullet?

That isn't the point again.

Is water from a firehose faster than a bullet? No.

Is it harder to dodge and parry? Yes.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Both doubtful.

Read above, because you seem to know little about the RULES and the CHARACTER.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
So is it a spring or a water hose?

It could be a damn flamethrower, the point remains.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
How will Spidey know where to spray against an invisible opponent?

Invisibility is NOT a factor in this matchup, showing you know little about spiderman.

He can win many fights blindfolded.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Is spidey a sharpshooter against a moving target at Ninjas speed coming at him?*Sighs*

You really should stop mirroring my posts if you don't even sound knowledgeable.

Again, follow the breadcrumbs this time.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Are you talking where they both fell off the building? Titania is strong, but she isnt fast or a skilled fighter. No comparison.

Namor, did you miss my other examples.

They aren't in this fight anyway, I don't know how you debate, but how is the opposing side winning?

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Fox didnt even have to dodge tons of armed, trained, and genetically enhanced
soldiers, he just went through them killing them.

IS this pertaining to spiderman, no?

Can we stop using cinetmatics, yes?

Because guess what, I could say snake beat cyber ninja, right?

Tearing my ass. Oh please, man.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
I wouldn't bring up skipping of other people's post, Twister. You've skipped over mine several times, even when I'm directing them solely towards you.

And I've read that thread over again, and no one said that Spiderman could beat the 52,000 men. Not one person. And if they did, they were clearly joking. You're just trying to use whatever you can to make us look bad.

And I've argued several times for Spiderman's defeat as well.

Especially in the curren Colossus vs. Wolverine, Spiderman, and Luke Cage. Look at that. Even two extra superheroes to aid Spidey in this battle and I still don't think he has a chance.

And there have been others as well, I just can't recall them now, for most of them are pretty old.

Spidey would never put any sort of fight up against Superman. You're just being a dick on purpose. Yes, I called you a dick. You seem to like insulting others, so we'll see how much you like it. I've tried and still am trying to be nice, but you make it so very hard.

He brought it up......and I skipped yours because you started to insult me.....

Originally posted by TwisterGameX
Tearing my ass. Oh please, man.

Originally posted by TwisterGameX
He brought it up......and I skipped yours because you started to insult me.....

You insult more than anyone hear, and try to flatter yourself to death. The others don't do that. Metal insults like every once in awhile, and he says sorry for it, and everything is good for a while. You, just insult or try to look Superior. Can not debate with you, because you have it in your head, that you aretearing peoples ass, and people are not smart among other things. Never met anyone so, full of themselves. Now I could experiment my ignore list. You sart this first. Well, now I see your true colors, and what you were really thinking this whole time, just so you could sleep at night. Well I will only be debating with Metal, and even Cresh haas more respect, and don't have a big head. You could, reply to this, and to all my posts, even after I put you on ignore, just so you could feed your ego.

Originally posted by TwisterGameX
You insult more than anyone hear, and try to flatter yourself to death.

I insult more than anyone here? Is that why you were making fun of me and creshosk in pm's, and then apoligizing about it?

Is that why you dug up old threads, to make fun of creshosk, or troll in other threads, trying to insult other characters.

Originally posted by TwisterGameX
The others don't do that. Metal insults like every once in awhile, and he says sorry for it, and everything is good for a while.

I apologized for coming off harsh, but I got quite sick of you and your little games, you thinking you are smart, and trying to get a point across to make yourself feel better.

MMX hasn't even insulted you, you think just because someone brings up your shitty grammar and you correcting it, that its an insult.

Originally posted by TwisterGameX
You, just insult or try to look Superior.

You do it to make yourself feel better, because you've gotten that ass owned in a debate.

Originally posted by TwisterGameX
Can not debate with you, because you have it in your head, that you aretearing peoples ass, and people are not smart among other things.

You CAN'T debate, thats the difference, you think you do but you don't.

Your debating involves dragging shit off topic so long, that I got to go back twenty pages to look like I was having an argument.

You are slow as hell to pick up on things, you are inexperienced, and as dense as a white dwarf star.

YOU aren't smart, that doesn't mean everyone else isn't, get it right.

Originally posted by TwisterGameX
Never met anyone so, full of themselves.

I never met anyone who likes to dish out insults, but whines like a baby.

A person who talks shit, but can't back it up.

A person who tries to dig up stuff to look good, because they are losing the factual debate.

Just because I make you look INFERIOR, doesn't mean I have a superiority complex that comes off overbearingly, and if it does, TO YOU, then tough luck, because I hate fanboys, and I like doing it for their own good.

Originally posted by TwisterGameX
Now I could experiment my ignore list. You sart this first. Well, now I see your true colors, and what you were really thinking this whole time, just so you could sleep at night.

"sart"

Take an english class please.

I was actually thinking about my computer catching a virus, and getting some, and idiot over the internet wasn't on my list.

😆

Get laid.

Oh wait, YOU'RE twelve.

Originally posted by TwisterGameX
Well I will only be debating with Metal, and even Cresh haas more respect, and don't have a big head.

You CAN'T debate, you are a laughing stock, don't you see how good it feels, I was only curing you.

Dr. C-Master style.

Originally posted by TwisterGameX
You could, reply to this, and to all my posts, even after I put you on ignore, just so you could feed your ego.

Feed my ego, thats what I'm doing, no I'm answering your shit talk, you need to read a book, to feed up on your comprehension skills.

For crying out loud you are unbelievably dense.

Just mad because I took that ass to the bank and cashed a check, join the club.

The C-Hater club, do you want that shirt in small or large?

Originally posted by jinzin
alllllllllllllllllllllrighty..... lets see here...

metalman first off buddy...sorry man, but you've got some MAJOR flaws in your argument....

spiderman has tagged quicksilver? sorry I'm not familiar with this instance....but then again... I'm not surprised... let's look at a short list of other people that have done the same shall we?

people that have hit quicksilver: wolverine, captain america, gambit, and cyber....

Sorry but unfortunately dispite his speed, he's not too quick where it counts (upstairs) and makes himself predictable to read. While it's a nice feat and all...considering his record it's not nearly that impressive.

And yes spiderman beatr speed demon...but your memory serves you wrong... unfortunately for the spiderman argument, he didn't beat speedy staight up, he had major plot device help and had to wear speed demon down before he even had a chance of aquiring victory...but he didn't actually win any sort of fight whatsoever...

as for your other examples...well that's exactly why this thread and so many others involving spidey go on for as long as they do.
you see the thing is, although many of spiderman's rogues are pretty damned powerful they more often than not tend to: be complete idiots, have no formal training, not have any sort of strategic thought process (kinda parallels the idiots thing), and are usually just normal guys who got super powers one way or another.

you used green goblin as an example...which is pretty invalid for a comparison for a debate involving CN for two major reasons, first being, he's a damned loon, no matter the incarnation GG is one crazy muthafu*ka who lacks the comprehensive skills to strategically think out a fight....CN isn't crazy like that and DOES have those skills... Green goblin also lacks any formal fighting ability, he's just a damned street fighter... fighting against another street fighter who not only fights more but has a form of precognative ability. It gives spiderman a distint advantage over someone else who doesn't know how to fight, no matter how fast and strong they are. CN however has a supreme amount of fighting ability ON TOP of his enhanced stats, spiderman's spider sense won't be anywhere NEAR as impressive against CN as it would vs. GG..... there is a reason that GG was scared of having to deal with daredevil, he knew he couldn't compete with matts skills in spite of having overwhelming speed and strength factors on his side, he wanted NO PIECE.

If you wish to disagree with this asseseement that's fine and all but I ask you to consider this... if my assessment is incorrect why where GG's kids able to put up a better h2h fight than GG even though they lacked even a percentage of GG's powers and such?

(though you really don't have to answer that because I'll do it for you)...

Spiderman as has been proven on multiple occasions has an extremely frusturating and difficult time when he's dealing with very well experienced fighters. Luckly for him most of these fighters who outclass him are a good portion weaker and slower than him as most of them are ploted into the peak human category.

examples of this character trait can be seen in his fights with: captain america, wolverine, daredevil, sabretooth, punisher, the foreigner, jason macendale (before he got his super powers), fancy dan, shang chi, the taskmaster, moonknight, and the king pin. Hell even doc doom beat him to a pulp in a fist fight, as did shocker, and even sin eater secured an advantage in one of their fights.

lets not forget: the white ninja...a guy comparable to CN YET lacking (all the speed and strength-) enhancements, a vibro sword, and ranged weaponry that CN HAS...put spiderman to a complete stalemate.

now I'm not trying to make an xxxx beat xxx argument... but when you come along and say that CN has to be at flash-level speeds to even land a hit I just have to call you out on that and support why. Spiderman is not that fast..he's not anywhere CLOSE to being THAT fast. He's a fast guy who has a precognative sense that helps him sense danger but because he lacks formal training as well, he can't make the absolute best use of his powers and abilities... if spiderman was a world class fighter I would say that he's win this no problem but he's not. He's even admitted that his spider sense only acted as an equalizer to match iron fist's skills, who's for all intents and purposes a normal guy. now add on a great deal more speed and strength to that and spiderman loses whatever advantage he once had...

also it should be noted that spiderman's ability to dodge bullets is more of an ability to dodge the aim of the gun before the bullet is shot out, while he can move fast enough to literally dodge them, this is not something outside the scope of a peak human's abilities either...if you seriosuly believe that spiderman could dodge the hell out of everything CN gave him without even coming close to being touched, as that's certainly what you implied..all I can say is you're wrong...

spiderman's fast, not fast enough to dodge everything (especially from an invisable opponent).

spiderman's strong, unfortunately if he tries to capitalize on strength he gets scewered (like he almost did vs. sabretooth).

spiderman's got webbing and he'll have to get past CN's sword and arm to make use of it at all...which considering the swords vibro properties isn't likely...

CN's the better fighter, better strategist, is just as fast, is strong enough to take a spidey punch or a few of them for that matter, can turn himself invisable, and he's guaranteed a one hit kill. spiderman can't afford to make mistakes, CN can to some extent (not that he even will). He's got too many advantages over spidey here. It's not always about who's faster and stronger = victor, I thought you would have realized this by now...

It's okay if you don't know it. Spidey did tag and defeated Quicksilver. Who should make Spidey look like he's a statue compared to his speed. But Spidey did anyway. Using a combination of spider sense, reflexes, and just resourcefulness.

And while I do agree that they don't give Quicksilver the greastest record, it's because he's a bad guy. I know it sounds cliche, but that's really the reason. And not a main character either, like Magneto. He's supposed to go down to these characters. I'm not saying I agree with it, but it's gonna happen. QS did have his own comic for awhile. I never picked it up, though I assume it portrayed him very well.

I know exactly what arc you speak of when you mention GG's kids. I've read the entire arc. Pretty freakin good comics if you ask me.

First off, I don't know where you got this "fraction of his power" stuff. They were each as strong as him if I recall correctly. Plus, they had several years of formal training (which I am agreeing with). And, even though this usually helps Spidey in most instances, there were two of them. Two fighters that were basically his equals in terms of strength, speed, and reflexes. And yes, they gave him a crapload of trouble. I agree completely. But he did prove his worth when they were actually fighting. He was able to either incapacitate them to allow him to escape (he wasn't in his costume and didn't want to risk being seen), and the other times he held his own against these two.

I'd say Spidey performed very well against these two.

One I don't recall is Shocker apparently beating the hell out of Spidey hand to hand. Was Spiderman asleep? In a coma? Seriously, I know I joke, but I'm really curious. How the hell could that happen?

Also curious: When did the White Ninja thing happen again? Really, like...what year I mean? I don't remember.

And some of the other people you mentioned actually do have quite handy powers that Spidey must deal with. You make it sound like these are random hobos off the street that are beating Spidey.

And I'm not the one who ever mentioned webbing the sword. In fact, I avoided saying that on purpose. I only believe that CN would be easily webb-able, especially up close since that's where this fight will take place.

I'm not denying that CN is the much better fighter. You won't hear a counter from me on that part. But I do believe that Spidey still has what it takes to dodge CN's attacks, as he has proven himself time and time before to be able to dodge people from his speed range up to Quicksilver's.

And I don't know where you get this one-hit-kill thing from? So if CN just grazes SM's arm with the sword, Spidey's dead? If he gets a slash across the chest, is SM down for good?

Not at all.

Well, I hear in here, and other places, that Spiderman just needs one good punch to win. Like really, do you believe that ?